Revis: Reportedly Signs with the Jets
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Papelbon's Poutine said:
BrunanskysSlide said:
One way to interpret the fact that there has been no announcement of any punishment is that the league is waiting to see how it plays out. I kind of think Curran is correct that the tampering already has done its damage, though. If the Jets sign him, it will be most egregious, but even if they don't, it has potentially driven up the price for a division opponent to re-sign a player.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
I'm kind of curious why this matters. Nobody is a free agent until tomorrow at 4:00 anyway. I don't think declining the option makes Revis a free agent all of the sudden -- he becomes a free agent tomorrow when everyone else does.
Of course it matters. If the paperwork isn't filed to the league, he's still a Patriot and no one can talk to him.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
If the paperwork is filed to the league he's still a Patriot until 4 tomorrow. We're talking about his 2015 option here.
Edit - never mind, I'm not smart at the football.
Edit - never mind, I'm not smart at the football.
The whole concept of a "legal tampering period" is just so hilariously NFL.
As far as Revis, I still think he's back, likely before midnight tomorrow.
As far as Revis, I still think he's back, likely before midnight tomorrow.
So, this is all an abstract issue, isn't it? I get that the league has waived a big stick this morning about the three-day tampering window and suggested it might take action, but it's been pretty clear since this weekend that the Jets have been treating Revis as within the category of "prospective UFA" or whatever language the three-day tamper NFL memo uses. Nobody is seriously suggesting or thinking that Revis's agents hasn't been talking to the Jets, are they?
I guess I'd also go back to the question whether there is even anything for the Patriots to "file" with the league here before 4:00 tomorrow. If they don't pick up the option, it simply expires.
I guess I'd also go back to the question whether there is even anything for the Patriots to "file" with the league here before 4:00 tomorrow. If they don't pick up the option, it simply expires.
You have to file paperwork to formally void the 2015 contract. You just don't say hey we're not picking it up to the player and that's it.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
RedOctober3829 said:
Well, that sounds like a simple "cut" not an option, but whatever the semantics, there is nothing on the NFL wire, according to Fox sports, from the Patriots for 3/9. http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/transactions?year=2015&month=3&type=0
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Well, we also know they signed McCourty today and that's not there either, so I would assume the fact that it's been reported they aren't picking up the option is legit.
Not sure why any of this matters. At 4 pm tomorrow we'll know either way, if he hasn't agreed with NE, he's free to go anywhere he wants, or he's playing for $25 million.
Volin tweeted that the Revis move wasn't on the NFL transaction wire. As stated above, he's still a Patriot for the next 15 hours or so
Jnai said:
Correct. I figure the only formal thing it does is permit the Jets/KC/? to openly discuss potential contract with his agents. (You could imagine his agent telling the Pats that they think the market is 3/55 and using the putative Jets potential offer as a stalking horse while at the same time refusing to say precisely what the offer is because, you know, the Jets can't exactly give a formal offer to Revis given the pending tampering charge).
Having read articles in the Boston, NY and national media, it's interesting the extent to which no one really has a clue what Revis will do. Both the NY Post and Daily News laid out the arguments for NY and NE this morning, in a pretty much down the middle sort of way, and none of the authors seems to have much of a leaning.
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I remain unconvinced that it's down to the Jets and Patriots if he hits free agency. I have a difficult time understanding why a team like the Eagles wouldn't throw money his way, maybe even the Colts, though they have other issues. Green Bay and Detroit are a couple others who could possibly swing it. KC has been mentioned, though their cap situation is crazy being over the cap, but with a ton of options to free up money.
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Who else is fighting to get into mix for Darrelle Revis besides #Jets and #Patriots? #Browns, #Raiders, and #Chiefs (Bob Sutton connection)
Who else is fighting to get into mix for Darrelle Revis besides #Jets and #Patriots? #Browns, #Raiders, and #Chiefs (Bob Sutton connection)
I find it kind of crazy that Revis drawing interest from other teams had been reported on the same way that every other free agent has been reported on during the legal tampering period...because Revis isn't a free agent and it's not legal to tamper with him. It was at this realization that I had a hallucination/dream/fantasy about Belichick and Revis having agreed on a contract a week ago and then conspiring to set a sting operation on all the teams who would undoubtedly be tampering to sign Revis. So far the Jets and Browns and Chiefs are losing draft picks and facing public humiliation for their outright cheating. Don't pinch me.
