Revis: Reportedly Signs with the Jets

[amarshal2]

So your stance, and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is that no NFL free agent contract that's been signed has ever had an impact on the maximum or minimum player salary?

Interesting.

 
It seems like you're being snarky but you're also being very unclear.  What exactly is your point?  What are you talking about when you say, "never had an impact on maximum or minimum player salary"?   Those words were not present anywhere in my post and were not directly implied, either.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

Rex is big on the here and now. give him a $25M signing bonus, etc. But I don't know, new owners, stick it to the Pats, Rex loves him, etc. NFL teams can usually make it work for a year or two. the cap hit in year one could be as low as $6M if done right I suspect.
 
Miami? I haven't a clue how'd they do it. but having Suh, Wake, Jones Grimes and Revis would be interesting.

 

[SeanBerry]

 
 
THEY DON'T HAVE A QB.
 
Seriously they have so many holes there is a conceivable route to be a playoff contender.  Maybe just maybe everything goes their way and they can sneak into a WC spot but it is highly doubtful.

 
Ryan Fitzpatrick is not a bad QB. He's not good but he's not bad. Geno Smith has been bad the last 2 season. Fitzpatrick (and I know this is far from a perfect stat) had a Top 10 QB rating last year.
 
Once again (for the Pats fanboys who freak out anytime someone doesn't love their favorite team)... Fitzpatrick is not a good QB but he would be an improvement over last year. A middle of the pack QB is "not having" a QB. If we go with Geno next year, then Tom's point stands.

 

[TheoShmeo]

McCourty reportedly left money on the table to sign with the Patriots.  Revis supposedly did so last year, as well.  Did the NFLPA do anything to deter either signing?  Did they even react? 
 
Now this Revis situation could be different if half the league is bidding on him and the Pats offer materially less than other teams.  But it's hard to see the NFLPA as a big factor unless Revis himself invites them into the process given the influence that his Uncle Sean Gilbert may have over him or his thinking.
 
Sean Berry, fans of other teams post in here all the time without generating anything along the lines of a freak out.  Gratuitously calling posters in here fanboys is but one example of the kind of nonsense that generates the reaction to your posts.  Have you considered that there are plenty of Yankees fans on this site who post regularly without generating similar reactions?  As detestable as the Jets are, I doubt there are many Pats/Sox fans here who don't dislike the Yankees more than the Jets.

 

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

 
People often say this but I don't get it.  Why would the NFL PA care so much more about the stars getting big contracts than the other 95% of players who aren't stars?
 
Essentially, none of these contracts players sign have an impact on the size of the pie that the players receive.  There's a hard salary cap and a hard spending floor.*  What they are doing is negotiating over the distribution of the pie between the players.  Every dollar that Revis gets from the Pats is a dollar Bill likely would have spent on someone else...somebody who probably isn't a star but a mid-level veteran FA.  
 
By this logic, Revis should seek to optimize his own happiness and not feel concerned about pressure from the NFL PA.  The money will be spent on players regardless of the outcome of his negotiation.  You can even argue that taking less money is in his own interest depending on how much he values winning.  This is because that money left on the table will specifically be spent on his teammates.  Just ask Tom Brady.
 
If this were MLB or even the NBA I would understand.  But it's not.
 
*At most one could maybe argue that it changes the size of the pie within that narrow window but even if so, not by much as most teams spend to the cap every year.
 
edit: cleaned up some stuff.

 
At a minimum, a higher player salary at a particular position would help with future calculations under the franchise tag for other players at that position.

 

[Ed Hillel]

The Bills and Dolphins are also bidding now, right? Likely as a means to get the price higher?

 
Seems unlikely. Neither is going to bid more than the Jets anyway.
 
If Revis doesn't come back and signs for something like 40 million guaranteed, I'm going to forever wonder why the Patriots would go as high as they did on McCourty, but not pay Revis. Age difference and all, but Revis can still bring it and his position has much more of an impact.

 

[amarshal2]

 
At a minimum, a higher player salary at a particular position would help with future calculations under the franchise tag for other players at that position.

