2018 Yankees Offseason Discussion

jon abbey

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Devers is both not very good defensively and way better than Andujar plus he is two years younger. IMO, Devers is a 3B, albeit one who needs a lot of work still. Andujar will never be a competent 3B, again IMO obviously. I don't think NY will give him more than a month or two there if he doesn't show major signs of improvement.

Arguing about Tulo is silly as we really have no idea now. He has looked great the first day or two in spring training, 15-16 teams tried to sign him this winter, he tried to play through nagging heel injuries for the last few years which are now fixed (so his recent stats are less relevant than they are for most), but he is 34 and has had countless injury issues in the past. We'll see soon enough.
 

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Jon made my point for me but what I was getting at was Devers is right at the bottom of most defensive rankings and far from a sure thing offensively. Andujar is worse, by far but his offense was epic last year. Defensively, he had such a historically bad season that it would be almost impossible to replicate.

SS, I honestly don't give a flying pig about because Tulo and DJ can hold it down until Didi returns, and Didi is a stud at SS.

fake edit: don't mind my grammar, my flight just got canceled and wine.
 

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It would be nice if Tulo stays healthy until Didi returns. Sounds like Boone won’t play him than 3 or 4 games per week. Steady play would break him down pretty quick. Maybe they nurse a few months out of the guy.

Jon, I have to disagree with your pessimistic outlook on Miggie’s ability to improve his defense. He has a couple bad habits with his footwork that can be fixed, in time. Will he revert back under game pressure? Maybe. I did see some footage of him fielding grounders and throwing to first. He still had the crow hop! So who knows? Lemahieu is such a great pickup because he is insurance all over the infield.
 

jon abbey

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Defensively, he had such a historically bad season that it would be almost impossible to replicate.
I keep reading this but I don't see why it's true besides wishful thinking. The guy has 750 professional games at 3B now between the minors and majors and he was only getting worse at the end of last season. Sorry to keep using the same comparison, but I just keep thinking of Ryan Braun, who played 3B every game his rookie year and never again since. He could have gotten worse, I think Andujar could get worse (or he could get better) but he just has so many fundamental problems to me.
 

jon abbey

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on, I have to disagree with your pessimistic outlook on Miggie’s ability to improve his defense. He has a couple bad habits with his footwork that can be fixed, in time. Will he revert back under game pressure? Maybe. I did see some footage of him fielding grounders and throwing to first. He still had the crow hop! So who knows? Lemahieu is such a great pickup because he is insurance all over the infield.
I hope you're right, but it's the reaction time to me that I think is unfixable. Teams didn't even bunt on him much last year because they didn't need to, but that is actually the weakest part of his game if he ever starts making the regular plays consistently.
 

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I keep reading this but I don't see why it's true besides wishful thinking. The guy has 750 professional games at 3B now between the minors and majors and he was only getting worse at the end of last season. Sorry to keep using the same comparison, but I just keep thinking of Ryan Braun, who played 3B every game his rookie year and never again since. He could have gotten worse, I think Andujar could get worse (or he could get better) but he just has so many fundamental problems to me.
I'm not arguing against what you're saying as much as I'm arguing that it would be very difficult to replicate how bad he was last year. It took every facet of his game sucking to be one of the worst defensive 3b in 30 something years. There has to be some regression, no?
 

jon abbey

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I'm not arguing against what you're saying as much as I'm arguing that it would be very difficult to replicate how bad he was last year. It took every facet of his game sucking to be one of the worst defensive 3b in 30 something years. There has to be some regression, no?
I don't think that's necessarily the case, but looks like we'll get to see for at least the first part of the season.
 

jon abbey

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Some WARP projections for infielders from the new BP annual:

Gleyber 2.7 (540 PAs)
Didi 1.4 (218 PAs)
Tulo 1.0 (194 PAs, I think this is still projecting him on TOR)
Andujar 0.1 (566 PAs)
LeMahieu 4.2 (569 PAs)

Arenado 5.3 (610 PAs)
Machado 4.4 (665 PAs)

Yes, that number for Andujar is correct. They had him at just 1.6 last year, they expect the defense to get a bit better but the offense to regress, which makes some sense since he doesn't walk much and his average exit velocity last year wasn't anything special. Personally I expect his offense to get better this year, but this makes it clear in numerical form just how much his horrible defense hurts his overall game.

Also that LeMahieu number is something, very curious to see what we have there.