RedOctober3829 said:
The presence of the Browns and the Raiders is what might send Revis to New York. I think the Pats and KC are fucked with two teams that can offer stupid money in the mix, especially since the Raiders have a huge need to offer cash. Revis told Oakland not to call him last year, and there is no way he will sign with them, but they should help add a few million to the price.
Why would that send Revis to NY? He'd go to NY if the Jets offered a stupid amount of money independent of anybody else.Gunfighter 09 said:
Gunfighter 09 said:
They won't do anything for Revis. They are a loser franchise who he will tell to get lost.
RedOctober3829 said:
I think the theory is that Oakland will offer insane money that Revis won't accept, but that puts a higher number in play for the Jets. Revis notably keeps his cards close to his vest, so he won't reject Oakland outright, but he'll bring that number back to the Jets.
I want Revis back with the Patriots in the worst way. But if Revis goes back to the Jets, I will have two conflicting emotions.
First, I will be grateful for him being a humongous part of bringing another Super Bowl championship back to Foxboro. He really was phenomenal this past season. I loved watching him play for the Pats. And as we all have felt, this SB title was perhaps the sweetest one of them all, for a host of reasons. I will forever appreciate his role in that.
Second, I will hope that he will watch whatever crap they throw out there at QB, and think fondly of Tom Brady and what he had in New England, and he will see his Jets finish 7-9 while New England *AGAIN* goes 12-4 or 13-3 and wins the AFC East and goes at least to the AFC Championship game, and, no matter how much extra money he may have gotten from Gang Green, for the rest of his career regrets leaving the Patriots.
First, I will be grateful for him being a humongous part of bringing another Super Bowl championship back to Foxboro. He really was phenomenal this past season. I loved watching him play for the Pats. And as we all have felt, this SB title was perhaps the sweetest one of them all, for a host of reasons. I will forever appreciate his role in that.
Second, I will hope that he will watch whatever crap they throw out there at QB, and think fondly of Tom Brady and what he had in New England, and he will see his Jets finish 7-9 while New England *AGAIN* goes 12-4 or 13-3 and wins the AFC East and goes at least to the AFC Championship game, and, no matter how much extra money he may have gotten from Gang Green, for the rest of his career regrets leaving the Patriots.
I think the combination of the Jets overpaying Revis plus his return to NYC as a hero leading GG back to a possible return to glory outweighs the uncertainty of a new GM and coach, the certainty of Butthead Johnson, and the possibility of adding another ring with BB and Brady.
I think this one is mostly about the $.
I hope I'm wrong.
I think this one is mostly about the $.
I hope I'm wrong.
bankshot1 said:
I'd reluctantly agree, except for the horrendous void at QB. That team will struggle until it can find someone who is at least competent. Revis himself has a sell-by date, and he may not want to use it up with a mediocre team.
Hasn't Revis always been all about the dollars though? I'll be surprised if he returns to the Pats.bankshot1 said:
There's nothing wrong about Revis promoting and fighting for his self-interest. IMO if the Pats were close to the Jets he'd make that sacrifice, but I get the sense the Jets are going to make it about impossible for the Pats to come close.
gryoung said:
He said he took less to join the 2014 Pats. It worked out well for him. McCourty said he thinks the Pats just need to get to a certain number. I'll be pretty surprised if he chases the dollars to a team that has literally no hope of competing for a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years.
The "all about the dollars" meme is too simplistic. Very few people are that binary. It's hard to believe that Revis isn't going to take into account multiple factors -- total dollars, guaranteed dollars, term, chances of winning in short and long term, location, comfort with coaches, etc. -- as opposed to auctioning himself off to the highest bidder without regard to the other factors.
