And as with value in baseball, replacement level for coaches is below the average. An average coach is worth a lot.MentalDisabldLst said:the average coach will make the playoffs (11/3) = 3.7 times in 11 seasons. 5 is more than respectable.
And as with value in baseball, replacement level for coaches is below the average. An average coach is worth a lot.MentalDisabldLst said:the average coach will make the playoffs (11/3) = 3.7 times in 11 seasons. 5 is more than respectable.
ConigliarosPotential said:FWIW, Mike Smith's problems went beyond clock management - his personnel usage mystified a lot of people (e.g., Jonathan Massaquoi and Ra'shede Hageman continually getting limited snap counts despite being the most promising pass rusher and interior defensive lineman on the team), and his choice of offensive/defensive coordinators was perpetually shaky. Personally, I think Smith made Dimitroff look bad much more often than the reverse was true...if Ryan lands in Atlanta, I think the Falcons rebuild will be faster than many people might think.
Atlanta has a top 10-12ish QB, but they might have the worst talent in the entire league outside of QB. Other than Julio Jones, who on the Falcons would start for the Patriots? Maybe Trufant over Browner/Arrington? They're 10-22 over the last two years for a reason.ShaneTrot said:But they have a QB, that's what makes this job and the Raiders job appealing.
That organization seems pretty dysfunctional. It might be a nice short-term destination, but in the long haul things don't look real rosy.Remagellan said:If SF comes calling, that's the job to take. Sure the competition within the division is tough, but the talent is there. Unless you don't believe Kaepernick is ever going to develop into a consistently productive QB, that's got to be the job on the top of everyone's list.
Agree on SF. There is a lot of age on that roster too and a QB that doesn't seem willing to put in the work to make himself great. I'd stay far away from that job.Super Nomario said:Atlanta has a top 10-12ish QB, but they might have the worst talent in the entire league outside of QB. Other than Julio Jones, who on the Falcons would start for the Patriots? Maybe Trufant over Browner/Arrington? They're 10-22 over the last two years for a reason.
That organization seems pretty dysfunctional. It might be a nice short-term destination, but in the long haul things don't look real rosy.
I'm not sure I agree on those specific points. A few key players (Justin Smith, Boldin, Willis, Gore) are old, but most of the roster is pretty young, and everything I've read suggests Kaepernick is a hard worker.jsinger121 said:Agree on SF. There is a lot of age on that roster too and a QB that doesn't seem willing to put in the work to make himself great. I'd stay far away from that job.
Yeah but the division is awful, a good draft and a few good free agent signings and this team could be in the playoffs next year. New Orleans is in salary cap hell, TB has good players but is inexplicably bad, Carolina is just getting out of salary cap problems. They don't need to be the 85 Bears.Super Nomario said:Atlanta has a top 10-12ish QB, but they might have the worst talent in the entire league outside of QB. Other than Julio Jones, who on the Falcons would start for the Patriots? Maybe Trufant over Browner/Arrington? They're 10-22 over the last two years for a reason.
That organization seems pretty dysfunctional. It might be a nice short-term destination, but in the long haul things don't look real rosy.
maufman said:SF is the worst situation out there -- a second-tier team that fancies itself a contender and will consider anything short of a Super Bowl a disappointment, and with meddlesome ownership to boot.
On a first past-look, I have trouble following this.ConigliarosPotential said:FWIW, Mike Smith's problems went beyond clock management - his personnel usage mystified a lot of people (e.g., Jonathan Massaquoi and Ra'shede Hageman continually getting limited snap counts despite being the most promising pass rusher and interior defensive lineman on the team), and his choice of offensive/defensive coordinators was perpetually shaky. Personally, I think Smith made Dimitroff look bad much more often than the reverse was true...if Ryan lands in Atlanta, I think the Falcons rebuild will be faster than many people might think.