 
Yes.  But my point was that this is favoring 5% of the players (those franchised) over the other 95% of the players (those not franchised).  I can see why the PA doesn't want teams to have the ability to get a premium guy for 50% of what his AAV should be, but that really hasn't been a big issue so far.

 

[SeanBerry]

 
Sean Berry, fans of other teams post in here all the time without generating anything along the lines of a freak out.  Gratuitously calling posters in here fanboys is but one example of the kind of nonsense that generates the reaction to your posts.  Have you considered that there are plenty of Yankees fans on this site who post regularly without generating similar reactions?  As detestable as the Jets are, I doubt there are many Pats/Sox fans here who don't dislike the Yankees more than the Jets.

 
Have you considered there are plenty of Pats fans on this site that view that team differently than they view the Sox? And yes, some Pats fans here are horrid fanboys. Some are really intelligent football fans. It's how it goes with every fan base.
 
If you have personal feelings about my posting, please feel free to PM me. I'd be delighted to chat.

 

[bankshot1]

Signing Revis provides Woody with several intangibles, including giving hope to a beleaguered fan base, get them to buy tickets, gives the franchise a buzz, (a lot of buzz left with Rex) and saying FU to the Pats, I think  the overpay is going to be too much to for the Pats to overcome  or for Revis to ignore.

 

[quint]

 
Yes.  But my point was that this is favoring 5% of the players (those franchised) over the other 95% of the players (those not franchised).  I can see why the PA doesn't want teams to have the ability to get a premium guy for 50% of what his AAV should be, but that really hasn't been a big issue so far.

Your point is wrong. It favors every player, the 95%, or whatever made up number you're choosing to throw out there benefits just as much from what the upper tier earns regardless of your stance on it.

It's a real negotiated thing. Happens every few years and such.

 

[Stitch01]

Fitzpatrick isn't a middle of the pack QB unless we are defining middle of the pack to mean like 27th best starting QB or something like that.  Career ANY/A of 5.22, you really have to believe he made a big jump last year in Houston at age 32 to believe he's league averagish.  He's better than Geno Smith was last year, but he's still a terrible primary QB option.

 

[amarshal2]

Your point is wrong. It favors every player, the 95%, or whatever made up number you're choosing to throw out there benefits just as much from what the upper tier earns regardless of your stance on it.

It's a real negotiated thing. Happens every few years and such.

 
You still need to say more.  How does the distribution of player salaries affect the collectively bargained share of NFL revenues that players receive?
 
I still can't tell if you have a good point that I'd like to understand or if you're wrong and being a jackass.

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

3 things favoring Pats over Jets, other than #winning
 
1) State (and if he chooses, city) income tax rate
2) Cost of housing and other living expenses in the 495/1 "valley" vs. NY/NENJ
3) Doesn't appear to be a "glitz and glamour" guy where NY would have an appeal.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

How meaningful is 4:00 today in the end?  I've been operating under the assumption that if it wasn't done by then, Revis would be leaving for sure.  But now I'm starting to wonder whether that deadline is less meaningful than I had assumed.  Sure, the Patriots will want to use their cap space in other ways if they don't sign Revis, but it seems most likely that they'll be signing a bunch of guys from the bargain bin in that scenario and wouldn't necessarily need to move on those guys immediately.

 

[Stitch01]

I had a similar thought, I don't think its as hard of a deadline as I would have thought earlier in the offseason but I don't think its going to drag on very long afterwards either.  I think he's going to get an offer from the Pats at 4 PM or very shortly after and either take it within a short window or the team will move on.

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

Fitzpatrick isn't a middle of the pack QB unless we are defining middle of the pack to mean like 27th best starting QB or something like that.

 
Truth.
 
