Super Bowl LVII - Chiefs vs Eagles in Glendale

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Also - State Farm stadium gets complaints all season about the field, resods it during the super Bowl bye week, and it's still crappy? What's the underlying issue going on here?
Has resodding on a short turnaround ever worked? Grass looks great but doesn't have enough time to set. Oh and then paint half the field and throw a massive music production on top of it. It's almost like they care more about the show then the game.
 

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Mahomes was totally milking that ankle thing for all it’s worth for his “legacy”. It’s like watching a WWE guy stumbling around in a daze and at last second suddenly regain full function and body slam a guy for a win.
 

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Maybe working was the only thing that could get him through that period? I mean fuck the Chiefs, but it seems pretty shitty to me to tell somebody how they need to grieve.
Everyone grieves differently and I can relate to this approach. I was 20 when my Mom passed in the afternoon and I needed my 9pm summer league basketball game more than anything in the world that night.
 

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The thing about the penalty that is hardest for the eagles is the weirdness of last two minute NFL football.

If the defender does nothing and gets beat for a TD it is actually still the second best result for the Eagles. Still lots of football left. A first down basically ended the game.

Most of the time, the object is TDs and so a penalty is never as good as a TD but in that one case, you look back and just wish the defender let him go. Even a perfect pass and it’s still a game.
 

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The thing about the penalty that is hardest for the eagles is the weirdness of last two minute NFL football.

If the defender does nothing and gets beat for a TD it is actually still the second best result for the Eagles. Still lots of football left. A first down basically ended the game.

Most of the time, the object is TDs and so a penalty is never as good as a TD but in that one case, you look back and just wish the defender let him go. Even a perfect pass and it’s still a game.
Yup. Lots of nut punches for Eagles fans down the stretch, including McKinnon almost Bradshaw’ing there at the end.

On the play in question, Bradberry would have been better off literally falling on his face.
 

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Also - State Farm stadium gets complaints all season about the field, resods it during the super Bowl bye week, and it's still crappy? What's the underlying issue going on here?
Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there *re-sods their lawn and makes it look right, but the roots don't take hold over a short growing period.*
 

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Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there *re-sods their lawn and makes it look right, but the roots don't take hold over a short growing period.*
I read somewhere that the NFL brought this turf in after working on it for 2 years. I don’t know if that’s real or not but shipping in the Soldier Field turf would have worked out better.
 

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Wouldn’t at all be surprising if a high ranking NFL official pulled Bradberry aside postgame and bribed him to say he held on the play.
I mean you don't seriously believe this, right? Like I get this is a game thread and people say silly shit in game threads, but jesus
 

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I mean you don't seriously believe this, right? Like I get this is a game thread and people say silly shit in game threads, but jesus
This thread is off the rails. Apparently Mahomes faked an injury, and the NFL is bribing its own players. Oh, and Andy Reid doesn’t grieve correctly.
 

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Greg Olson has a little Ron Burgundy vibe.
My wife says he sounds like Benjy Bronk from the Howard Stern show. I have to agree.

Jeffrey Ross looks horrrrrible.
He's looked the same for years now.

One thing not really noted here is that KC just killed the Eagles with dig routes. I wonder if they ran very few of those during the regular season and pulled those out for the SB. It wouldn't surprise me if Reid did something like that.
 

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I hope they litigate the "QB sneak scrum with three guys pushing him" out of existence in the off-season. Game wouldn't have been half as close if Philly didn't have that as their 2nd best call in the playbook.
I think they’ll do that. The “two running backs whose only role is transparently to push the qb forward” is just sort of cheesy. Fair play to the eagles for perfecting it but let’s see less of it next year ok?
 

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If someone told me that Mahomes would throw for 180 yards and win a 38-35 game, I would have laughed in their face.

If someone would have told me the Chiefs would get the benefit of a massive call down the stretch, I would have said "obviously."

It may have been the right call, but I hope someone puts together screen shots of roughly 50 other times during the game when the same shit happened, and a flag didn't come out.

Refs can be bad, they can call or not call penalties, the one fucking thing I ask for as a fan is consistency. That's it, and it's not too much to ask.

I had no rooting interest and most people watching didn't and we absolutely got fucked as fans and consumers on what had all the makings of an epic game. The kind of game that ends with guys like Malcolm Butler or Adam Vinatieri making a name for themselves. Instead, we got a bullshit first down, a guy sitting at the one, a kneeldown and a chip shot for the win. What a fucking waste.
 

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I read somewhere that the NFL brought this turf in after working on it for 2 years. I don’t know if that’s real or not but shipping in the Soldier Field turf would have worked out better.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35625308/super-bowl-2023-experimental-grass

He might be biased but Wu is confident his creation will "perform well" on Sunday.