If there was a spot to criticize this team it is the clearly the entire defense. They have nobody anywhere on the roster. Maybe the worst in the NFL. The good players they did have are all very old, It will take several years to turn it into something average.SoxFanInPdx said:The Bears can hire a new coach, GM and get a new QB. Still is not going to solve how insanely bad that O-Line is.
If Idzik is out, the Jets aren't a terrible situation -- low expectations, a long-suffering fan base, and an owner who has, if anything, been too patient with his people. It's not a potential quick fix like Chicago or Atlanta, but it will be far from the least coveted opening this winter.TomRicardo said:
Than the Jets? Not possible
Jets tried this with Herm the worm when he was consistently blowing games. It didn't really worksingaporesoxfan said:On Mike Smith, I always wondered whether it would make sense for a HC who was great at scheming and terrible at clock management (cough Andy Reid cough) to have some sort of time management coordinator on the sidelines to assist him.
maufman said:If Idzik is out, the Jets aren't a terrible situation -- low expectations, a long-suffering fan base, and an owner who has, if anything, been too patient with his people. It's not a potential quick fix like Chicago or Atlanta, but it will be far from the least coveted opening this winter.
Taking a job for a lame-duck GM is a bad move, however , so I agree that it's a terrible situation if Idzik isn't sacked along with Rexy -- and Woody Johnson is stupid enough to do that.
The Bears usually go outside the box when hiring a head coach. Only once have they hired a coach who had NFL head-coaching experience, according to ESPN Stats & Information. Paddy Driscoll was actually a player-coach with the Chicago Cardinals in the 1920s before he took the Bears' coaching duties from 1956 to 1957.
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:I wonder whether the Bears will take a long look at Rex. Obviously, without a GM they're in a state of limbo. But the hire makes sense in at least some superficial ways - the Buddy Ryan legacy, the defensive identity that the Bears like to consider themselves to have, getting a coach with a reputation for shutting down big time passing attacks for a division with Rodgers, Stafford, and (if he keeps developing) Bridgewater, etc.
I'm a Rex critic but the presumptive field of other HC candidates doesn't exactly blow me away right now.
amarshal2 said:
As I said up thread, the Bears have absolutely zero talent on defense. I can't see Ryan even considering this job...he wouldn't know what to do with the roster.
I have felt for a long time that Cowher would only come out of retirement if his alma mater (NC State) approached him. He has presumably had tons of offers over the years, and if none of those we're enticing enough, I don't think any of this year's vacancies will cause him to take the plunge.FL4WL3SS said:Any chance Cowher comes out of retirement for any of these jobs?
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Turn it over?
The Bears might not have much talent on defense but beggars can't be choosers. If Chicago is his only offer to become a HC, Rex will at the very least strongly consider taking the job.
Silverdude2167 said:Lets put it a different way, I did not realize the spread of playoff appearances. Four times in his first 5 years.
The Giants have made the playoffs once since 2008. Once in 6 years. That one time he won a coin flip Superbowl. I don't think we should measure coaches by Superbowl wins. To often recently the team that won the Superbowl got hot at the right time, but for this specific reason it is very important to make it to the playoffs and he has failed to do so with any consistency recently.
Turn what over? He's not a GM. He'd be better off going to TV than taking a job perfectly aligned with his weaknesses.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Turn it over?
The Bears might not have much talent on defense but beggars can't be choosers. If Chicago is his only offer to become a HC, Rex will at the very least strongly consider taking the job.
amarshal2 said:He'd be better off going to TV than taking a job perfectly aligned with his weaknesses.
You can't believe that Coughlin has done anything after 2011. Shit, his entire tenure he's been close to getting fired several times. Yes he's got 2 rings, but his teams year in and year out are never among the NFCs best let alone the NFL.cromulence said:
Your bitterness is so fucking tasty! "Coin flip Superbowl" is one of the stupidest phrases ever posted on this board. What a loser, his championship wasn't good enough.
