Dolphins: Year Tua

Should Miami Trade for Deshaun Watson

  • Yes. Deshaun is a star. Take the known entity.

    Votes: 68 70.8%
  • No. Build around Tua and forge a stronger overall team.

    Votes: 28 29.2%

  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .

sodenj5

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Josh Boyer took a lot of heat from Pats fans back when he was the defensive backs coach and the Pats secondary was trash (circa 2010-2011). He was the CB coach all the way through 2018. The Pats did a pretty good job developing CBs during that time, but on the flip side, they also had several early draft busts in the secondary. All this to say, Pats fans have no idea if he is a good coach either.
Sounds familiar.

Noah Igbinoghene-bust.
Nik Needham-UDFA starter.

I suppose we’ll all find out together because Boyer will have no where to hide this year. Flores is gone, Alexander is gone. It’s his show.

I get the feeling that Boyer is a very good X’s and O’s guy, a good strategist, but not a great playcaller on Sundays. That’s why things changed halfway through the year. Someone took over that responsibility (Flores or Alexander) and Boyer was still the DC but not pulling the trigger on game day.
 

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I'm bummed that McDaniels isn't on the Niners anymore. I can't imagine what an old school guy like BB would say to something like this (obviously not a knock on BB, it's just interesting to see how coaches are different now):

 

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I do want to add, I’m not naive and unrealistic, I know some of those better offenses can be near impossible to stop at times regardless of scheme.
The offense being able to put up 30 is likely the best way to feel good about being able to beat a team like Buffalo.

The blitzing/man thing has just been at the forefront of my mind, because a common theme when I’ve been breaking down these playoff games, is seeing how effective these teams are against it. Seeing man/pressure is like a big green light for offensive props and fantasy.
For example, Stafford with a 131.5 rating vs the blitz and Burrow at 120.2
If you go to PFF and just sort QB’s by grade vs the blitz, 50% of 232, it’s virtually sorting the QB’s by those who played in the playoffs and those that didn’t.
The lowest of the playoff teams js Roethlisberger at 18, and the other 13 playoff starters were ahead of him.
 

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Figured this would be a fun aside to talk about, especially here:

View: https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/1492595267136229376?s=20&t=76_fl2EKJ9iSq-hnn8cDow


This would almost certainly be referencing Ross and Brady and this isn’t the first time something of this nature has popped up before.

Lots of links between Brady, Ross, Miami, and Bruce Beal, who is Ross’s successor as owner. Last time this came up, it was rumored Brady may buy in to the team when Ross steps down and Beal is the owner. The recent press clippings may have motivated Ross to try and generate some positive buzz about ownership.
 

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Figured this would be a fun aside to talk about, especially here:

View: https://twitter.com/jasonrmcintyre/status/1492595267136229376?s=20&t=76_fl2EKJ9iSq-hnn8cDow


This would almost certainly be referencing Ross and Brady and this isn’t the first time something of this nature has popped up before.

Lots of links between Brady, Ross, Miami, and Bruce Beal, who is Ross’s successor as owner. Last time this came up, it was rumored Brady may buy in to the team when Ross steps down and Beal is the owner. The recent press clippings may have motivated Ross to try and generate some positive buzz about ownership.
I thought I read that Beal effectively has a ROFO on the Dolphins once Ross dies and it’s not a guarantee that he’ll actually exercise those rights. Sounds like that is the intent though. Had no idea his family had that much money so sounds plausible that Ross’ plan materializes.
 

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I thought I read that Beal effectively has a ROFO on the Dolphins once Ross dies and it’s not a guarantee that he’ll actually exercise those rights. Sounds like that is the intent though. Had no idea his family had that much money so sounds plausible that Ross’ plan materializes.
You are correct. Beal is the Vice Chairman and Partner of the Dolphins currently as well as running several arms of Ross’s enterprise.

He’s basically waiting in the wings, and still could opt out of buying the team, but I would imagine he is going to go ahead and exercise his right of first refusal and may or may not bring Brady in as a minority owner.

Should be noted that Rapoport is reporting today that it isn’t 1000% that Brady stays retired. I think he likely will stay retired, but I think there has still been enough smoke that Brady and Miami may end up linked whenever he decides he’s ready.
 
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You are correct. Beal is the Vice Chairman and Partner of the Dolphins currently as well as running several arms of Ross’s enterprise.

He’s basically waiting in the wings, and still could opt out of buying the team, but I would imagine he is going to go ahead and exercise his right of first refusal and may or may not bring Brady in as a minority owner.
Given that Brady is building a house in Miami for his apparent main residence, seems plausible.
 

