2015 coaching carousel

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

I'm not naive. Anything is possible but it's a very bad fit on both ends. You're the one who brought it up so the onus is on you to prove that it makes any sense at all beyond believing that Rex is dumb and desperate

 
Here's what happened in our conversation.
 
(1) I mentioned that Chicago might look at Rex.
 
(2) You claimed that Rex wouldn't even consider that job.  Frankly, this statement was fucking asinine.  I didn't say it at the time but I'm willing to say it now.
 
(3) I've tried to explain, in more diplomatic words, why you are wrong about him not even considering the Chicago job if offered, even its a bad fit in some ways.  You respond by continuing to claim that its a bad fit, without seeming to comprehend that he might still consider a HC job that is a bad fit in some ways.
 
(4) People like Shelterdog chime in with reasonable points about why Rex probably still strongly considers that job, yet you proceed full speed ahead to double down on the notion that he wouldn't even think about the job because of your appraisal of the defensive talent.
 
Good job.  Great stimulating conversation.

 

[dcmissle]

 
If you gave a poll to owners and asked if they would trade their last 10 seasons for results similar to the Giants, how many teams wouldn't do that trade?  Five playoff appearances, 3 division titles and 2 Bowl wins?
 
Pittsburgh, New England, and....?

Pats fans would have been thrilled about this over the first 40 years of the team's existence. And you would take this ex ante 100% of the time.

 

[amarshal2]

 
Here's what happened in our conversation.
 
(1) I mentioned that Chicago might look at Rex.
 
(2) You claimed that Rex wouldn't even consider that job.  Frankly, this statement was fucking asinine.  I didn't say it at the time but I'm willing to say it now.
 
(3) I've tried to explain, in more diplomatic words, why you are wrong about him not even considering the Chicago job if offered, even its a bad fit in some ways.  You respond by continuing to claim that its a bad fit, without seeming to comprehend that he might still consider a HC job that is a bad fit in some ways.
 
(4) People like Shelterdog chime in with reasonable points about why Rex probably still strongly considers that job, yet you proceed full speed ahead to double down on the notion that he wouldn't even think about the job because of your appraisal of the defensive talent.
 
Good job.  Great stimulating conversation.

Not even consider was a little bit of hyperbole. Shoot me. I think I made it clear in my second post that it wasn't meant to be 100% literal, which is, of course, the opposite of doubling down.

You have completely failed to provide any reason why the Bears want Rex or why it's a good fit. All you've got is, "well the Bears are an attractive franchise". Fine. I'll agree he might consider it on those terms but please tell me why we're talking about this as a serious possibility worthy of our time other than "Rex doesn't have a job" and "the Bears have no head coach". Otherwise it will continue to be a completely un-stimulating conversation raised by you.

To repeat what we've got so far:

Reasons he wouldn't:
The job is ill suited to Rex's strengths
It will take years and years until he has the type of players he needs for his system, likely longer than the life of an NFL head coach

Reasons the Bears would:

The best I've got here is "Rex is good at defense" and "the Bears are bad at defense". It's certainly nothing about getting more out of the existing talent they don't have.

Reasons the Bears wouldn't :
-it doesn't fit their previous MO (he's got HC experience)
-his personality is nothing like the coaches they've gravitated to in the past
-he wouldn't know what to do with their $100m enigma if you wrote him an instruction manual

Reasons Rex would:
It's the Bears!

Please stop treating me like I'm a complete moron and answer the question

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Not even consider was a little bit of hyperbole. Shoot me. I think I made it clear in my second post that it wasn't meant to be 100% literal, which is, of course, the opposite of doubling down.

You have completely failed to provide any reason why the Bears want Rex or why it's a good fit. All you've got is, "well the Bears are an attractive franchise". Fine. I'll agree he might consider it on those terms but please tell me why we're talking about this as a serious possibility worthy of our time other than "Rex doesn't have a job" and "the Bears have no head coach". Otherwise it will continue to be a completely un-stimulating conversation raised by you.