Just taking Fitzpatrick's career numbers and seeing where they would rank as a QB in 2014:
 
Completion percent (60.2%): 26th
QB Rating (79.5%): 29th
Int rate (3.5%): t-30th
Yards per attempt (6.6): 32nd
 
I mean, the list goes on. The guy had some OK numbers last year, and it shouldn't really surprise anyone. Fitzpatrick has proven throughout his career that he can sustain success in small doses, but has always imploded by years end. It also helps that the majority of his opponents last year were kind of shitty defenses (Redskins, Oakland, Titans twice, Dallas, Indy twice, Pitt, Philly, Jacksonville) all ranking in the bottom half of the league.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

How meaningful is 4:00 today in the end?  I've been operating under the assumption that if it wasn't done by then, Revis would be leaving for sure.  But now I'm starting to wonder whether that deadline is less meaningful than I had assumed.  Sure, the Patriots will want to use their cap space in other ways if they don't sign Revis, but it seems most likely that they'll be signing a bunch of guys from the bargain bin in that scenario and wouldn't necessarily need to move on those guys immediately.

 
The longer Revis stays on the market, the more choices he (probably) has and at higher numbers. That most likely puts Patriots further out if only in dollar terms.

 

[PayrodsFirstClutchHit]

 
You still need to say more.  How does the distribution of player salaries affect the collectively bargained share of NFL revenues that players receive?
 
I still can't tell if you have a good point that I'd like to understand or if you're wrong and being a jackass.

 
It is the "rising tide lifts all boats" argument.  Increasing salaries for players at the top end of the market can help push up the overall team cap calculation in future years.  If top players continue to take discounts to stay with their 1st choice team, that could potentially reduce the amount the team cap would need to increase in future years. 

 

[E5 Yaz]

This has been the end game since the details of the contract became known. There's no surprise here, it was always risk-reward -- with the risk being it could easily be one and done and the reward being that one year might be enough to win a Super Bowl.
 
Even if he leaves for more money, both sides got what they wanted

 

[dcmissle]

How meaningful is 4:00 today in the end?  I've been operating under the assumption that if it wasn't done by then, Revis would be leaving for sure.  But now I'm starting to wonder whether that deadline is less meaningful than I had assumed.  Sure, the Patriots will want to use their cap space in other ways if they don't sign Revis, but it seems most likely that they'll be signing a bunch of guys from the bargain bin in that scenario and wouldn't necessarily need to move on those guys immediately.

Answers in roster construction thread you started?

I give this through tomorrow from Pats' standpoint, then they move on. There is only so much you can accomplish in the draft. I expect they may surprise us if Revis does not get done.

 

[SeanBerry]

 
Truth.
 
Just taking Fitzpatrick's career numbers and seeing where they would rank as a QB in 2014:
 
Completion percent (60.2%): 26th
QB Rating (79.5%): 29th
Int rate (3.5%): t-30th
Yards per attempt (6.6): 32nd
 
I mean, the list goes on. The guy had some OK numbers last year, and it shouldn't really surprise anyone. Fitzpatrick has proven throughout his career that he can sustain success in small doses, but has always imploded by years end. It also helps that the majority of his opponents last year were kind of shitty defenses (Redskins, Oakland, Titans twice, Dallas, Indy twice, Pitt, Philly, Jacksonville) all ranking in the bottom half of the league.

 
That's a really foolish way to rank someone. The game has changed drastically since he's joined the league especially in regards to offensive stats. If you are going to use that as some sort of barometer, you have to look at how all QB's did from 08-14.
 
Why not compare his 2014 stats? He played in 2014! 
 
And there are not 26 better QB options in the league if you are looking at just 2015.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

It is the "rising tide lifts all boats" argument.  Increasing salaries for players at the top end of the market can help push up the overall team cap calculation in future years.  If top players continue to take discounts to stay with their 1st choice team, that could potentially reduce the amount the team cap would need to increase in future years. 

 
But the team cap in the CBA is set by NFL teams' combined revenue, isn't it?  That's totally independent of what one player gets at another's expense.
 
If top players take discounts, then that cap will be spent on other players, as teams bid up for their services.  It will reduce the spread of salaries, but not affect the total amount, because there is still a market for every player's services.  Not to mention, as amarshal said, there's a floor.
 
