Or even $25 million.Most people would accept identical damage to other knees for a mere 100 million.
That isn't how any of this works.As many have said correctly this is a business. However, this doesn’t impede Pedroia to have dignity and be intelligent, which I’m sure he and the owners are.
Pedroia acts like Dempster and he agrees with Henry that those 25M would be paid to him for his “advice” in whatever. MLBPA can’t say anything because he “retired”, Pedroia continues to be a beloved Sox forever, and the luxury tax is avoided.
Comprenden amigos?
Not what I said. But the team seems to be viewing this as a hard cap and doesn't want to give up the positioningYes, 10 spots lower for a pick that has a small chance of success to begin with. You want Pedroia to donate millions of dollars to John Henry to avoid that?
It does seem to explain those dozens of mlb players who just last year retired early and gave up salary. Amazing none of us picked up on that until you did.Of course all businesses work like that in today’s world (who’s being naive Kay?) and of course all of us “insiders” will never know.
That’s the team’s choice. Not sure why it should factor into Pedroia’s decision to forego millions of dollars he’s entitled to.Not what I said. But the team seems to be viewing this as a hard cap and doesn't want to give up the positioning
So how does that work? It seems like retired players get jobs with their old teams all the time. Is it only the fact that he would be retiring with money left on his contract that would prevent the Sox from hiring him for an FO job? Or would there have to be some kind of waiting period? Or is it the fact that they'd be paying him much more than the normal salary for a job of that kind?That would be great, it would also be a violation of the CBA and would never be allowed.
They can't agree to a buy out?It seems some people don’t understand the only way the Sox are getting relief is if Pedey retires and walks away from the rest of the money he is owed. It is unrealistic and unfair for anyone to expect him to do that.
A buy out probably still counts against the luxury tax where a retirement would not.They can't agree to a buy out?
There are players that don't have some type of a position with their club after retirement and we have no idea what Pedroia wants to do. He doesn't need the money and, as I posted before, he has young children. If I was him, I would love becoming a soccer mom after so many years of being away. ASU is only 25 minutes away so he could also do some coaching like Tony Gwynn did.So how does that work? It seems like retired players get jobs with their old teams all the time. Is it only the fact that he would be retiring with money left on his contract that would prevent the Sox from hiring him for an FO job? Or would there have to be some kind of waiting period? Or is it the fact that they'd be paying him much more than the normal salary for a job of that kind?
Why are you assuming this token job requires him to be anywhere but at home with his kids if that's where he wants to be? I think most people are suggesting this "job" as a gesture of appreciation by the team if he chooses to retire with money on the table, not as enticement to do so.Why do people assume Pedroia would be excited about some token job in Boston's FO?
Is it common for teams to engage in what amounts to no-show fraudulent employment practices to circumvent the CBA? These are huge businesses. It would surprise me to learn that this is a real thing.Why are you assuming this token job requires him to be anywhere but at home with his kids if that's where he wants to be? I think most people are suggesting this "job" as a gesture of appreciation by the team if he chooses to retire with money on the table, not as enticement to do so.
For Pedroia to be kept "whole", he would be receiving a million dollar check in the mail every month. That's pretty good pay for a stay at home dad.Why are you assuming this token job requires him to be anywhere but at home with his kids if that's where he wants to be? I think most people are suggesting this "job" as a gesture of appreciation by the team if he chooses to retire with money on the table, not as enticement to do so.
Of course it isn't.Is it common for teams to engage in what amounts to no-show fraudulent employment practices to circumvent the CBA? These are huge businesses. It would surprise me to learn that this is a real thing.
No one's suggesting that. Why can't it be something along the lines of whatever money he is giving up, paid with interest for the rest of his life to be a "consultant" and make a few appearances a year at spring training or in the Legends box at Fenway?For Pedroia to be kept "whole", he would be receiving a million dollar check in the mail every month. That's pretty good pay for a stay at home dad.
What you're suggesting is some type of restructuring of his contract. Based on my research, the rules are pretty vague, but it appears a restructure or buyout has to result in the same NPV to Pedroia. Whether or not they give him a ridiculously overpaid job is irrelevant to any agreement they reach regarding the contract.No one's suggesting that. Why can't it be something along the lines of whatever money he is giving up, paid with interest for the rest of his life to be a "consultant" and make a few appearances a year at spring training or in the Legends box at Fenway?
