Yes but the old school rap references in every presser would make it worth it.Hearing 50 references a year to his Yale education will be a hoot.
That’s certainly one of the concerns with McDaniel, but you never know how OCs or coaches are going to fare until they’re tasked with it. Listening to him speak about coaching in general, he seems to have a ton of self awareness, trickling down from Kyle Shanahan.McDaniel would be fascinating. As a younger Pats fan (i.e., not scarred by history prior to the mid-90s), I don’t have the same antagonistic passion toward the Dolphins as some older fans (aside from the Pats sucking in Miami over the last 20 years). It’s not that I’d be rooting for them, but similar to Flores, I wouldn’t be totally rooting agains them at all costs. My guess is that while McDaniel might be a fantastic innovator and brilliant offensive mind, it’s hard to imagine him having the leadership / organizational / people skills to succeed immediately. Almost like an offensive version of Bill Belichick with the Browns.
He seems cool but I could learn to hate him.Despite the Harbaugh hype, Mike McDaniel spent most of the day today with the Dolphins.
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I think the 15th pick deserves to go to New England over tampering.It’s being discussed in the Flores thread, but I figured we can discuss the Dolphins specific accusations here:
Ross offered Flores incentive to lose games. This is bad no matter how you spin it.
He alleges that Ross tried setting up a meeting with an unnamed QB at the end of the 2020 season. Speculation is Tom Brady, but Joe Schad said he was told it was not Deshaun Watson.
Flores then tried to pain the picture that because he refused to lose games (fair) and because he refused to meet with this unknown QB, he was labeled as difficult and hard to work with.
I think it’s possible Miami gets sanctioned over the incentives for losing games. I don’t think Ross will be forced to sell the team. At the end of the day, there are owners that have done far worse in recent history.
Miami has the Niners pick this year. You can have the 29th pick.I think the 15th pick deserves to go to New England over tampering.
Keep in mind, at the time of this alleged incentivized tanking, the QB they were eyeing was likely Tua and not Joe Burrow.So...Flores wouldn't tank for Burrow, which forced Grier to draft Tua at #5 the following year. And then Flores gets canned in part because of his poor relationship with / non-belief in Tua? Do I have that right?
Dolphins interview for McDaniel now scheduled for Friday.Barry Jackson tweeted that the Schultz tweet was made up, apparently McDaniel’s second interview is Thursday.
Should be fun now…
I’m once again embarrassed to be a Dolphins fan, but it’s less about anything Ross did, and more so the reactions I’ve seen from Dolphins fans on Reddit and other forums…the amount of people that are speaking about Flores like he’s not even a human being is just disgusting.
Isn’t Ross contributing to this treatment of Flores? Not suggesting he’s responsible for all of it, but he’s certainly going on the attack as well, which I am sure is riling people up.Barry Jackson tweeted that the Schultz tweet was made up, apparently McDaniel’s second interview is Thursday.
Should be fun now…
I’m once again embarrassed to be a Dolphins fan, but it’s less about anything Ross did, and more so the reactions I’ve seen from Dolphins fans on Reddit and other forums…the amount of people that are speaking about Flores like he’s not even a human being is just disgusting.
I think anytime race is brought into the equation, people immediately go on the defensive because it’s a sensitive topic for a number of reasons.Isn’t Ross contributing to this treatment of Flores? Not suggesting he’s responsible for all of it, but he’s certainly going on the attack as well, which I am sure is riling people up.
The fan base hates Ross more than Flores.Isn’t Ross contributing to this treatment of Flores? Not suggesting he’s responsible for all of it, but he’s certainly going on the attack as well, which I am sure is riling people up.
I would agree on most of what you said.Personally, I just see Flores as an intense alpha personality.
I’ve been around the sport enough to have seen this type in action and therefore I’m not shocked with the stories that have come out, specifically when you see where the criticisms have come from.
For instance, one of the players that seemed to be happy Flores was fired was Parker. If we’re playing word association with Parker, what’s one of the first things that’sto come up? Often injured? Not reaching potential? Spoiler alert: alpha coach views lingering injuries as a sign of weakness, you’re a player that can’t be counted on.
This could have also applied to Tua. Where Flores was not going to be the type to be empathetic toward a young QB with injuries and rookie/2nd year struggles. It’s give me the guy that will run through the proverbial brick wall and help me win.
More often than not alpha personalities are going to clash with those that aren’t. As an outsider, it certainly appears that Grier and Ross are not such personalities. So again, not surprised there was a clash.
Admittedly this is conjecture on my part, but from everything we know, if there was an issue between Flores and Grier, I’d bet money on Flores confronting Grier to his face, while Grier would likely go complain to someone else. And I’m a situation like that, each individual thinks their chosen response in correct and winds up resenting the way the other person handles it.