It doesn't stand to reason that, in a capped league, the distribution of player salaries (and so what heights premium players push salaries to) would affect the total amount of salaries paid.  It's a zero-sum game, because the cap is fixed across the league.  Unless someone can point to something reported or recorded in the last CBA negotiations that showed the former clearly affected the latter, I think the burden of proof is on someone asserting an otherwise-illogical link.
 
edit: this tangent could probably be split out into a "top players, hometown discounts and the salary cap" thread.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

I agree with Berry. He was 18th in ESPN QBR last year. Not a perfect stat but I think you are under estimating the number of bad or overrated qbs in the league. I'm not a Fitzpatrick fan but he's no worse than some of the middle of the pack. After the top 10 there's a huge drop off.

 

[amarshal2]

 
It is the "rising tide lifts all boats" argument.  Increasing salaries for players at the top end of the market can help push up the overall team cap calculation in future years.  If top players continue to take discounts to stay with their 1st choice team, that could potentially reduce the amount the team cap would need to increase in future years. 

 
How does the top players salaries affect the overall team cap calculations?  The cap doesn't go up based on the salaries of the top players.  It goes up based on the calculated share of NFL revenue that players receive.  The words "existing player salaries" are not present at all in the following explanation:
 

How is the NFL Salary Cap determined? 
 
Answer: The Cap is determined through a complicated calculation system, which has changed with the latest extension of the CBA. The Cap is based on income that the teams earn during a League Year. Originally that "pot" was limited to what was known as Defined Gross Revenues (DGR), which consisted of the money earned from the national televison contract, ticket sales, and NFL merchandise sales. In 2006 the CBA was modified, and the "pot" was expanded to include total revenue. Thus, other sources of revenue, including such other items as naming rights and local advertising, were added. As was the case with the original DGR, the expanded revenue is divided equally amongst all 32 teams for purposes of calculating the salary cap.
 
For all of you nerds out there, here is the actual mathematical calculation:
 
The newest edition of the CBA has a term, "All Revenues" (AR), which pretty much includes all revenue streams. The CBA spells ou the particulars over the course of about 10 pages, but in a nutshell the AR includes ticket sales, revenue from luxury box suites and premium seating, local and national broadcasting (TV/radio/Internet) royalties, concessions, parking, local advertising, stadium leasing, and merchadising. The AR is then divided into 3 distinct brackets: League Media (essentially revue from regular-season games), NFL Ventures/Post Season (self-explanatory) and Local (more or less revenue generated from preseason games). Now, fo r the part that you have been waiting for, the distibution of these revenues:
 
   Projected AR x CBA Percentage = Players Share of AR. This is called the Player Cost Amount. For 2011, that amount is $4,556,800,000 (roughly $142.4 M per team).
 
   Player Cost Amount minus Projected League wide Benefits = Amount Available for Player Salaries. For 2011, that amount is $3,852,000,000.
 
   Amount Available for Player Salaries / Number of Teams = Unadjusted Salary Cap per Team. For 2011, that amount is (3,852,000,000/32 =) $120.375 M.
 
   The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/faq.aspx
 
 
I'm not being intentionally obtuse.  I don't think you or quint has explained this position well at all.

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

 
Ryan Fitzpatrick is not a bad QB. He's not good but he's not bad. Geno Smith has been bad the last 2 season. Fitzpatrick (and I know this is far from a perfect stat) had a Top 10 QB rating last year.
 
Once again (for the Pats fanboys who freak out anytime someone doesn't love their favorite team)... Fitzpatrick is not a good QB but he would be an improvement over last year. A middle of the pack QB is "not having" a QB. If we go with Geno next year, then Tom's point stands.

As the leading Ryan Fitzpatrick fan boy in the house, let me second SeanBerry here.  Over a 16 game schedule, he'll have 3 amazing games, 5 stinkers, and 8 that are in the neighborhood of replacement value.  A step up from the other usual suspects (Hoyer, Cassel, McCown -- the Brian Grieses of the world), and a step up over 2014 Geno Smith.  I'd bet a step up over 2015 Geno Smith as well.

