I hope they litigate the "QB sneak scrum with three guys pushing him" out of existence in the off-season. Game wouldn't have been half as close if Philly didn't have that as their 2nd best call in the playbook.
Super Bowl LVII - Chiefs vs Eagles in Glendale
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The issue isn’t the call wasn’t correct - the issue is it had been ignored for 58 and a half minutes until then.
And another son overdosed and died and he didn't take a serious leave of absence.
I frame-by-framed it like the Zapruder film because I figured there must have been an external force. Sure enough it appears his front foot lands on his offensive lineman's foot when winding up to throw. That may explain it.
I think he was legit hurt right before half... who knows what they shot him up with at halftime though
I didn’t take a leave of absence after my kid died either. People grieve in different ways.
I agree. But he could have whined about it. I think he should have!
Guy must feel *terrible* right now. Just awful. He's not the reason they lost but that shouldn't have been called even if he thinks he's being honorable by saying it was holding.
Maybe working was the only thing that could get him through that period? I mean fuck the Chiefs, but it seems pretty shitty to me to tell somebody how they need to grieve.
Undoubtedly the good stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets surgery in the off-season. He's tough but also a bit lucky he was able to play through the injury. At some point no amount of will power matters.
Man I watched the play again a couple times and I very slightly feel for that ref.
The call is objectively wrong, but watching the play it feels like it was holding. The receiver comes out of the wheel route slower than you expect and the defender has his arm down in the exact position where there would be a hold.
Only, he doesn’t hold him, the receiver just doesn’t turn up field quick and there was nothing actually there.
But it feels like it was in real time.
The call is objectively wrong, but watching the play it feels like it was holding. The receiver comes out of the wheel route slower than you expect and the defender has his arm down in the exact position where there would be a hold.
Only, he doesn’t hold him, the receiver just doesn’t turn up field quick and there was nothing actually there.
But it feels like it was in real time.
Yeah, the most exciting thing about that play is there might be a false start. I don’t see how they get rid of it though, because right now it is so heavily associated with one team. I think they need an everyone is doing it year next year, then they can get rid of it.
Yes. This.
High ankle sprains are no joke and it wouldn't take much to aggravate it. That was a hell of a second half that Mahomes had.
Credit to Hurts too. We know he was compromised as well, and aside from that big fumble, also played a hell of a game.
View: https://twitter.com/KirkHerbstreit/status/1624970355457523713?s=20&t=9d9d5GM3sbhemnGbDtAetw
“Usually don’t get involved in ripping referees but HATE that defensive holding call on Bradberry. 35-35 late on a 3rd down incompletion on what was a marginal foul??? Let em play man!! Bad call-hate that is what many will take away from this game.”
“Usually don’t get involved in ripping referees but HATE that defensive holding call on Bradberry. 35-35 late on a 3rd down incompletion on what was a marginal foul??? Let em play man!! Bad call-hate that is what many will take away from this game.”
In real time the ref also doesn’t know if not calling it will be a no call that decides the game. What if there was a pick because of a hold? Not likely there, but they are calling things fast. Nor does he know the ball is going way over that receiver’s head.
Still, it seemed so out of place for the game and minimal, you have to be very sure. I guess he would probably tell you he was sure and he would make the same call agin if he could.
When you've lost company man Kirk Herbstreit...
Just imagine if the Iggles picked off the pass.
I'm very, very, very sorry about your loss and in no way would I ever try to make light of losing a child. And I totally get how people grieve differently. I had no idea how to grieve for loss of my lifelong best friend until I found this. Grief is weird and fucked up and odd and so hard to figure out. Everyone deals with it differently. I get it, believe me.
But I will say this much, and I hope you don't take this badly or in a bad way because I don't mean it that way: I don't know what you do for a living, but you are not an NFL head coach. NFL head coaches work so much that they have insane rate of turnover and burnout. They work a hundred+ hours a week during the season, and sleep in the facility often. They're insane maniacs who basically mostly ignore their families because of the billion dollar franchises who lean on them to do their jobs that pay them millions of dollars (capitalism is a nightmare!). If my kid died I don't know what the fuck I would do, I'd probably be suicidal. I'm not Andy Reid. So maybe his coping mechanism was to go deeper into his work. I get it, but then his other kid decided to drive drunk and maim a 5 year old. And then he didn't think it was a good time to step back and help his adult child for a second time.
Yup, I get that. I addressed that here:
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/super-bowl-lvii-chiefs-vs-eagles-in-glendale.38670/post-5417275
Man, there’s sports hate and there’s message board speculating, but let’s not get into judging parenting like that. Hopefully, none of us are ever in situations like Reid has been. Or Remy. Or whoever.
The only guy on the Chiefs I don’t like is Kelce, and that’s because he’s such a poseur. The rest of them seem fine.
You're right, which is one reason why KC was throwing the ball on that play.
You should have stopped at your first paragraph and moved on. You have no idea what you are talking about.
No question Mahomes is a great QB, but he ran into the locker room at the half with no limp at all then came back in the second half with full mobility. It wasn’t Paul Pierce in a wheel chair but it looked like he was not hurt and was building a narrative. Fox had no problem running with it, either. There were even bloody sock references.
The NFL is in the entertainment industry and some of the players embrace it more than others.
The NFL is in the entertainment industry and some of the players embrace it more than others.
We had two decades of people hating on the Brady, Gronk and the rest of the Patriots for two decades for largely the same reasons. Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL and I would eat log of my own shit to have him playing for the Pats.
The pile pushing has in general gotten out of control, same with college ball.
Shitty call but the vaunted Eagles pass rush not laying a finger on Mahomes was their undoing.
KC OL is quite good, but I am seriously wondering if the crap field just gave the advantage on the line to both OLs even further. There was only one sack and it was a technicality one, a Hurts run loss for a yard on the sideline
Good catch, I didn’t know about his legal issues.
The hate for Mahomes and Reid is totally bizarre to me.
How was he building the narrative though? Blame fox, I’m with you.
But I don’t think Mahomes did anything for show that he wasn’t feeling.
To me the pile pushing stuff is just old school football at it's finest. Looks like the rugby-esque roots of the game.
Rooting against teams generates as much interest as rooting for them. Brady and BB played the heel from 2007 onwards. I'm sure many will see KC and Mahones in that light after this BS. In any case the NFL eyeball machine keeps rolling.
Maybe they'll start blowing the whistle to stop forward motion earlier? But even that is really tricky.
Good Chiefs OL, bad Eagles coaching, slippery field, not calling holding, Mahomes hitting open receivers quickly in the flats. It was a perfect storm.
Also - State Farm stadium gets complaints all season about the field, resods it during the super Bowl bye week, and it's still crappy? What's the underlying issue going on here?
He tweaked his ankle on that tackle, then his ankle loosened back up? I mean, that’s how a lot of injuries work.
Or he was knowingly faking it when his team was down in the first half for… reasons. Yeah that’s definitely more plausible.
More of a blown assignment by Mason, but your point stands, they did shit all game long then too.