2015 coaching carousel

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I thought about doing something glib, but I ended up just breaking the teams into high, medium, and low probability of a coaching change, with teams listed alphabetically within each group. Obviously, I don't expect a change for any teams not named.
 
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Chicago -- Jim Trestman and his staff have lost the locker room. The only suspense is whether GM Phil Emery also gets pink-slipped -- he has made some good moves, but the Cutler signing is the sort of bad deal that gets GMs fired.
 
NY Jets -- Rex Ryan might be an NFL head coach again next year, but it won't be for the Jets. GM John Idzik should be sacked too.
 
Oakland -- Tony Sparano hasn't done enough to shake the "interim" tag. They'll do a full search and bring in someone else.
 
San Francisco -- The 49ers were unhappy with Harbaugh a year ago and considered shipping him to Cleveland for compensation; the Niners' disappointing season surely hasn't made management more fond of Harbaugh. He's not likely to be fired, but he'll either bolt for Michigan, or a deal will be worked out where he's "traded" to his next team in exchange for nominal compensation.
 
 
Medium
 
Atlanta -- Mike Smith was on the hot seat last season, and the Falcons didn't improve. He only avoids the "high" list because the Falcons have a fighting chance to win their division, which would surely save Smith's job.
 
Jacksonville -- GM David Caldwell has a mandate from ownership to take the long view, and he's smart enough to know last year's 4-12 team was worse than its record, but he has to be disappointed by the lack of progress this season. This one's a coin flip; my gut says Bradley is out, but the conventional wisdom is he'll get another year.
 
Miami -- The general rule is that a coach who misses the playoffs in his first three seasons doesn't get a chance to coach a fourth. My gut says Philbin will beat the odds -- for him to survive last year's debacle, ownership must have been very high on him, and he didn't do anything this year that I would think would make them do a complete 180. But it's worth remembering that the odds are against him, and he's coaching under a GM who didn't hire him.
 
NY Giants -- I could see one of three things happening: (1) the Maras fire Coughlin (though he might be allowed to "retire"); (2) Coughlin is welcome to stay, but realizes he won't leave on his own terms if he presides over another losing season and doesn't see a quick fix in the works, so he retires; or (3) the club decides to move on from Eli Manning this winter, and Coughlin gracefully accepts a front-office job rather than presiding over a rebuilding job he won't coach for long enough to see through. I don't think any of these are particularly likely, but the cumulative odds of one of the three happening are something like 50/50.
 
Washington -- I debated putting Gruden on the "high" list, but he's got a big contract, plus Dan Snyder's knows that he's going to struggle to get a highly qualified head coach if he fires his current guy after a single season. I still think Gruden is gone.
 
 
Low
 
Dallas -- Jason Garrett is in the last year of his contract. Jerry Jones could do something mercurial, or Garrett could parlay his successful season into a head coaching gig with an owner who isn't crazy.
 
St. Louis -- Like Philbin, Jeff Fisher has missed the playoffs in each of his first three seasons. Unlike Philbin, Fisher coached in the Super Bowl at his last gig, and has presided this year over easily the NFL's worst quarterback situation. Given what he had to work with, and the strength of the Rams' schedule, 6-8 is not bad at all. I'd be surprised if Fisher is fired.
 
Tampa Bay -- They are still paying Greg Schiano, so I don't see them dumping Lovie Smith after one season, but the Bucs' terrible performance makes it not entirely out of the question -- especially if ownership believes, as I do, that Smith erred badly by not benching Josh McCown in favor of Mike Glennon, who has more talent than McCown and is young enough to have upside.
 
Tennessee -- Like the Bucs, the Titans have a first-year coach (Ken Whisenhunt) who wasn't given much to work with and fielded a horrible team. I think Whisenhunt has done a better job than Smith, but when your team is 2-13, a "coaches on the hot seat" list is incomplete without your name on it.
 

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Dallas is far from a lock from making the playoffs though. Lose either game and Philly wins the NFC East. Not sure what happens to Garrett if they do end up with 11 wins and don't make the playoffs.
 

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San Francisco -- The 49ers were unhappy with Harbaugh a year ago and considered shipping him to Cleveland for compensation; the Niners' disappointing season surely hasn't made management more fond of Harbaugh. He's not likely to be fired, but he'll either bolt for Michigan, or a deal will be worked out where he's "traded" to his next team in exchange for nominal compensation.
 
 
Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN  60m60 minutes ago
Agree with @mortreport that top outside candidate to replace Jim Harbaugh as #49ers coach is Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.
 

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Wouldn't shock me that McDaniels turns the Niners down. Kap is not a QB I would want to hitch my next job to.
 

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Wouldn't shock me that McDaniels turns the Niners down. Kap is not a QB I would want to hitch my next job to.
Of course, he drafted Tebow in the first round...
 
You're right though, I would hold out for a better situation if I were him. That division is tough.
 

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Can we just trade on Feb 2nd?  I wouldn't be opposed as Jim Harbaugh as an OC and HCToBe in waiting on a professional level.
Better yet, maybe we could revive Vince Lombardi and give him the job!