 

[soxhop411]

Ryan Hannable ‏@RyanHannable  26s26 seconds ago
John Clayton on MFB: Darrelle Revis has shown ‘willingness’ to work with Patriots, take a discount http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/03/10/john-clayton-on-mfb-darrelle-revis-has-shown-willingness-to-be-able-to-work-with-patriots-and-take-a-discount/ … via @WEEI

 

[mt8thsw9th]

I agree with Berry. He was 18th in ESPN QBR last year. Not a perfect stat but I think you are under estimating the number of bad or overrated qbs in the league. I'm not a Fitzpatrick fan but he's no worse than some of the middle of the pack. After the top 10 there's a huge drop off.

 
He was also throwing to Hopkins, Johnson, and Foster. Adjusting for the quality of personnel, it's not out of bounds to say he's a step below "middle of the pack".

 

[DaughtersofDougMirabelli]

I agree with Berry. He was 18th in ESPN QBR last year. Not a perfect stat but I think you are under estimating the number of bad or overrated qbs in the league. I'm not a Fitzpatrick fan but he's no worse than some of the middle of the pack. After the top 10 there's a huge drop off.

 
Fitzpatrick had one really, really, really good game that is skewing his numbers.
 
Home against Tennessee:
24/33 72.7%, 358 YDS, 6 TDs, 0 INTS, 10.85 Y/C, 147.5 Rating

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Ryan Hannable ‏@RyanHannable  26s26 seconds ago
John Clayton on MFB: Darrelle Revis has shown ‘willingness’ to work with Patriots, take a discount http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/03/10/john-clayton-on-mfb-darrelle-revis-has-shown-willingness-to-be-able-to-work-with-patriots-and-take-a-discount/ … via @WEEI
 

 
Once again, as with Schefter and Deflategate, when the ESPN guys go on a local station, they have been saying things favorable to the local spin.

 

[Shelterdog]

 
Fitzpatrick had one really, really, really good game that is skewing his numbers.
 
Home against Tennessee:
24/33 72.7%, 358 YDS, 6 TDs, 0 INTS, 10.85 Y/C, 147.5 Rating

 
And he also only played 11.25 games before he got hurt.  If he plays next year I think he stays a lot closer to his career average than he does to his career year in 2015 numbers.

 

[Ed Hillel]

 
Once again, as with Schefter and Deflategate, when the ESPN guys go on a local station, they have been saying things favorable to the local spin.

 
It's also pure conjecture. His "willingness to take a discount" comes from Revis taking 12 last year coming off of a 16 million dollar contract. He may have been willing to take less to bank more this year.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

That's a really foolish way to rank someone. The game has changed drastically since he's joined the league especially in regards to offensive stats. If you are going to use that as some sort of barometer, you have to look at how all QB's did from 08-14.
 
Why not compare his 2014 stats? He played in 2014! 
 
And there are not 26 better QB options in the league if you are looking at just 2015.

 
Berry is right; Fitzpatrick is probably close to a league-average quarterback, which is a huge upgrade over Geno Smith.
 
In basic passing stats, Fitzpatrick ranked 9th in Passer Rating (95.3), 20th in QBR (55.3), and a bold-face 6th in ANY/A with 7.15, ahead of Brady, Wilson, Brees, Flacco, Rivers and so on.  In terms of avoiding sacks (obviously a function of OL as well, but still a QB skill), he's no Nick Foles or Peyton, but he was 18th at 6.3, in the neighborhood of Romo and Rivers.  He was roughly-average 18th in INT% (2.6%), perfectly respectable, throwing 8 in 12 starts.
 
By those same measures, Geno was 29th in Passer Rating (77.5), 32nd of 33 qualifiers in QBR (35.4), 31st in ANY/A, 23rd in sack rate, and 29th in INT%.  He's terrible, probably worse than Garoppolo.
 
There are flaws in PF-Ref's AV methodologies, but it's the closest thing we have to WAR.  His AV of 9 last year (and avg of last 4 years = 10) is perfectly respectable and middle of the league.  Geno was at 7 and 6 these past two years.
 