Gray Eagle brought up David Wright. He and the Mets agreed to something along those lines, though he didn't retire, he was released (so his salary counts for the Mets who are no where near in danger of paying luxury taxes). He deferred a bunch of his 2019 salary and took a "special assistant" job with the team. Of course, his contract already had a boatload of deferred money from his 2012-2018 salaries, so it wasn't a leap for him to defer some more.
But isn't the only reason that anyone cares about the money with Pedroia because of the Sox being right up against the Luxury Tax cap? No one cares about the dollars otherwise. The David Wright scenario doesn't being applied to Pedroia doesn't help at all for luxury tax calculations. It did help the Mets with a 40 man roster crunch during the offseasons, and they saved about $6M in up front money for their payroll that was deferred, but that's inconsequential when skirting the luxury tax is the real issue.No one's suggesting that. Why can't it be something along the lines of whatever money he is giving up, paid with interest for the rest of his life to be a "consultant" and make a few appearances a year at spring training or in the Legends box at Fenway?
Gray Eagle brought up David Wright. He and the Mets agreed to something along those lines, though he didn't retire, he was released (so his salary counts for the Mets who are no where near in danger of paying luxury taxes). He deferred a bunch of his 2019 salary and took a "special assistant" job with the team. Of course, his contract already had a boatload of deferred money from his 2012-2018 salaries, so it wasn't a leap for him to defer some more.
Assuming Pedroia is cleared to play by the docs and says he's good to go, I think the only way he doesn't get regular playing time at this point is if Chavis makes it impossible for the team to send him down (and as exciting as his HRs have been, he's not there yet). Otherwise, they're going to give Pedey every opportunity to be a contributor. And Nunez and Holt will be the utility guys they were expected to be at the start of the year, and Chavis and Lin will be the depth stashed in AAA.What exactly is the plan here with all these guys? Can this team- with the start they've had- really roster Pedroia and give him ABs? We're looking right down the barrel of having a 7 - 9 of Pedroia, Vaz, JBJ. Not great.
If I had to guess, both Pedey and Eduardo come back up, Chavis and Lin go back down, and they see if either of the starters has anything to offer for a few weeks. If they get hurt again, it's a pretty easy thing to throw them back on the IL. If they are awful, they can at least DFA Núñez and bring one of the two backups back up to get playing time at the position for as long as is needed. If they decide to throw the towel in on the season, I think Núñez still gets DFA'd and either Chavis or Lin becomes the starting 2B or part of a platoon with Pedroia if he can play in the field for a couple games a week.I don't want to see either come up until they start hitting consistently. But I fear we'll be treated to MLB rehab.
This is something that won't be happening.Devers isn’t hitting for power and has been atrocious on defense. They should look at sending him down.
His walk rate is way up. His strikeout rate is way down. His hard-hit rate is up. His launch angles were very low early in the season, but are trending up as he's getting more balls in the air in the last week or two.Devers isn’t hitting for power and has been atrocious on defense. They should look at sending him down.
2018: .240/.298/.433, 7.8% BB rate, 24.7% K rate in 490 PA.Devers isn’t hitting for power and has been atrocious on defense. They should look at sending him down.
I was at the game yesterday. Three roll-over grounders to the left side, one that the SS booted, and a K. Had a bulky brace on the knee and was not all that quick out of the box or down the line. He reached on the ball the SS booted, but I think if the SS had corralled the ball in front of him rather than kicking it away toward CF, he might have had a chance to throw Pedey out despite the bobble. Nothing all that encouraging, to be honest.Pedroia is 4 / 16 so far on his rehab. All singles. 2K/0BB. His 10 days are up on Sunday.
I think the duration of a rehab assignment is up to 20 days (not 10) per Article XiX, Section C3 of the CBA (it's up to 30 days for pitchers).Pedroia is 4 / 16 so far on his rehab. All singles. 2K/0BB. His 10 days are up on Sunday.
The Red Sox on Monday returned second baseman Dustin Pedroia from his injury rehabilitation assignment with Double A Portland for what was termed “minor” soreness in his left knee.
His contract is guaranteed and he's currently not taking up a roster space they need. So there's no harm in letting him keep trying. But there's very little reason for optimism.
PeteAbe suggests that the latest shutdown of Pedroia is about resetting the clock more than anything. Plausible but it's hard to get past the fact that he has yet to last more than a week getting even semi-regular playing time without having soreness, swelling, or discomfort. Just doesn't bode well at all.