Seriously, if Harbaugh isn't a HC next season (and I think he will be, either in the NFL or at Michigan), he'll take a one-year sabbatical, possibly with a broadcasting gig. His credentials are so strong that he could only hurt them with an OC gig, even assuming he could stifle his ego enough to do the job (which is an open question imo).
 

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Josh McD could have very well mellowed out and learned a lot from his experience in Denver... But I wouldn't exactly say replacing him for Harbaugh, another coach that seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way, would be the smartest move.
 

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Polian may be on his way back to Buffalo, and might keep Marrone, whom he has praised recently. I would very much enjoy watching BB and the Pats put the wood to that arrogant blowhard for a few more years. If his plan is to install his incompetent son as GM, even better. His lousy draft performance (along with BP's general unpleasantness) is what got them both canned in Indy.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/27/buffalo-shakeup-could-result-in-polian-reunion/
 
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so what would be a fair O/U for the number of head coaching vacancies that happen tomorrow, as in Monday? i.e. coach is fired, traded or resigns in that 24 hour span?

A friend of mine is a small-time bookie trying to take some prop bets.
 

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Last year 7 coaches were fired the Monday after the regular season:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/01/01/7-nfl-coaches-sacked-in-firing-frenzy/

After reading the posts here, I'd go 7.5. (Atlanta 0.99 Jets 0.95 SF 0.95 Oakland 0.90 Chicago 0.8, Miami 0.6, Jacksonville 0.4, Giants 0.3, Washington 0.4). The extra 1.1 comes from maufman's Low, plus the rest of the field each probably has an 0.05 chance of someone walking away, and round to nearest 0.5. 8.5 is defensible based on how you judge those last categories, and 6.5 maybe if you think some of the firings might be delayed for a few days.
 

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Last year 7 coaches were fired the Monday after the regular season:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/01/01/7-nfl-coaches-sacked-in-firing-frenzy/

After reading the posts here, I'd go 7.5. (Atlanta 0.99 Jets 0.95 SF 0.95 Oakland 0.90 Chicago 0.8, Miami 0.6, Jacksonville 0.4, Giants 0.3, Washington 0.4). The extra 1.1 comes from maufman's Low, plus the rest of the field each probably has an 0.05 chance of someone walking away, and round to nearest 0.5. 8.5 is defensible based on how you judge those last categories, and 6.5 maybe if you think some of the firings might be delayed for a few days.
 
Didn't Miami already confirm the coach was returning?
 

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Didn't Miami already confirm the coach was returning?
You're right. (Good for the rest of the AFC East. Apparently ownership kept him because of the improvement Tannehill showed. Ha.) My over-under guess goes to 6.5.
 

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Yeah..not a resignation, not fired, and Niners owed nothing if he goes to another NFL team,
 
Which, of course, he isn't.
 
 
 
Mike Smith of Falcons being fired tomorrow per NBC.
 

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I would love to see what Rex could do with the Falcons.
 

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Yeah..not a resignation, not fired, and Niners owed nothing if he goes to another NFL team,
 
Which, of course, he isn't.
 
 
 
Mike Smith of Falcons being fired tomorrow per NBC.
Saw a story today Lions DC Teryl Austin could be a candidate for the Falcons HC position
 

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“@NEPD_Loyko: Just heard the Rex Ryan situation could get messy. Rex wants out now to pursue open opportunities. Woody may wait for new GM to decide... HA”
 

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MentalDisabldLst said:
so what would be a fair O/U for the number of head coaching vacancies that happen tomorrow, as in Monday? i.e. coach is fired, traded or resigns in that 24 hour span?

A friend of mine is a small-time bookie trying to take some prop bets.
I would set the O/U for the entire offseason at 6.5 -- the four gimmes from the OP (CHI, NYJ, OAK, SF), plus Smith and 1-2 of the other medium/lows.

Black Monday only is a problematic prop bet; besides the one or two situations each year that take a few days (or longer) to play out, how do you rule on cases where the news breaks on Monday but there's no formal presser until Tuesday or Wednesday?
 

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I would love to see what Rex could do with the Falcons.
Oakland would be a special landing spot for Rex.

Edit: Could be topped however by McDaniels getting the Chicago job to be reunited with Brandon Marshall and to trade Cutler for a second time.
 

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Oakland would be a special landing spot for Rex.

Edit: Could be topped however by McDaniels getting the Chicago job to be reunited with Brandon Marshall and to trade Cutler for a second time.
I still think Atlanta has to be the best landing spot for McDaniels, especially if Dimitroff and Pioli are involved.
 

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The Bears could be a good landing spot for Rex.  
The Bears need someone to restore order and focus and get everyone on the same page. They need someone like Coughlin or Shanahan or Harbaugh.
 

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I sort of feel bad for Mike Smith. Seems like a good guy. Inept at clock management but I bet if Dimitroff constructed a less top heavy roster, he would still have a job.
 

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Coughlin's staying with the Giants, and he's not someone any other team should be looking to hire now, because how much longer can he be expected to go on coaching?  
 