I wish Berry wasn't so antagonistic about Pats fans here, but when he's talking football he's usually right.
 
edit: and I see that taking 15 mins to draft a reply makes me 8th in line.  Guess BBTL has no offseason!

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
It's also pure conjecture. His "willingness to take a discount" comes from Revis taking 12 last year coming off of a 16 million dollar contract. He may have been willing to take less to bank more this year.

 
Absolutely, which is why using Revis as an example of a player "willing to take less" has been disingenuous from the start. He gambled on himself having a strong, injury-free year -- which would lead to a bigger payday a year later. It had little to do with taking less because he wanted to join the Patriots. If that were true, there wouldn't have been a $20M in the first place

 

[DJnVa]

 
It's also pure conjecture.

 
That's all ANY of this is.
 
At least this conjecture is in our direction.

 

[DJnVa]

 
Fitzpatrick had one really, really, really good game that is skewing his numbers.
 
Home against Tennessee:
24/33 72.7%, 358 YDS, 6 TDs, 0 INTS, 10.85 Y/C, 147.5 Rating

 
His QB rating without that game is 86.7, which puts him 20th.
 
Of course, he did actually have that game, so it should count.

 

[tims4wins]

 
Fitzpatrick had one really, really, really good game that is skewing his numbers.
 
Home against Tennessee:
24/33 72.7%, 358 YDS, 6 TDs, 0 INTS, 10.85 Y/C, 147.5 Rating

 
Removing that one game reduces his passer rating from 95.3 to 86.7, which would place him at 20th in 2014. Every game obviously counts, but that one game really skewed things.
 
For what it is worth, here was his QB rating distribution (not counting his last game)
> 100: 4 of 11
80-100: 4 of 11
60-80: 2 of 11
< 60: 1 of 11
 
vs. Geno:
> 100: 1 of 14
80-100: 6 of 14
60-80: 4 of 14
< 60: 3 of 14
 
So 3 of Fitz's 11 games were under 60, vs. 7 of 14 for Geno. That is clearly a step up. That said, even if it is a two win improvement, I still don't see how that gets them in the playoffs. As someone else said upthread, absolute best case for the NYJ is a 9-7 or 10-6 6th seed type of year. If Revis wants to risk that, that is his call.

 

[Super Nomario]

As the leading Ryan Fitzpatrick fan boy in the house, let me second SeanBerry here.  Over a 16 game schedule, he'll have 3 amazing games, 5 stinkers, and 8 that are in the neighborhood of replacement value.  A step up from the other usual suspects (Hoyer, Cassel, McCown -- the Brian Grieses of the world), and a step up over 2014 Geno Smith.  I'd bet a step up over 2015 Geno Smith as well.

After reading your description ... how is that different than Hoyer / Cassel / McCown? To me, they all serve the same purpose: a defined floor. That has real value to the Jets, who had two guys in Geno and Vick that had basically unlimited floors. Fitz' best skill is unloading the ball quickly (sometimes stupidly, but quickly), which should help behind an OL that figures to be pretty weak. 
 

In basic passing stats, Fitzpatrick ranked 9th in Passer Rating (95.3), 20th in QBR (55.3), and a bold-face 6th in ANY/A with 7.15, ahead of Brady, Wilson, Brees, Flacco, Rivers and so on.  In terms of avoiding sacks (obviously a function of OL as well, but still a QB skill), he's no Nick Foles or Peyton, but he was 18th at 6.3, in the neighborhood of Romo and Rivers.  He was roughly-average 18th in INT% (2.6%), perfectly respectable, throwing 8 in 12 starts.

... in 2014. I'm not sold he's turned a corner at age 31. And ANYA already counts skill avoiding sacks (something Fitzpatrick is quite good at).
 

There are flaws in PF-Ref's AV methodologies, but it's the closest thing we have to WAR.  His AV of 9 last year (and avg of last 4 years = 10) is perfectly respectable and middle of the league.  Geno was at 7 and 6 these past two years.

