Agree totally. This isn’t about the Reds being stupid. They think Gray is salvageable. We certainly saw flashes in pinstripes, mostly on the road.The Reds have his old Vanderbilt pitching coach, they know exactly what they’re getting.
Still rumors, these are the latest:Is it finalized or still rumor stage? Not seeing it reported on the major sites.
Ottavino signed with the Yanks without 1% of the hoopla we see about Sonny Gray.Not sure what the complaint is, this has certainly dragged on a long time but part of that is because CC’s surprise surgery put it on hold for a month (early Dec to early Jan). It will be done soon, it sounds like.
Who sees a bullet in flight? I once heard one go past my head. Zip!Ottavino signed with the Yanks without 1% of the hoopla we see about Sonny Gray.
It's the bullet you don't see that kills you.
Does this look like the Mayo Clinic?Who sees a bullet in flight? I once heard one go past my head. Zip!
He's pretty fascinating, a top ten reliever in all of MLB last year, and a lot of similarities to Betances, they even both played for the same summer league team in NYC (Betances is a few years younger, so I don't think they actually overlapped).I'd guess most people don't know that much about Ottavino to really discuss him.
Keanu Reeves?Who sees a bullet in flight? I once heard one go past my head. Zip!
The Reds discussion board I've been reading in recent days is kind of into this plan, basically road-testing players for a year and then going after the ones that they like from those after the season. CIN had their worst attendance in 30 years last year, so they're trying this half-assed plan to help that while holding onto all their top prospects. I agree that it seems pretty dumb overall.Cashman is really, really good at trades.
As for the Reds, what in God’s name are they doing? With the Dodgers trade and this one, they’re giving up good prospects — especially Jeter Downs, who went to the Dodgers — for players who could boost them from a 67-win team to maybe a 78-win team, then all leave in the offseason.
Sons of Chis Sabo must be a fun place!The Reds discussion board I've been reading in recent days is kind of into this plan, basically road-testing players for a year and then going after the ones that they like from those after the season. CIN had their worst attendance in 30 years last year, so they're trying this half-assed plan to help that while holding onto all their top prospects. I agree that it seems pretty dumb overall.
You pay for what someone is, not what you hope they’ll be. Gray ended last season as a middle reliever who was last on their major league depth chart. That’s what you’re trading for.The Reds have his old Vanderbilt pitching coach, they know exactly what they’re getting.
Precisely. This is an absurd price to pay for the Yankees’ mop up man.And a funny reaction from Joe Sheehan:
Joe Sheehan @joe_sheehan
Is there another, better Sonny Gray of whom I am unaware?
I have visited that site for years. Easily one of the best fanboards out there in my opinion.I have been reading that board for the last few days (the Reds one those are taken from), it is actually pretty good. It is really hard if you are stuck in the middle like the Mets or the Reds, tearing it down isn't always the answer either. Someone there made the point there that all three of Roark, Wood and Gray had top 10 Cy Young seasons in their relatively recent pasts, they have a nice core of young position players already up, and they have held on to their top tier of prospects, with the possible exception of Downs but their top 4-5 are the impact ones.
The guy I'd be scared about if I were a Reds fan is the as yet unannounced second prospect, Cashman has been plundering the lower minors of other teams in recent years at a percentage-defying rate.
He is so good, there are no words?And again wow, here is a rave report on our new tiny Shed, maybe he is a keeper:
Sorry, my fault. I guess my settings on Chrome are all messed up. I shoulda known it was on my end.It's two embedded image frame grabs, sorry. They are here:
And if that doesn't work, it's here also, he is #6:
https://www.prospectslive.com/lists/2018/12/3/cincinnati-reds-top-30-prospects
Machado was traded mid-season last year, so you could use that package and this winter’s Goldschmidt deal as rough guidelines for value. I think COL would probably need Andujar in exchange just for optics for their fans, but dunno.What would it take to get Arenado if they don't include Andujar?
If our options areMachado was traded mid-season last year, so you could use that package and this winter’s Goldschmidt deal as rough guidelines for value. I think COL would probably need Andujar in exchange just for optics for their fans, but dunno.
I'm not sure that one solid year will significantly change what he might get, given how the market is trending. 3/$30m and buy out this year.Interesting. I don't expect Sonny G. to agree to an extension with his value so low. I'm sure he'd rather bet on himself than take what will almost certainly be a low offer. But who knows.
This is what I was thinking, maybe a 2/24 extension. Lance Lynn bumped him from the rotation in August and signed for 3/30 this winter, Gray is really rolling the dice if he thinks he will get more than that next winter.I'm not sure that one solid year will significantly change what he might get, given how the market is trending. 3/$30m and buy out this year.