"We feel excited," Wu said. "That's a very high standard there, so that our grass was selected for that game, we feel excited, honored."

Whitlark took it one more step further.

"It's satisfying and gratifying," he said, "to see a grass that I guarantee it will perform so well on TV."[\quote]
 

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And another son overdosed and died and he didn't take a serious leave of absence.
I have a problem in that he’s got failsons with zero experience in jobs that are freezing out talented black guys who are dying to get into coaching and still can’t get hired in meaningful numbers. Old boy gonna old boy.
 

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It feels like the story is that Andy Reid and his coaching staff made the right changes to get their offense rolling in the second half, and the Eagles had no response. The sub-header may be the Eagles’ decision to go with the punter who hadn’t played in like two months — an odd choice, in general, but one that proved to be very costly.
 

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Man, there’s sports hate and there’s message board speculating, but let’s not get into judging parenting like that. Hopefully, none of us are ever in situations like Reid has been. Or Remy. Or whoever.
Honestly, as forum conventions go, speculating on stuff like that should be considered OOB.
 

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One thing not really noted here is that KC just killed the Eagles with dig routes. I wonder if they ran very few of those during the regular season and pulled those out for the SB. It wouldn't surprise me if Reid did something like that.
PHI also looked totally unprepared for those two short-and-goal 2nd half touchdowns where a receiver (Toney, Moore) started in motion for a few steps then reversed course at the snap, stood there waiting wide open, and waltzed into the end zone. In both cases a Philly defender bit hard, stopped looking, and hauled ass across the formation away from them. So good they ran it twice in successive TD's on either side of the formation.

Watching the hotshot young coach vs. the veteran coach with 20+ years age and experience over him putting on a 2nd half clinic after adjustments, I got a big "Pats v. Rams Super Bowl" vibe from this game.

It was also my first exposure to Nick Sirianni. He comes off like a dad in the stands who spends the whole game trash-talking the coaches, refs, and players while embarassing his kids who are actually on the field playing.
 
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It feels like the story is that Andy Reid and his coaching staff made the right changes to get their offense rolling in the second half, and the Eagles had no response. The sub-header may be the Eagles’ decision to go with the punter who hadn’t played in like two months — an odd choice, in general, but one that proved to be very costly.
This is it. The Chiefs could do whatever the hell they wanted in the second half and Andy Reid’s play calling was as inspired as you’ll ever see. A masterclass in the second half.
 

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The field is such a huge story. It's a massive offensive advantage and the Chiefs exploited it the entire second half. Great coaching adjustment by Reid because all those plays with quick cuts were essentially unguardable. Also, on a good field, Bradbury might have just been able to cut with his guy and not grab (briefly) the jersey.
 

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The field is such a huge story. It's a massive offensive advantage and the Chiefs exploited it the entire second half. Great coaching adjustment by Reid because all those plays with quick cuts were essentially unguardable. Also, on a good field, Bradbury might have just been able to cut with his guy and not grab (briefly) the jersey.
Not only that but it also neutralized the strength of the Philly D, their DL. Not really sure what Philly could have done differently though. Maybe try more blitzes to see if you can get Mahomes to make a bad throw.
 

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This thread is off the rails. Apparently Mahomes faked an injury, and the NFL is bribing its own players. Oh, and Andy Reid doesn’t grieve correctly.
I’ve never seen anything like it. Super weird reactions to mundane shit.
 

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It didn’t look like a good call from all the bad Fox angles but between Bradberry admitting that he got caught holding and this angle here it was the right call on this one.

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This is a marginal call that happens probably half the plays in the NFL. You can’t swallow the whistles all game and then make the call in that situation. That would be like calling 3 Seconds for the first time all game with 30 seconds left of a tie game because someone was in the paint for 3.2 seconds. It actually looked like the minor tug kept the receiver from overbalancing and falling on the turf to me. He had lost his footing on the cut (like everyone else last night).
 

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I mean, he held him twice on that play, and affected the receiver getting open for what could have been the winning score, by an offense that was absolutely carving the defense up. Complaining about a lack of perfect consistency on holding calls is basically complaining about football.
 

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I mean, he held him twice on that play, and affected the receiver getting open for what could have been the winning score, by an offense that was absolutely carving the defense up. Complaining about a lack of perfect consistency on holding calls is basically complaining about football.
That is a marginal hold in the NFL that goes uncalled more often than not and wasn’t called once all night. People are well within their rights to call BS on it.
 