 
What do you want?  There are only a few HC vacancies, Rex is one of the leading names on the market, his dad is a legend in the city, people in the national media are talking about the possibility, etc.  If that's not enough to raise the notion that Chicago might look at Rex as a topic of conversation in a thread like this, then what is?
 
I've never argued that its going to happen or that's its a particularly good fit.  I've simply noted that its a possibility and then pushed back against your claim that Rex would never consider the job.  You call that hyberbole and want to pretend like you never said but that's the only thing that's being disputed.  So if your position is really that Rex would consider the job but its not a good fit, then we're not actually disagreeing about anything.

 

[soxhop411]

This SF PC is making me feel uncomfortable

 

[soxhop411]

They are getting grilled

 

[soxhop411]

The 49ers are a mess

 

[OCST]

 
I think that's right. The talent isn't great but you have to take any NFL head coaching job offer not from Al Davis seriously.  And Chicago is an excellent destination apart from talent--good stable and traditionally pretty patient ownership that doesn't interfere, a great fanbase, a division with only one consistently excellent opponent in GB, and a non-atrocious cap situation.

I would have a hard time taking an offer from Al Davis seriously, given his current status of "dead"

 

[E5 Yaz]

ESPNChiBears Jeff Dickerson
Ted Phillips does not expect Jay Cutler to meet w/head coaching candidates this time around.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

I would have a hard time taking an offer from Al Davis seriously, given his current status of "dead"

 
I'm not sure everyone is 100% convinced his status was "alive" over the last 4-5 years that he was actually out there making offers.  

 

[CaptainLaddie]

Coughlin's staying with the Giants, and he's not someone any other team should be looking to hire now, because how much longer can he be expected to go on coaching?  
 
Harbaugh is going to Michigan, which makes sense.  If he's the type of guy whose personality wears on players after a few years he's better off in college.  
 
Shanahan would be interesting, but I can't remember if he and Cutler got along when they were at Denver. 

 

They got along great.  Cutler loves Shanny.

 

[soxhop411]

RT @RapSheet: The #Falcons have requested permission to speak with #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels, source says.

 

[soxhop411]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 13s13 seconds ago
The #Falcons aren’t alone for #Patriots OC Josh McDaniels. I’m told the #49ers have also requested permission to interview him.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

As a fan of a perennial SB contending team with desirable coordinators, I wish the NFL would have a moratorium on all coaching hires until after the big game.

 

[Ed Hillel]

As a fan of a perennial SB contending team with desirable coordinators, I wish the NFL would have a moratorium on all coaching hires until after the big game.

Problem is that most of the jobs are gone at that point.

 

[dcmissle]

The 49ers are a mess

The grilling is deserved. Key players on the team today were universally supportive of their former HC, and I have heard no dissent. So the shelf life issues seem to relate to the FO rather than the hired help.

They had better hit on his successor. Unless Harbaugh made it clear he wanted out regardless, we are looking at Kobe v Shaq, Jerry Krause level of arrogance.

Harbaugh has annoyed me for 4 years, but he has been an outstanding coach.

 

[Ed Hillel]

 
Read what he said again. 

Ok, I see. Still, you'd have to ban all interviews until after the game to make it really fair and that's probably too late to start the process. The NFL season begins real early for coaches and their staffs.

 

[67YAZ]

 
There have been rumblings in the Trib that Bill Polian has been consulting the McCaskeys.  Complete and total speculation: Bill Polian becomes President of Football Operations and brings along Chris as VP and GM.    

Never mind. George McCaskey announced hiring Ernie Accorsi as consultant for the GM and coach searches. Current Giants front office guys Marc Ross and Kevin Abrams are the early co-favorites for the GM job.

 

[mauf]

Ok, I see. Still, you'd have to ban all interviews until after the game to make it really fair and that's probably too late to start the process. The NFL season begins real early for coaches and their staffs.