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Simply documenting a prediction on my part, but going through some draft stuff…

Miami is going to draft Kenneth Walker. The rb from Michigan state.
Zone scheme runner. Big play threat. Nice games against great opponents. Enough receptions…
Feel like he’s going to wind up a target.
 

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I’m gonna say it, I think McDaniel has assembled a very, very intriguing coaching staff.

And it isn’t just the homer service of Welker, Madison, and Surtain returning to the franchise. It’s the fact that those guys are very good, up and coming coaches in their own right.

Not only that but landing a guy like Bevell to be the QB coach, having a ton of overlap on guys that have coached the offensive line.

It feels like good coaches are excited about aligning with McDaniel.
 

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And compare that to the Patriots who have less than half that. It’s extremely embarrassing how pathetic the Patriots cheap out on their coaching staff.
the Patriots have been the most successful franchise over the past 20 years. Maybe Belichick knows that having too many coaches on the staff becomes a deterrent as there too many messages to players and too many possibilities for leaks?
 

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the Patriots have been the most successful franchise over the past 20 years. Maybe Belichick knows that having too many coaches on the staff becomes a deterrent as there too many messages to players and too many possibilities for leaks?
The Patriots current staff is weak in terms of experience. They have no offensive or defensive coordinator and they have a second year QB that needs to get better. If Bill thinks he can do it all at his age then more power to him. I just don’t think it will work.
 

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And compare that to the Patriots who have less than half that. It’s extremely embarrassing how pathetic the Patriots cheap out on their coaching staff.
How do you know what the Pats have spent on coaches year over year, or what most of these Dolphins coaches - the vast majority of whom are below coordinator level - stand to earn?
 

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How do you know what the Pats have spent on coaches year over year, or what most of these Dolphins coaches - the vast majority of whom are below coordinator level - stand to earn?
Matt Patricia and Joe Judge are free. The only coach the Patriots have really paid recently is Josh McDaniels and that was to keep him from going to the Colts. Bill loves free coaches. It’s probably why Bill O’Brien isn’t here right now.
 

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And compare that to the Patriots who have less than half that. It’s extremely embarrassing how pathetic the Patriots cheap out on their coaching staff.
I don't think it's an expense thing; it can be a management headache to have a lot of coaches. Belichick talked about this a few years back: https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/5/18/15644770/bill-belichick-explains-why-the-patriots-always-have-one-of-the-smallest-coaching-staffs-in-the-nfl

“From a ‘getting everybody on the same page’ standpoint, which is critical, the fewer people you have to manage, the easier it is to get everybody on the same page,” Belichick said on the podcast. “So if you’re talking to 10 people, it’s hard to get all 10 people doing the same thing or doing the right thing. Now you make that number 20, instead of 10, it’s even more difficult.
“If you have five people supervising another 15 people, now you have another layer there where you’re not dealing directly with everybody, and now you’re somewhat dependent on other people to relay the message the way you want it done and to monitor it that way. Certainly, there’s a degree of that, but as much of that I can eliminate, I think works better for me.”
 

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How much could those extra coaches cost, especially compared to a player?

And why would Belichick start limiting the Patriots’ coaching budget? He doesn’t pay these guys. The team does. And, instead, if the theory is (or in the case, I suspect the right word would be ‘becomes’) Kraft is suddenly cracking down on assistant coaches’ salaries after years of paying guys like McDaniels, Scar, Fears, and throwing millions at stadium renovations we will need more than some contrived Felger inferences.
 

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So, ah, the Dolphins built ... on paper, at least ... a decent coaching staff
 

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I'm listening to Mike McDaniel on The Pat McAfee show. This guy rules.

Pat asks him about some pair of shoes he's wearing he just goes without pause "IM A SHOPLIFTER"
 

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I'm listening to Mike McDaniel on The Pat McAfee show. This guy rules.

Pat asks him about some pair of shoes he's wearing he just goes without pause "IM A SHOPLIFTER"
Mike McD is absolutely a likable dude. I was watching it as well.

I think the whole “how will he be in front of a room” concerns seem pretty unfounded. He has a ton of charisma and I think he will mesh really well with Miami’s younger roster.
 

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Mike McD is absolutely a likable dude. I was watching it as well.

I think the whole “how will he be in front of a room” concerns seem pretty unfounded. He has a ton of charisma and I think he will mesh really well with Miami’s younger roster.
These concerns about who will be good “in front of a room” usually come from people without first-hand experience, unless playing high-school ball counts. Looking at who has had coaching success in the league this century, it’s clear that a wide variety of styles will play in an NFL locker room.