Harbaugh is going to Michigan, which makes sense.  If he's the type of guy whose personality wears on players after a few years he's better off in college.  
 
Shanahan would be interesting, but I can't remember if he and Cutler got along when they were at Denver. 
 

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I still think Atlanta has to be the best landing spot for McDaniels, especially if Dimitroff and Pioli are involved.
. I wouldn't do it if I were Josh. He likely only gets one shot at being a head coach so he should truu to make sure it's a perfect set up. Dimitroff might be one bad season from getting canned and it's going to take some time for Atlanta to rebuild.
 

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. I wouldn't do it if I were Josh. He likely only gets one shot at being a head coach so he should truu to make sure it's a perfect set up. Dimitroff might be one bad season from getting canned and it's going to take some time for Atlanta to rebuild.
But they have a QB, that's what makes this job and the Raiders job appealing.
 

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If SF comes calling, that's the job to take. Sure the competition within the division is tough, but the talent is there.   Unless you don't believe Kaepernick is ever going to develop into a consistently productive QB, that's got to be the job on the top of everyone's list.  
 

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The Bears need someone to restore order and focus and get everyone on the same page. They need someone like Coughlin or Shanahan or Harbaugh.
I agree that Rex is a poor choice, but I'm not very impressed with the guys you mentioned either.

Has Shanahan demonstrated the ability to do this since leaving Denver? He didn't show much in Washington.

Obviously Coughlin deserves a nod for the two Super Bowl runs, but his entire record in NY is fairly unimpressive. He strikes me as a guy whose teams underperform their talent. IMO, wheneverything clicked in '07 and '11, it was more a case of a good team playing up to its true talent level for a short stretch rather than a mediocre team overachieving. He's made the playoffs 5 times in 11 seasons there. Edit: And he's still the coach of the Giants.

Harbaugh is going to Michigan.
 

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But they have a QB, that's what makes this job and the Raiders job appealing.
. And also a shitty division and a top ten pick and cap space. Atlanta is probably the job with the best medium and long term prospects (at least if you respect Dimitroff) but it's be worried about it being a very short leash.
 

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MarcSullivaFan said:
Obviously Coughlin deserves a nod for the two Super Bowl runs, but his entire record in NY is fairly unimpressive. He strikes me as a guy whose teams underperform their talent. IMO, wheneverything clicked in '07 and '11, it was more a case of a good team playing up to its true talent level for a short stretch rather than a mediocre team overachieving. He's made the playoffs 5 times in 11 seasons there. Edit: And he's still the coach of the Giants.

Harbaugh is going to Michigan.
That's just a ridiculous perspective on Coughlin. I wouldn't hire him because he's too old but to call his work with the Giants "fairly unimpressive" is bizarre. Not everybody is Bill Belichick. Winning two Super Bowls is a massive achievement, and winning 55% of regular season games or making the playoffs about half the time are both accomplishments as well. Especially when you're doing it with a borderline top 10 QB, not Tom Brady or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.
 

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That's just a ridiculous perspective on Coughlin. I wouldn't hire him because he's too old but to call his work with the Giants "fairly unimpressive" is bizarre. Not everybody is Bill Belichick. Winning two Super Bowls is a massive achievement, and winning 55% of regular season games or making the playoffs about half the time are both accomplishments as well. Especially when you're doing it with a borderline top 10 QB, not Tom Brady or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.
Is it? The guy won two toss up games with a dominate DLine.
His teams have underachieved often in a pretty bad division, every time he won the superbowl there was talk about him being fired earlier in the year. His teams got hot at the right time to save his job, but 5 post seasons in 11 years is not an accomplishment and would have gotten him fired much earlier if he had lost one of the superbowls.
 
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the average coach will make the playoffs (11/3) = 3.7 times in 11 seasons. 5 is more than respectable.
 

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Is it? The guy won two toss up games with a dominate DLine.
His teams have underachieved often in a pretty bad division, every time he won the superbowl there was talk about him being fired earlier in the year. His teams got hot at the right time to save his job, but 5 post seasons in 11 years is not an accomplishment and would have gotten him fired much earlier if he had lost one of the superbowls.
Tom Coughlin was a great coach at BC, jacksonville and with the Giants. I don't understand the attempts to diminish his legacy.


As for talk about firing Coughlin. There was talk this year about Tom Brady being washed up. This says more about the talkers than the subject they are talking about.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
That's just a ridiculous perspective on Coughlin. I wouldn't hire him because he's too old but to call his work with the Giants "fairly unimpressive" is bizarre. Not everybody is Bill Belichick. Winning two Super Bowls is a massive achievement, and winning 55% of regular season games or making the playoffs about half the time are both accomplishments as well. Especially when you're doing it with a borderline top 10 QB, not Tom Brady or Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.
Okay. "Fairly unimpressive" is an unfair characterization of his entire record at NY. I should have said that I think he's overrated, which I do. He is treated like a potential HOF coach based on the two SB runs, but the entire body of work does not support it. He is portrayed as a disciplinarian, but his teams turn the ball over a ton and seem to play below their talent level. But in any event, I think we agree that even if he were available, he's not a particularly attractive candidate at this point.