Yeah, one of the reasons that anti-tampering rules work is because they're realistic. Expecting non-playoff teams to sit idle for a month is not realistic. That's true in any major professional sport -- look how much trouble Bud Selig had enforcing just a narrow rule about announcements during the World Series.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

Ok, I see. Still, you'd have to ban all interviews until after the game to make it really fair and that's probably too late to start the process. The NFL season begins real early for coaches and their staffs.

I suppose they need to give the bottom feeders all the advantages they can get. And on the bright side we get to watch all the top tier coaches and front office folk turn down woody for a few extra weeks.

I doubt it had any impact on the outcome but it was infuriating as a fan to read all the Bill obrien stuff during the last Super Bowl they were in.

Edit: and yes I know he went to college, so my point is fairly lost in that particular example so I will now shut the fuck up on the subject.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

I suppose they need to give the bottom feeders all the advantages they can get. And on the bright side we get to watch all the top tier coaches and front office folk turn down woody for a few extra weeks.
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I look forward to your opinion in 3 years when BB retires and the Pats are coach searching. Or, assuming BB has a successor plan and considering the track record of every other coach around BB when they get a head job, two years later when they are looking for their next coach.

The system has to work this way as long as the standards for success call for 5-7 HC openings and 10-15 coordinator openings every black Monday. Picking desirable assistant coaches and managing distracted coordinators is part of the job description of an NFL head coach and/or GM.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

I was sitting here and bitching about non existent NFL rules that didn't even pertain to my main complaint. I'm a jackass. I don't think you really care about my opinion.

 

[soxhop411]

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer  12s12 seconds ago
If I'm Denver, I'm calling Rex Ryan yesterday about a consultant role for the playoffs, based on his history defending the Patriot offense.

 

[j-man]

 
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer  12s12 seconds ago
If I'm Denver, I'm calling Rex Ryan yesterday about a consultant role for the playoffs, based on his history defending the Patriot offense.
 

++++++++++++++++++1000  if i was elway  i would pay Rex Ryan 3 mil and a ring if denver wins it all for 1 month of work    

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Rex wants a real job and anybody that hires him will want him to start immediately. The only reason McDaniels was hired as a Patriots consultant for the playoffs was that BoB was leaving and McDaniels was offered the 2012 OC position at the same time.

 

[j-man]

my 02 
 
San Fran  Mcd or adam gase    
ATL  Adam gase or todd bowles   
Chi Mike Shannen or mike singletary    
NYJ  Nory turner or  ben madoo  
OAK Rex ryan or todd bowles  

 

[Silverdude2167]

++++++++++++++++++1000  if i was elway  i would pay Rex Ryan 3 mil and a ring if denver wins it all for 1 month of work    

The problem I see with this is that I can't believe Denver's D Staff would turn over their defense to him. What happens when the DC puts together a game plan and Rex is like that is not how I would do it. Would they just listen to Rex? With McDaniels, at least he knew the offense and the staff and had worked with everyone before, much different situation on top of what snowplow just said.

 

[Dollar]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/549775356950228993
 
 
 
Adam Schefter
‏@AdamSchefter
Falcons and 49ers requested permission to interview Patriots OC Josh McDaniels, per league source.

 

[Three10toLeft]

On Mike Smith, I always wondered whether it would make sense for a HC who was great at scheming and terrible at clock management (cough Andy Reid cough) to have some sort of time management coordinator on the sidelines to assist him.

 
Bill Simmons, is that you?

 

[soxhop411]

P. Schrager ‏@PSchrags  8m8 minutes ago
Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo ) just said the Raiders offered MORE money to Jim Harbaugh than the University of Michigan. On @FOXSportsLive

 

[Darnell's Son]

The problem I see with this is that I can't believe Denver's D Staff would turn over their defense to him. What happens when the DC puts together a game plan and Rex is like that is not how I would do it. Would they just listen to Rex? With McDaniels, at least he knew the offense and the staff and had worked with everyone before, much different situation on top of what snowplow just said.