Nooooo ... nooo ... no. You can't use AV for stuff like this. PFRef is pretty upfront that you can't use AV for stuff like this. Almost any stat is going to be more valid than AV for this.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Will someone split out the Ryan Fitzpatrick stuff? I'm tired of checking in to read the new posts and finding nothing about Revis

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

https://twitter.com/WEEI/status/575351438714392576

 

[TheoShmeo]

Unless Clayton is basing his comments on sources he is not disclosing, his musings don't add to our knowledge base or reasons to feel good about a Revis return to NE, sadly enough. 
 
As to Fitzpatrick, whether he is middle of the pack or near the bottom of the pack shouldn't change Revis' calculation much.  What I mean is that very few teams without upper tier QBs win multiple games in January/February.  There are of course exceptions, such as Trent Dilfer.  But look, for example, at the final four QBs this year; they're the ones that Andre Johnson wants to catch passes from and for good reason.  If Revis values being on a team that can make some real noise in the playoffs, the distinctions being debated here don't seem all that relevant to his decision. 
 
For my part, I hope the Jets get Fitzpatrick.  He's better than Smith (putting aside Geno's tendency to elevate his game against the Pats), but I never worried much about Fitzpatrick being a difference maker in Pats-Bills games, and he seemed to be one of those QBs who can be counted on to shoot his team's chances in the foot as the game moved along.  I know that those games took place before 2014 and I take the point that the game has changed and the recent numbers may be more indicative.  At the same time, discounting his past entirely seems irrational to me. 

 

[Boon]

Will someone split out the Ryan Fitzpatrick stuff? I'm tired of checking in to read the new posts and finding nothing about Revis

Seriously.  How the hell did you people derail a thread about Revis into a debate about Fitzpatrick?  Good lord.  

 

[tims4wins]

Seriously.  How the hell did you people derail a thread about Revis into a debate about Fitzpatrick?  Good lord.  

 
 
You must be new here

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Unless Clayton is basing his comments on sources he is not disclosing, his musings don't add to our knowledge base or reasons to feel good about a Revis return to NE, sadly enough. 
 
 

 
John Clayton's tweets provoke us to talk about John Clayton and his tweets, which is good for John Clayton.  Until the masses understand this dynamic, we'll have such "hot take" tweets re-tweeted ad nauseam, not only for this but for all "developing" topics in every sport.  Such re-tweets will dominate the site and serve as "noise"...wait a minute...  
 
EDIT: And I know that it wasn't a "Clayton tweet", but that's not really the point.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

Seriously.  How the hell did you people derail a thread about Revis into a debate about Fitzpatrick?  Good lord.  

 
Right now, the Pats are the most interesting Boston sports team, unless you're super into Providence College men's bball.
 
WE HAVE NOTHING LEFT.  LET US HAVE THESE SCRAPS.

 

[Mugsy's Walk-Off Bunt]

I'm assuming, which I know I shouldn't do, that Clayton is insinuating that DURING THIS NEGOTIATION Revis has shown a willingness to be flexible with (and maybe take less than he could get from, say, the jets than) the Patriots. But that's giving him a ton of credit, based solely on the fact that he wears glasses.

 

[Ed Hillel]

 
That's all ANY of this is.
 
At least this conjecture is in our direction.

 
Right, I was just pointing out that the headline was misleading, suggesting it was actually based on reliable information.

 

[brandonchristensen]

 
 
You must be new here

It's better than blackjack talk.

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

Revis loved playing for the Pats this year - that's what he told me at the bar at the Super Bowl after-party, anyway. I told him if he stayed he wouldn't have to pay me ten bucks or anything

 

[Jnai]

Revis loved playing for the Pats this year - that's what he told me at the bar at the Super Bowl after-party, anyway. I told him if he stayed he wouldn't have to pay me ten bucks or anything

 
Did you get a picture of him in the "drunk bitches love me" shirt?

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

 
Did you get a picture of him in the "drunk bitches love me" shirt?

No, I told him only if he re-signs