Dolphins: Year Tua

Should Miami Trade for Deshaun Watson

  • Yes. Deshaun is a star. Take the known entity.

    Votes: 68 70.8%
  • No. Build around Tua and forge a stronger overall team.

    Votes: 28 29.2%

  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .

sodenj5

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Lots of details in this report from Barry Jackson:

https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article256841207.html

Essentially saying that Flores was running the organization but wanted to actually run the organization and cut out Grier as the middle man.

Grier essentially signed and drafted every guy Flores wanted but it still wasn’t enough for the two of them to coexist.

Other things that we’ve heard the last day or so that he was generally difficult to work with and didn’t have a great relationship with many people in the building.

Some of this is certainly leaking in order to justify the firing, FWIW.
 

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Daboll probably continues to make the most sense. I do like the McDaniel is high on the list. This is is second interview with Miami, so clearly they liked some of what they heard last year when he interviewed for the OC job.

View: https://twitter.com/jaimeeisner/status/1481648463456600066?s=21
As high as a lot of folks are on McDaniel - and the more I see of him / read about him the more I like him - he seems destined to fail spectacularly in his first coaching gig just due to his entire style. I'm rooting for the guy and think he might have a really bright future. And I'm not sure how he can gain the necessary experience without actually being a HC. A dilemma for sure.
 

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As high as a lot of folks are on McDaniel - and the more I see of him / read about him the more I like him - he seems destined to fail spectacularly in his first coaching gig just due to his entire style. I'm rooting for the guy and think he might have a really bright future. And I'm not sure how he can gain the necessary experience without actually being a HC. A dilemma for sure.
I think that’s why if he becomes a head coach, getting a guy like Zimmer or Fangio to run the other side of the ball and be a guiding voice would be critical. I always go back to McVay and Wade Phillips being paired together and how that likely made McVay’s transition to head coach much smoother.

If McDaniel says essentially he will staff and run the offense and he wants to retain Boyer to run the defense, I would feel far more bearish on that setup and staff.

Your point is well taken though. One of the things I admired about Flores is he felt like a leader first and foremost. Being a head coach is far more than being the offensive playcaller without oversight. It felt like that was Gase’s primary motivation for being a coach.
 

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Lots of details in this report from Barry Jackson:

https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article256841207.html

Essentially saying that Flores was running the organization but wanted to actually run the organization and cut out Grier as the middle man.

Grier essentially signed and drafted every guy Flores wanted but it still wasn’t enough for the two of them to coexist.

Other things that we’ve heard the last day or so that he was generally difficult to work with and didn’t have a great relationship with many people in the building.

Some of this is certainly leaking in order to justify the firing, FWIW.
This too, but if true he really sounds like kind of a jerk

https://news.google.com/articles/CBMifGh0dHBzOi8vYmxlYWNoZXJyZXBvcnQuY29tL2FydGljbGVzLzEwMDIzNzU0LXJlcG9ydC1icmlhbi1mbG9yZXMtbm90LXNoeS1hYm91dC10ZWxsaW5nLXR1YS10YWdvdmFpbG9hLWhlLXByZWZlcnJlZC1tYWMtam9uZXPSAYwBaHR0cHM6Ly9zeW5kaWNhdGlvbi5ibGVhY2hlcnJlcG9ydC5jb20vYW1wLzEwMDIzNzU0LXJlcG9ydC1icmlhbi1mbG9yZXMtbm90LXNoeS1hYm91dC10ZWxsaW5nLXR1YS10YWdvdmFpbG9hLWhlLXByZWZlcnJlZC1tYWMtam9uZXMuYW1wLmh0bWw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
 

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That story is strange. Flores couldn't have picked Jones instead of Tua. He could have picked Herbert. Either they screwed up the quote, or the reporter didn't get the context properly
Lombardi fucked this up I think.
 

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It makes sense to me, though it's worded awkwardly. He wasn't going to draft Jones instead of Tua, he would have given up on Tua (after one year) and drafted Jones. Presumably Tua would've been traded for something after that. This feels like a bit of a hatchet job, but I guess we'll see.
 

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Many guys will claw eyes out to get any head coaching job, but if I’m a guy with options I’m not thrilled about the prospect of walking into a ‘Make it work with Tua to the tune of becoming a regular playoff team or else’ situation.
 

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Many guys will claw eyes out to get any head coaching job, but if I’m a guy with options I’m not thrilled about the prospect of walking into a ‘Make it work with Tua to the tune of becoming a regular playoff team or else’ situation.
It really should be, Tua makes it work this year, or they move on from him.
It’s a tough situation, because so far it really looks like he needs a specific system to succeed and Tua hasn’t shown enough where I’d feel confident about using resources to bring in players that specifically fit what he does well.