I continue to believe that if the Pats are in the ballpark, they will get him. But I'm more certain that he's not a one factor pony. That said, If he indeed goes to the Jets or some other team that is not an apparent contender, those believing in the meme will declare that they were right all along. Life is rarely that one dimensional.
I continue to believe that if the Pats are in the ballpark, they will get him. But I'm more certain that he's not a one factor pony. That said, If he indeed goes to the Jets or some other team that is not an apparent contender, those believing in the meme will declare that they were right all along. Life is rarely that one dimensional.
I think hes coming back. If anything this feels like he's trying to squeeze the Pats since random teams are coming out such as the Chiefs and Browns who have pressing needs elsewhere. Yes he is about the money but I think he might want to screw with Woody a little here.TheoShmeo said:
Going to the highest bidder isn't necessarily about self-interest. There is a ton of pressure from the PA on these top players to continue escalating the market as their number affects both future FA as well as those given the franchise tag.bankshot1 said:
It isn't black and white about Revis being selfish or what he necessarily wants. There are other factors in play that he most likely respects as it are these factors which contributed to his contracts over the years.
Taking a few dollars less is one thing.....taking several million less is a different conversation.
We have always known that if Revis is trying to maximize every last dollar, he is gone and good luck with what is likely to be losing team. Raiders, jags, jets, Browns, none are likely to even be .500 even with Revis. If the Pats are in the ballpark though, there is little chance revis jumps to me, winning is too big of a factor for someone who has perpetually lost before last season.
Otis Foster said:
Revis is smart enough to know that this Jet roster is not close to being 'back to glory' either. If he goes there it's for the city/money not because he truly believes they can win next few years while he's there, imo.
HomeRunBaker said:
People often say this but I don't get it. Why would the NFL PA care so much more about the stars getting big contracts than the other 95% of players who aren't stars?
Essentially, none of these contracts players sign have an impact on the size of the pie that the players receive. There's a hard salary cap and a hard spending floor.* What they are doing is negotiating over the distribution of the pie between the players. Every dollar that Revis gets from the Pats is a dollar Bill likely would have spent on someone else...somebody who probably isn't a star but a mid-level veteran FA.
By this logic, Revis should seek to optimize his own happiness and not feel concerned about pressure from the NFL PA. The money will be spent on players regardless of the outcome of his negotiation. You can even argue that taking less money is in his own interest depending on how much he values winning. This is because that money left on the table will specifically be spent on his teammates. Just ask Tom Brady.
If this were MLB or even the NBA I would understand. But it's not.
*At most one could maybe argue that it changes the size of the pie within that narrow window but even if so, not by much as most teams spend to the cap every year.
edit: cleaned up some stuff.
PedroKsBambino said:
Legacy too. Aside from retiring his number, maybe Woody would offer to commission a Revis statue and buy an island named for him off the Jersey coast.
PedroKsBambino said:
I think people are selling the Jets a little short. They went 3-4 down the stretch and were competitive in every game but one. They have added Brandon Marshall to the offense and their biggest weakness was at CB so adding Revis would go a long way towards shoring that up.
If they add Revis and some other pieces with their 40M in cap space they would be as good a bet to compete for the WC spot as any other WC team next season.
The Browns/Jags/Raiders are a different story IMO.
So your stance, and please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is that no NFL free agent contract that's been signed has ever had an impact on the maximum or minimum player salary?amarshal2 said:
Interesting.
The NFL PA is almost pitifully weak. I see no one strong arming Revis into something he really doesn't want to do, much less the NFL PA.HomeRunBaker said:
And in any case, the PA owes Revis one for the way he steamrolled Tanny, Woody and Rex while under an ironclad contract.
j44thor said:
THEY DON'T HAVE A QB.
Seriously they have so many holes there is a conceivable route to be a playoff contender. Maybe just maybe everything goes their way and they can sneak into a WC spot but it is highly doubtful.
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