Pedroia Predictions

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Sean McAdam‏ @Sean_McAdam 10m10 minutes ago
Pedroia said pain was bad in last game for Pawtucket and knee “not allowing me to play every day.”
Ian Browne‏Verified account @IanMBrowne 10m10 minutes ago
Dustin Pedroia, "The last game I played, the pain was kind of to the point I had to tell the trainer I had to come out. It was a tough day. Next day, I woke up and it wasn't any better. It's too a point now where my knee is not allowing me to play every day.

Ian Browne‏Verified account @IanMBrowne 9m9 minutes ago
"I'm at a point right now where I need some time. That's what my status is." -- Pedroia.

Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 10m10 minutes ago
Pedroia on if he will play again: “I’m not sure.”

Chris Mason‏Verified account @ByChrisMason 10m10 minutes ago
Pedroia: “I’m at a point right now where I need some time... I’m not thinking about having surgery.”

Jen McCaffrey‏Verified account @jcmccaffrey 9m9 minutes ago
Pedroia: I need some time. Not sure he’ll be able to play again but he’s not thinking of another surgery. Pain was to a point where told the trainer had to come out of game this weekend. Next day woke up and wasnt better. Knee is not allowing him to play every day.

Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 8m8 minutes ago
Pedroia: “Some days I feel fine and then an hour later walking is tough.” “I think the time will give me the right answer if we can do this.”
Ian Browne‏Verified account @IanMBrowne 9m9 minutes ago
"Some days, I feel fine, and an hour later, walking is tough. If I'm on an hour to hour basis of being able to do anything athletically, that's tough. I think the time will give me the right answer of if I can do this." -- Pedroia.

Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 8m8 minutes ago
Pedroia: “Time will go on and I’ll know more about it. I haven’t sat down and thought about retirement. I just now that right now I need a break from the everyday stresses and dealing what I’m dealing with.”
Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 11m11 minutes ago
Pedroia doesn’t want to have surgery again. Says recommended surgery would affect quality of life.

Chris Cotillo‏Verified account @ChrisCotillo 3m3 minutes ago
Pedroia: “My knee will never heal. We’re taking the time right now to find out if I can play again.”
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Jen McCaffrey‏Verified account @jcmccaffrey 8m8 minutes ago
It sounds like Pedroia has been trying so hard to come back, retirement was a last resort. Now that it’s more of a reality, they’re giving him time to come to terms with it
 

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I hate to be the voice of medical pessimism here... but he’s done. All the rest in the world isn’t going to make his knee better. He went the surgical route and it didn’t work well enough for him. He’ll likely end up with more surgery at some point, but it will be to allow him to live his day to day life with less pain, not to return as a functioning MLB player
 

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I hate to be the voice of medical pessimism here... but he’s done. All the rest in the world isn’t going to make his knee better. He went the surgical route and it didn’t work well enough for him. He’ll likely end up with more surgery at some point, but it will be to allow him to live his day to day life with less pain, not to return as a functioning MLB player
Knee replacement?
 

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If by Memorial Day 2020, Dustin Pedroia sees one inning at second, I’ll donate 500 to Jimmy Fund, if not, you donate?
I don't think anyone is saying he is coming back from this. They are just talking about the process.

None of your 3 options had any chance of happening. The only path forward is what they have done.
 

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I don't think anyone is saying he is coming back from this. They are just talking about the process.

None of your 3 options had any chance of happening. The only path forward is what they have done.
Good luck getting through
 

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If by Memorial Day 2020, Dustin Pedroia sees one inning at second, I’ll donate 500 to Jimmy Fund, if not, you donate?
Since you put this out there, I'll respond: No, I won't take a bet over a point on which we agree.

That you still don't understand what you were mocked over, I'm done discussing it. Send a PM if you want.
 

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The bolded seems confused to me. The fact that their payroll is as big as it is not only doesn't make the $13.75M less significant, it's the reason why it's significant (see David Wright comments above). The number that matters, in terms of evaluating how much a useless-but-still-on-the-books Pedroia hurts the team, is not their payroll, but how much value $13.75M buys.
Obviously 13.75 matters. But less to the Red Sox than the Twins. That's all.
 

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One of the best to ever wear the uniform. An absolute HOF lock who had the second half of his career taken from him. (Injuries in general, not solely Machadogate, but it was the straw that broke the back)

This sucks.
 