The Flores type has been prevalent in the sport since an NFL roster will greatly consist of alpha types. The irony to me has been the fan reaction, since it seems they tend to clamor for the intense hard ass leader of men type…yet that’s not the case with Flores.
Not sure if any of that make sense and I realize it’s a lot of assumptions on my part, but connecting the dots, that’s what I’m seeing and I felt weird not trying to detail some of it, while criticizing what I was seeing elsewhere.
In a perfect world you have a coach that is able to wear multiple hats, depending on the situation and the players involved. As with most things in life, either extreme isn’t ideal…be it hard ass alpha leader, or passive players coach….but it’s generally easier to lean one or the other. Being able to balance it is difficult, and it’s not always easy to find.
With some of the way society, and the modern athlete is changing, I think the Flores-type is becoming antiquated…which is more than fine by me.I would agree on most of what you said.
Flores is a guy that will likely be better if he gets a second opportunity. He might realize that he can’t treat his QB like a third string MLB and he can’t churn through and grind his coaching staff at the rate he did in Miami.
As much as football is about tactics, it’s also very much about relationships and having everyone in the building in the same page, pulling in the same direction at the same time. It became clear that was no longer the case in Miami.
Fair points.With some of the way society, and the modern athlete is changing, I think the Flores-type is becoming antiquated…which is more than fine by me.
I guess typing that out at length made me realize that moving on from Flores may not have been the worst thing.
The other thing I did start to wonder, considering the suit, how much race may have played in some of his decision making …meaning, if you’re an African American in a situation where you’re questioning if you’re being set up to fail from the start and you know you’re unlikely to get a second chance if you fail…I can see how that may cause someone to be more controlling, to kind of dial things up to 11, to make a conscious decision that if you are going to go out it’s on your terms.
Viewed through that lens, a lot of Flores’ decisions start to make sense.
Not show how much of that can be attributed to the racial dynamic, or if it is just personality, or more likely, that it all comes together to form an individual
I realize none of us can fully answer any of this, and I’m just starting to type a stream of thought in circles, so I’ll try to make these some of my final thoughts on Flores’ tenure….
So back to our usual programming, questioning what this team is possibly thinking….
I’m currently confused why the team already hasn’t had a second interview with Moore and why they choose to wait until after McDaniel…It’s not like Dallas has been playing the last couple weeks.
Admittedly, part of this being an annoyance is likely due to me wanting McDaniel signed today.
Ehhhh. I don’t know if Miami is getting tossed under the bus for racism as much as they are for potential bribery or tampering.Apparently McDaniel is bi-racial. The cynic in me thinks that Miami will see this as an opportunity to “disprove” the racism suit.
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True. Either way, I hope he gets a shot. Would be fun to see how he does.Ehhhh. I don’t know if Miami is getting tossed under the bus for racism as much as they are for potential bribery or tampering.
They have a decent track record on hiring diversity, McDaniel would be the latest example.
I’m still a bit hesitant to get too excited as it seems we’ve hired “offensive gurus” that haven’t panned out before in Cam Cameron, Joe Philbin, and Adam Gase.Just when I thought I was out…
It is a bit hard to wrap my mind around, as I wasn’t a fan of them firing Flores, but then they go out and hire the one person that I felt could be an upgrade…
Guess I have some hope now. But I also find myself singing, “hope is a dangerous thing for a fan like me to have…”
This is true and it’s why some were saying Miami should go for a guy that had some experience already like Doug Pederson.I don't know if this was mentioned upthread, but Beetle and Zo were taking this morning about how Wannstedt was the most recent head coach the Dolphins hired who had previous NFL head coaching expereience.
Deebo has also given Welker a ton of credit regarding in helping his development.That’s interesting. I didn’t know Walker was coaching, but now that I see it, it makes total sense.
Welker was great and it wasn’t like it was due to physical gifts. If he’s able to teach some of the route running and mental aspects that allows him to thrive, he could be an amazing coach.
I always figure the “do more with less” guys make for the best coaches, but they aren’t often guys that have had as much success as Wes.
Seems like a solid move.
I agree with this and I think that’s what Boyer tried to do early in the season.Boyer doesn’t thrill me either, but I’m fine as long as it was McDaniel’s decision and it wasn’t forced on him.
I just hope part of how he kept his job was detailing how he can take Flores’ scheme and make it more diverse and multiple.
My biggest issue with the defense was that it was a bit of the proverbial “one trick pony” which was great against mediocre teams and QB’s, but the rest of the league has shown that heavy blitz man scheme is pretty much the last thing you want to run against the better offenses.
Felger and Mazz used to rag on him constantly coming from the South Dakota School of Mines.Josh Boyer took a lot of heat from Pats fans back when he was the defensive backs coach and the Pats secondary was trash (circa 2010-2011). He was the CB coach all the way through 2018. The Pats did a pretty good job developing CBs during that time, but on the flip side, they also had several early draft busts in the secondary. All this to say, Pats fans have no idea if he is a good coach either.