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That is a marginal hold in the NFL that goes uncalled more often than not and wasn’t called once all night. People are well within their rights to call BS on it.
He held him twice, and prevented him from getting open for the winning score for an offense that was absolutely carving up the defense.

So I guess my question is which if the two holds that prevented him from getting open was “marginal”? Do you also think that the NFL might have bribed the defender to admit to the penalty?

I know, I know: the hold actually helped the receiver.:eyeroll:
 
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Not only that but it also neutralized the strength of the Philly D, their DL. Not really sure what Philly could have done differently though. Maybe try more blitzes to see if you can get Mahomes to make a bad throw.
Refs also decided to ignore any offensive holding, which was key on a few of the Mahomes scrambles.
 

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If you look at the time it occurred on the tape you can clearly see that the hold impeded the separation that the receiver was about to gain.
Cool now do the all-22 and point out each time that happened in the game, you might finish in time for kick-off next season. Also the hold had hardly anything to do with his lack of separation it was the shitty field.

I did find it interesting that PHI had WR open all over the field in the 1st half and much less so in the 2nd half. I'm sure KC DBs just got much better and definitely weren't restricting any WRs since that was obviously the only time all game a WR was impeded on his route. Hence the only defensive holding call all game. Just so happens it came at the biggest moment of the game after Saint Mahommes missed the JuJu by 5 yards and the ref threw the flag as the ball was hopelessly hitting the ground. I didn't have a dog in this fight just a slight lean to PHI but felt robbed because I watched a great game for 58min and refball to end it.
 

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Good Chiefs OL, bad Eagles coaching, slippery field, not calling holding, Mahomes hitting open receivers quickly in the flats. It was a perfect storm.
Indeed, the QB scramble that set up the eventual game winning FG is marred by an obvious hold on 92 by 62, as Mahomes runs by:

View: https://youtu.be/BWkt79xkd00?t=926


...but since the refs weren't calling offensive holding on either team all game long, it should have been a wash. Instead, they call ticky-tack defensive holding on the next set of downs, and the game ends on a whimper.
 

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You know it’s the right call when half the people complaining about it are in the “Refs shouldn’t decide the game [by making the right call, but can totally decide it by refusing to make a call] with the game in the line!” mode.
 

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I’ve never seen anything like it. Super weird reactions to mundane shit.
I hope the Pats can start another 20 year run of unprecedented success with a few dynasties sprinkled in soon, so future post-season Lombardi threads don't read like R&D/outtakes from TheGangGreen or Charlie's conspiracy board from Always Sunny.

"I don't have a dog in this fight" based on the previous history of this thread is "I hate KC." Which, fine. But following that up with disingenuous "at minute 58 the refs took away my pure enjoyment of football, a game I love for love of game" in the year of our lord 2023 is, like, a hell of a wistful take for most regular NE sports fans who routinely follow the NFL on this board.

The wincing loss of innocence has reached ludricrous "the day the music died" Don McLean American Pie levels, which is a heck of a thing to see.
 
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I think it was a bad call for the moment, but it's not like we never see that type of jersey tug get called. Happens rather often, tbh.

He held him twice, and prevented him from getting open for the winning score for an offense that was absolutely carving up the defense.

So I guess my question is which if the two holds that prevented him from getting open was “marginal”?

I know, I know: the hold actually helped the receiver.:eyeroll:
He didn't hold him twice. He came out of the break and got his jersey tugged and when he move upfield he wasn't being held. The jersey tug was marginal, but certainly gets called many, many times over the course of an NFL season.
 

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If the call is going to literally decide the game (and this call did); I think it has to be incredibly blatant/egregious not what was basically a 50/50 call (could argue for 60/40 I guess)
 

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The best part of the night was LeBron complaining about a foul being called.

 

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If the call is going to literally decide the game (and this call did); I think it has to be incredibly blatant/egregious not what was basically a 50/50 call (could argue for 60/40 I guess)
And the flag should be coming out when the penalty happens, not 3 seconds later as the ball is hitting the ground. It was a bad call considering how the game had been called to that point regardless but the fact the flag comes out as the ball is hitting the ground is what really makes it look terrible considering the marginal hold took place at the LOS.
 

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Good call, bad call, no call, I don't really care -- I'm really just happy that it's over and spring training is about to begin, and then we will have the Bs and Cs in the playoffs, the NFL free agency and draft, and warm weather.
 

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Good call, bad call, no call, I don't really care -- I'm really just happy that it's over and spring training is about to begin, and then we will have the Bs and Cs in the playoffs, the NFL free agency and draft, and warm weather.
One of these years if/when the NFL moves to an 18 game schedule, the Super Bowl might get pushed back to President's Day weekend. I'm all for that, gets us one week closer to March / spring.