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Doctors won’t want to do that until he’s 65. I’m not an orthopedic surgeon. I just stayed at the Holiday Inn last night.
Yes, I was wondering about total knee replacement. I'm one of the 15% who didn't have a great outcome, but even for me, it made the pain less acute. I don't think he'll wait until he's 65, but it does seem it will just be for daily living, not for the extreme motions required to play baseball. I am so sad for him.
 

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Haven't seen this mentioned in the thread - apologies if I missed it: Pedroia's contract reportedly is not insured.


I believe that means that they have zero reason to encourage him to do anything other than wait it out.
 

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He's going to "rehab" for the next couple seasons, collect his paycheck, and ride off into the sunset (or into coaching, if he so desires.)

And he deserves every cent coming to him.
 

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He's going to "rehab" for the next couple seasons, collect his paycheck, and ride off into the sunset (or into coaching, if he so desires.)

And he deserves every cent coming to him.
He does but I'm curious if they end up giving him the Rusney treatment in order to free up room under the tax. Possible? No? Team needs help and 13.5 would help quite a bit.
 

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The loophole they've taken advantage of to get Rusney's salary off the books has been closed.
They aren't getting that money off the books.
 

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The Rusney loophole would have never applied to Pedroia anyway. He has like 12.5 years of service time, so between that suggestion and the Mike Scioscia idea it seems like everyone is right on the ball with their suggestions.
 

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I hope they don't need him to rehab, since he seems in lots of pain.
Any actual rehab he does, on or off the field, will be 100% his choice. The team will never "need" him to do anything. If he doesn't ever try to attempt to comeback to the field again, he will be placed on the 60-day IL each spring and left there for the year. The only potential spot where the team might need to do more is in the off-season when players on the 60-day IL have to be added back to the 40-man for the winter. If they need his spot then (to protect a Rule 5 eligible prospect or to sign a free agent), they may have to consider releasing him outright.
 

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Any actual rehab he does, on or off the field, will be 100% his choice. The team will never "need" him to do anything. If he doesn't ever try to attempt to comeback to the field again, he will be placed on the 60-day IL each spring and left there for the year. The only potential spot where the team might need to do more is in the off-season when players on the 60-day IL have to be added back to the 40-man for the winter. If they need his spot then (to protect a Rule 5 eligible prospect or to sign a free agent), they may have to consider releasing him outright.
And I don’t think any guy that is in competition for the 40th roster spot to prevent loss in the rule 5 draft is nearly as valuable to keep with doing that to Pedroia as collateral damage
 

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If he's never going to play again, what's the damage of releasing Pedroia? I don't want him clogging up a spot someone of even marginal utility could occupy.
 

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Not sure that’s true. They told me I’d need a knee replacement by 40. (I turn 40 on Saturday so there’s still time).
I just sit through depos with orthopedic surgeons so take it FWIW. I’ve heard multiple say they will do everything possible to avoid doing a knee replacement before 65. The reason being they last for about 15 years. Of course every case is different but I think that’s the general consensus.

They will do injections and partial replacements. I know nothing other than what I’ve heard multiple surgeons in the Connecticut river valley say.
 

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If he's never going to play again, what's the damage of releasing Pedroia? I don't want him clogging up a spot someone of even marginal utility could occupy.
As I said before, he's only actually clogging up a spot during the off-season, and typically teams don't carry a full 40-man roster at that time anyway...expressly for the purposes of adding free agents or rule 5 eligibles.

My guess is that if Pedroia comes to the conclusion that he is truly finished and the team wants to free up the roster spot, they'll work something out along the lines of what the Mets did with David Wright. They'll give him a chance to say goodbye (activate him for the last game of the year, let him take a token AB for a hat-tip and an ovation, then remove him), maybe negotiate a buy-out (where he gets all his money but perhaps spread out over more years with interest), then quietly release him in the off-season.
 

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It is truly humbling to hear Dustin Pedroia, after everything he's done and the way he's carried himself the past 15 years, say "I might not play again."

Getting old sucks.
 

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It is truly humbling to hear Dustin Pedroia, after everything he's done and the way he's carried himself the past 15 years, say "I might not play again."

Getting old sucks.
Our birthdays are one week apart. Or twenty years apart. Depending on how you look at it.
 

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I just sit through depos with orthopedic surgeons so take it FWIW. I’ve heard multiple say they will do everything possible to avoid doing a knee replacement before 65. The reason being they last for about 15 years. Of course every case is different but I think that’s the general consensus.