I would imagine he wouldn't be brought in to consult witht he entire D staff but just Fox and their DC. He can show them the blitz packages and other alignments that he used to f with Brady and give them insight behind his thought process when attacking the Patriots' offense. Then the DC can use that info to add into their defense.

 

[Gunfighter 09]

 
P. Schrager ‏@PSchrags  8m8 minutes ago
Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo ) just said the Raiders offered MORE money to Jim Harbaugh than the University of Michigan. On @FOXSportsLive
 

 
 
Since we are posting in here and the Michigan thread, yes this is the worst day in Raiders franchise history. Marc Davis offered more money than he can afford and total control of the franchise to Jim Harbaugh and he chose to go to a college program that is in no way guaranteed to succeed. If he had taken the Raiders offer Harbaugh would have been the highest paid coach in NFL history and had little in terms of pressure to deal with. An 8-8 season would be more than acceptable for the next couple of years in Oakland. And still he said no. So, Reggie McKenzie is still operating as the GM, and leading a coaching search, knowing that his boss just offered to fire him in order to get a new coach, and Tony Sparano is turning the season ending press conference into a referendum on why he should be head coach after going 3-9....
 
 
These are dark times in Alameda. The Raiders should offer Rex a big money deal, and should certainly call David Shaw, but I am worried that the best case is getting someone like Jack Del Rio or Pat Shurmur. 
They offered Jim Harbaugh $9M+ and he said no.... incredible. 

 

[soxhop411]

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo  55m55 minutes ago
49ers assistant Eric Mangini slated to interview with the Raiders for their head-coaching job, source says.

 

[dcmissle]

Hear you Gunfightet. But something tells me this is less a reflection on Oakland and more about Michigan.

Talking heads were selling geographical proximity -- but these were the same talking heads who said he would not go to MI. They played up the revenge angle -- but let revenge dictate the next 6 years of your life, really?

The fact is these are fundamentally different jobs. In college, the administrative and recruiting aspects dominate. There is more coaching, and less babysitting (unless you coach in Cleveland), in the pros.

The way I would look at it is Harbaugh had the opportunity to coach two stories places back to glory. He chose MI, where he played and his dad coached. There is no shame losing to that

 

[RedOctober3829]

@MMehtaNYDN: Rex Ryan is meeting with ESPN executives today for possible role on network in the event he doesn't land head coaching gig, per source #nyj

 

[Toe Nash]

I would imagine he wouldn't be brought in to consult witht he entire D staff but just Fox and their DC. He can show them the blitz packages and other alignments that he used to f with Brady and give them insight behind his thought process when attacking the Patriots' offense. Then the DC can use that info to add into their defense.

I mean, the Broncos DC is Jack del Rio who is about as accomplished as Rex. It's not like he's some nobody who doesn't know anything. And Rex wouldn't be bringing Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson with him. 

 

[soxfan121]

I mean, the Broncos DC is Jack del Rio who is about as accomplished as Rex. It's not like he's some nobody who doesn't know anything. And Rex wouldn't be bringing Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson with him. 

 
Slow down. Jack Del Rio is the Jon Snow of the NFL. 

 

[Drocca]

I have felt for a long time that Cowher would only come out of retirement if his alma mater (NC State) approached him. He has presumably had tons of offers over the years, and if none of those we're enticing enough, I don't think any of this year's vacancies will cause him to take the plunge.

NC State did approach him during their last search.

 

[bosockboy]

Cowher supposedly is only interested in the Giants job and has been unsuccessfully waiting out Coughlin's ouster for years.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Has that rumor even been remotely substantiated over the past 4-5 years?  

 

[Shelterdog]

I mean, the Broncos DC is Jack del Rio who is about as accomplished as Rex. It's not like he's some nobody who doesn't know anything. And Rex wouldn't be bringing Sheldon Richardson and Mo Wilkerson with him. 

 
I can't find a citation--Rex Ryan talks so much shit it's really hard to track down particular nutty things that he said--but Rex has trashed Del Rio in the media a couple of times.  Early in his career he ripped Jacksonville's defensive efforts against the Pats (something like if you're just going to stand there and rush four like Jacksonville did against Brady you'll just be pathetic and lose) and he's ripped on the kind of coaches who wear suits.
 