Your bitterness is so fucking tasty! "Coin flip Superbowl" is one of the stupidest phrases ever posted on this board. What a loser, his championship wasn't good enough.
Would you be happy if the Pats had made the playoffs once in 6 years?cromulence said:
Your bitterness is so fucking tasty! "Coin flip Superbowl" is one of the stupidest phrases ever posted on this board. What a loser, his championship wasn't good enough.
cromulence said:Your bitterness is so fucking tasty! "Coin flip Superbowl" is one of the stupidest phrases ever posted on this board. What a loser, his championship wasn't good enough.
DanoooME said:From an ESPN story about the Emery/Trestman firings:
I'll have to check this out. That sounds crazy to me.
Edit: It's true. Trestman was the first coach to have any head coaching experience at any level of football (in his case, the CFL).
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Maybe so. But Rex still strongly considers, and possibly takes, that job if he's offered it. Honestly, to believe otherwise is just completely naive about how the business works.
Shelterdog said:
I think that's right. The talent isn't great but you have to take any NFL head coaching job offer not from Al Davis seriously. And Chicago is an excellent destination apart from talent--good stable and traditionally pretty patient ownership that doesn't interfere, a great fanbase, a division with only one consistently excellent opponent in GB, and a non-atrocious cap situation.
Would you be happy if the Pats had made the playoffs once in 6 years?
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:I wonder whether the Bears will take a long look at Rex. Obviously, without a GM they're in a state of limbo. But the hire makes sense in at least some superficial ways - the Buddy Ryan legacy, the defensive identity that the Bears like to consider themselves to have, getting a coach with a reputation for shutting down big time passing attacks for a division with Rodgers, Stafford, and (if he keeps developing) Bridgewater, etc.
I'm a Rex critic but the presumptive field of other HC candidates doesn't exactly blow me away right now.
I am not sure how the brothers would get along on a coaching staff. Would Rob like taking orders from Rex?Ed Hillel said:Random thought, but Rex would seem to me to be a prime candidate in Atlanta, and his brother a prime candidate to get canned for his horrible performance with the Saints. Any chance we could have a heartwarming Ryan brother combo down in the dirty south?
I'm not naive. Anything is possible but it's a very bad fit on both ends. You're the one who brought it up so the onus is on you to prove that it makes any sense at all beyond believing that Rex is dumb and desperateMorgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Maybe so. But Rex still strongly considers, and possibly takes, that job if he's offered it. Honestly, to believe otherwise is just completely naive about how the business works.
Why would Rob want to work for Rex? Any amount of success will be attributed to Rex, especially considering they're both defensive coaches at heart. I would assume Rob wants a head coaching gig at some point, he'd be in a lose-lose situations under Rex.Ed Hillel said:Random thought, but Rex would seem to me to be a prime candidate in Atlanta, and his brother a prime candidate to get canned for his horrible performance with the Saints. Any chance we could have a heartwarming Ryan brother combo down in the dirty south?
Green Bay, Baltimore, Indy and Seattle maybe.GregHarris said:
If you gave a poll to owners and asked if they would trade their last 10 seasons for results similar to the Giants, how many teams wouldn't do that trade? Five playoff appearances, 3 division titles and 2 Bowl wins?
Pittsburgh, New England, and....?
I think Rob Ryan's ship has sailed from ever becoming a head coach. He has the Ryan name attached to him along with being fired in Dallas and presiding over a horrendous defense in New Orleans.FL4WL3SS said:Why would Rob want to work for Rex? Any amount of success will be attributed to Rex, especially considering they're both defensive coaches at heart. I would assume Rob wants a head coaching gig at some point, he'd be in a lose-lose situations under Rex.
I'm not sure anyone else would take Rob at this point. He's been awful the past 3 years.FL4WL3SS said:Why would Rob want to work for Rex? Any amount of success will be attributed to Rex, especially considering they're both defensive coaches at heart. I would assume Rob wants a head coaching gig at some point, he'd be in a lose-lose situations under Rex.