My hope would be that Tua and the new coach would meet somewhere in the middle.
As opposed to the nightmare scenario I’m thinking of where the team limits their search to someone willing to design an offense for Tua, then they draft and sign guys to fit a heavy rpo scheme, only for them to move on from Tua in a year or two and be left with a roster of players that don’t fit the next offense.
 

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It really should be, Tua makes it work this year, or they move on from him.
It’s a tough situation, because so far it really looks like he needs a specific system to succeed and Tua hasn’t shown enough where I’d feel confident about using resources to bring in players that specifically fit what he does well.

My hope would be that Tua and the new coach would meet somewhere in the middle.
As opposed to the nightmare scenario I’m thinking of where the team limits their search to someone willing to design an offense for Tua, then they draft and sign guys to fit a heavy rpo scheme, only for them to move on from Tua in a year or two and be left with a roster of players that don’t fit the next offense.
I’m not 100% sure that Tua needs a specific system to win. The Alabama offense evolved and changed year to year as they turned over their coordinators each year Tua was there. He played for Daboll, Locksley, and Sarkisian in three years. He’s played in a variety of different offenses, but everyone now says he needs to play in an RPO offense to succeed.

I think Tua can execute the RPO offense as good as anyone in the league. He has great footwork, a great feel for the reads, and gets the ball out super quick. But I also think he can thrive in a west coast offense. I think he would thrive in a Shanahan wide zone/PA rollout offense.

Miami oddly made little use of Tua’s mobility. Maybe in part to protect him in his rookie year, but he has decent mobility. When he is decisive and pulls the ball down to run like we saw vs NE, he showed he still has some wheels.

What I’m saying is Tua certainly has limitations to his game, but I’m also not convinced that having him run an RPO heavy scheme is the absolute pinnacle of his utilization in the NFL.
 

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Well, I hope the team is thinking like you @sodenj5
I really don’t know the answer, but I’m fine finding out. I guess that was what I was getting at…I hope it’s a McDaniel or Daboll that is installing Tua into their system (and obviously adding concepts that should help Tua succeed to that).
 

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Interesting name Miami has requested as an interview:

View: https://twitter.com/tompelissero/status/1482042805681852422?s=21


This feels like it would be more along the lines of a Brian Flores type of hire than hiring a specific offensive or defensive coordinator. Obviously Flores was unofficially the defensive coordinator in New England. Would be interesting to see how Brown intends to fill out a staff.

Was reading this article on Brown and it certainly gave me that Flores-esque leader-first type of guy.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks//rams-assistant-brown-capitalizing-on-opportunity-from-mcvay/

An extremely pertinent quote in the wake of the Flores firing from Brown in that article.

“I think too often, many guys in the coaching profession try to emulate the guy they learned the most from,” Brown said. “To me, that’s the difference between learning from guys and being yourself. I’ve learned from a lot of people, but I’m going to be myself until the day I die.”
 

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Some Mike McDaniel propaganda.

View: https://twitter.com/qbcollective/status/1482279789540958208?s=21


Interesting to note that Miami has not queued up to interview Doug Pederson as of yet. I was listening to the 3YPC podcast and they speculated that it may be that Pederson is too tight with some folks in the building. IE he’s a golf buddy of Marino and has ties to some other guys. They might be looking for a clean slate to start with so they can evaluate without bias.
 

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Seems weird given that Deshaun is far from in the clear with the NFL’s punishment still looming.
I mean, Flores is clearly thinking beyond just 2022. Even if Watson has to sit an entire year, which would be both unlikely and unprecedented, he’s still very much in his prime for another 5 or 6 years beyond that.

Watson likely has the ability to make most, if not all of the suits go away. He just hasn’t because he doesn’t want to play for Houston. He also has a no-trade clause and can dictate where he goes.
 

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I mean, Flores is clearly thinking beyond just 2022. Even if Watson has to sit an entire year, which would be both unlikely and unprecedented, he’s still very much in his prime for another 5 or 6 years beyond that.

Watson likely has the ability to make most, if not all of the suits go away. He just hasn’t because he doesn’t want to play for Houston. He also has a no-trade clause and can dictate where he goes.
Truthfully, not the worst strategy since a HC can only do so much with a sub-par QB situation. But since Watson won’t go back to Houston, that kind of complicates things. NYG would be an interesting location if Mara can work his favored son standing with Goodell.
 

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LOL, you wouldn't jump at the chance to leave Miami for Buffalo in mid-January? A nice little getaway to the frozen bowels of hell?
Maybe Ross had a craving for wings and figured he could bang out the interviews and hit Anchor Bar in one stop.