They will do injections and partial replacements. I know nothing other than what I’ve heard multiple surgeons in the Connecticut river valley say.
My Dr. said that there is a preference to hold off as long as you might be able to citing the approximate 15 year expectancy of the joint. Other considerations are lifestyle and expectations of the new joint after replacement, however the level of pain that a person has to endure on a daily basis will ultimately dictate the right time for any procedure.
 

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I still think he stays on the 60 day IL and acts as another coach on the bench. The 40 man roster in the off season could prevent it.
 

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This goes alongside Nomar as a guy that I’ve loved watching play for so long not getting the ending that he deserved. It seems clear that Pedroia’s playing days are likely behind him.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sox either buy out his contract or hire him as a consultant/coach so he can collect the rest of his money.

Pedroia loves baseball too much to just retire, so I look forward to him becoming the Johnny Pesky of our generation.
 

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Not takings sides here, but one thing not mentioned in this school bus driver scenario is that is that it's a part time gig. Three hours a day maybe for most?

Back to the intention of the thread...Chavis is going nowhere. If/when Pedroia returns it's likely the end of the road for Nunez with Chavis and Pedroia splitting time at second and Chavis picking up additional ABs spelling guys at other positions.
In our district, anyway, they have a variety of inspection and cleaning duties, plus driving to sports/etc events and they get full bennies with 32 hours a week. But they only work 42 weeks, I think.

Benefits carry through.
 

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From an outsider’s perspective, Pedey always played the game the right way, and respected not only the game but his opponents, too. His love for baseball shined through. While Robbie Cano was the better hitter, and more natural talent, Pedey in his short prime was the more winning player. He did little things in the field that impacted outcomes.
It is a bit ironic that Cano has come under fire with the Mets several times this month for not hustling, just as Pedey makes an implicit farewell to his playing career. Cano’s career and his prime lasted longer because he rarely dove for balls, or stretched out running the bases. Pedey can retire knowing he gave everything he had.
Pedey’s career stands on its own merits. He was a throwback player who would have fit into the game in any era. Ty Cobb would have loved spiking Pedey!
 

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The most likely outcome is that Pedroia spends the remainder of this season and next on the 60-day IL. It is possible that at some point the team could approach Pedroia during the 2020-21 offseason and say "You've earned the right to go out on your terms. However, we do need the 40-man roster spot this offseason, so we will need to designate you for assignment while paying out the rest of your contract". If Pedroia has zero at-bats between no and then, he'll probably go along (not that he would have much choice).

There is no way, no how the Sox get any payroll relief, nor should they. Such is life as the owner of a professional sports franchise; athletes do get hurt.
 

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My lasting memory will be his diving play to save the Buchholz no hitter and the subsequent "Fuck Yeah" that followed
 

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I know it won't happen. But what's the wording in the CBA? That is....suppose Pedroia retires (I know he's not going to give up the money but just work with the thought experiment) and they hire him several years later at an abnormally high salary. How much time needs to go by before the CBA doesn't really have any impact on this? How high is too high a salary?

I mean, Mike Scioscia - a former player - is among the highest paid managers at $6 million. Obviously he's been getting paid a long time before now. But what is the time frame and salary structure such that the Angels paying him this kind of money isn't a violation of the CBA?
The actual language is here; G(1) is the clause that would govern.

G. Other Undertakings
(1) Neither the Parties hereto nor any Club or any Player shall enter into any agreement, Uniform Player’s Contract or other transaction, that includes any terms designed to defeat or circumvent the intention of the Parties as reflected by this Article XXIII.
(2) At the time a Club and a Player enter into any Uniform Player’s Contract, or at the time of the assignment of any Uniform Player’s Contract, there shall be no unreported understandings or agreements of any kind between the Player and the Club. No other understandings or agreements, whether made before or after the signing of the Uniform Player’s Contract or its assignment, shall be valid, recognizable or of any effect whatsoever, unless expressly set forth in a new or supplemental Uniform Player’s Contract executed by the Player and the Club and complying with this Agreement and the Major League Rules. (See “Supplemental Agreements” paragraph of the Uniform Player’s Contract.)
 

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Our very own Ryan Dempster. I think Mark McGwire did too.
So did Bob Stanley. He was healthy and could have gone several more years. Left one year and $1 million (alot of money in the early 90's) on the table.

He left the game to care for his cancer stricken son who shortly thereafter went into remission (thank you Dana Farber). He thrives to this day.