I like Rex as a defensive coach as much as the next guy--and probably more than 80% of SoSH likes him--but introducing a volatile guy who runs a totally different system at this point of the year strikes me as nuts. Now maybe if he and Fox are buddies and they have some conference calls where Rex gives Fox a bunch of ideas and no one knows where they came from...

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

I get the idea of Rex feeding the Broncos ideas and concepts, but isn't knowing what to do and having the horses to do it two different things (HA! Broncos, horses! boom). Denver obviously has some talent in their front seven, but do those pieces fit the skill set and techniques needed to do what Rex would want to do against Brady?  I am not close enough to the nuances between the Jets defensive front seven and the Broncos front seven to understand if this would or would not be a big deal.  

 

[dcmissle]

This seems overdone. The concepts are on tape, two games this year and other successful efforts in previous years, and have to be adapted to different personnel in any case. If the notion is that Rex can better adapt them to somebody else's players, that would be a self indictment by the Denver staff.

And what's in it for Rex? He anti-Pats rants were motivational ploys. There is no evidence he really dislikes BB, the Patriots or the Krafts. If he is going into HC again, it will probably be with an NFC team. If he is hitting television, he'll want to come in as someone with no axes to grind or scores to settle.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 50s51 seconds ago
Pats OC Josh McDaniels, who has passed on some HC possibilities in recent yrs, agreed to interview w/ATL and SF this week in New England


 


 

 
 
 

 

 

[soxhop411]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter  3m3 minutes ago
Rex Ryan has interviews scheduled with the Falcons and 49ers for their head coach openings. (via multiple reports)

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

 
 
Since we are posting in here and the Michigan thread, yes this is the worst day in Raiders franchise history. Marc Davis offered more money than he can afford and total control of the franchise to Jim Harbaugh and he chose to go to a college program that is in no way guaranteed to succeed. If he had taken the Raiders offer Harbaugh would have been the highest paid coach in NFL history and had little in terms of pressure to deal with. An 8-8 season would be more than acceptable for the next couple of years in Oakland. And still he said no. So, Reggie McKenzie is still operating as the GM, and leading a coaching search, knowing that his boss just offered to fire him in order to get a new coach, and Tony Sparano is turning the season ending press conference into a referendum on why he should be head coach after going 3-9....
 
 
These are dark times in Alameda. The Raiders should offer Rex a big money deal, and should certainly call David Shaw, but I am worried that the best case is getting someone like Jack Del Rio or Pat Shurmur. 
They offered Jim Harbaugh $9M+ and he said no.... incredible. 

 
Sorry for the news GF. I really do think Oakland is one of the better open posts this year. An improving defense, a very solid, young, (and more importantly) dedicated QB in Carr, 
 
Get better skill players around Carr and the offense can put up enough points to compete. Raiders are about 2-3 years away still, but the passionate fans may get to see a PO team sooner than later. 

 

[Tony C]

 
Sorry for the news GF. I really do think Oakland is one of the better open posts this year. An improving defense, a very solid, young, (and more importantly) dedicated QB in Carr, 
 
Get better skill players around Carr and the offense can put up enough points to compete. Raiders are about 2-3 years away still, but the passionate fans may get to see a PO team sooner than later. 

I agree- and would add that they are smart not to go after Rex. He and Carr would be an awful combo.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

 

 
Breaking out the McD news/interviews as it's obvious a story we'll follow very closely over the next few weeks.

 

[Ed Hillel]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter  3m3 minutes ago
Rex Ryan has interviews scheduled with the Falcons and 49ers for their head coach openings. (via multiple reports)

Ryan and Kaepernick in that division with those other personalities coaching would sure be awesome to watch.

 

[soxhop411]

Josina Anderson ‏@JosinaAnderson  2m2 minutes ago
Source: The #Raiders have requested permission to interview Colts offensive coordinator Pep Hamilton.