You just know that Eli is putting all of his effort in to not smiling.Devizier said:
Two Manning threads = Two Manning faces
dcmissle said:There is only one reason for Peyton to continue playing: another ring. He does not seem remotely capable of getting even an excellent team there in an era when QB play is more important than ever.
Unless this downturn can be attributed to a temporary physical problem unrelated to the prior neck problem and nerve damage, I don't see the point of coming back. It will only make worse the one knock against his career. He came to Denver to retire like Elway did but almost certainly won't.
lexrageorge said:Peyton Manning will be an automatic first ballot Hall of Fame selection. My guess is that nearly every QB in the league today would love to be mentioned in such lofty company.
Of the active QB's in the league, Brady and Brees are the closest to being a similar automatic selection (no, I'm not getting into an argument on who's better; that's not the point of this post). Roethlisberger (2 Bowl victories) and Rodgers will probably get there as well. Romo will probably be a borderline candidate due to lack of playoff success and the fact he'll be facing a crowded field. Luck and Wilson could get there assuming they're career arcs go in the expected direction, but both are still too early to know for sure.
The playoff losses are a distraction. The reality is that since Elway won 2 in a row in the late 1990's (the latter being Peyton Manning's rookie season), only 3 QB's have won more than one Super Bowl, and that number would be 2 had it not been for some guy catching a ball on his f*&$ing helmet.
someone posted a 2013 article that talked about how PM had to relearn to throw after his last surgery. IIRC, it said that he had to compensate for his weakened arm by using more of his legs. I wonder if the thigh injury lead to his loss of velocity.https://twitter.com/WillBrinson/status/554490586829684738
lexrageorge said:Peyton Manning will be an automatic first ballot Hall of Fame selection. My guess is that nearly every QB in the league today would love to be mentioned in such lofty company.
Of the active QB's in the league, Brady and Brees are the closest to being a similar automatic selection (no, I'm not getting into an argument on who's better; that's not the point of this post). Roethlisberger (2 Bowl victories) and Rodgers will probably get there as well. Romo will probably be a borderline candidate due to lack of playoff success and the fact he'll be facing a crowded field. Luck and Wilson could get there assuming they're career arcs go in the expected direction, but both are still too early to know for sure.
The playoff losses are a distraction. The reality is that since Elway won 2 in a row in the late 1990's (the latter being Peyton Manning's rookie season), only 3 QB's have won more than one Super Bowl, and that number would be 2 had it not been for some guy catching a ball on his f*&$ing helmet.
Not picking on your personally, as piling on Manning and his "noodle arm" is certainly the consensus opinion, but I think this is being overstated. The first-quarter 32 yard completion to J. Thomas was a perfectly thrown ball. He attempted to beat the Colts deep a few more times and overthrew the ball. I'm not saying Manning has a great arm, he doesn't, but the Colts D deserves more credit than most are giving them. And as good as Brady is, the deep ball is not his strength.TheoShmeo said:Still, his total inability to complete passes more than 5-10 yards down field at least raised the question in my mind.
This is unfair. There's a big difference in evaluating a player's career in terms of who has objectively been better (which would take into account supporting casts, bad luck, etc) and evaluating it from the quality of fan experience. I don't think it's at all unreasonable for a fan to be willing to gamble on Rodgers and Wilson going forward--in terms of the overall pleasure derived from rooting for them -- given the incredible, but fraught career of PM. Rodgers and Wilson already have as many rings as Manning. Rodgers is well on his way to being a top 5 QB, and the Pack will have a shot every year so long as he's heathy. Wilson is off to perhaps the best 3 year start of any QB ever, and has been nails in the playoffs. Luck is a little different given his limited playoff success to this point, but he's certainly got the tools to be a HOF QB. Reasonable people can disagree, but it's hardly idotic.Papelbon said:Then you're an idiot. Sorry that's not personal it's just an absurd stance.
I hate Manning as much as the next guy but he has chunks of those QBs in his stool. Rodgers might get there some day for career status but right now, short of Brady, you'd be a fucking idiot to say "I'll take my guy over Peyton and his career". To suggest otherwise is blatant prejudice or at the very least ignorance.
Papelbon's Poutine said:Then you're an idiot. Sorry that's not personal it's just an absurd stance.
I hate Manning as much as the next guy but he has chunks of those QBs in his stool. Rodgers might get there some day for career status but right now, short of Brady, you'd be a fucking idiot to say "I'll take my guy over Peyton and his career". To suggest otherwise is blatant prejudice or at the very least ignorance.
but he and Del Rio/Gase suck so much at making in-game adjustments to win games
DrewDawg said:
So why is Gase such a hot commodity?
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 21s21 seconds ago
Broncos QB Peyton Manning played Sunday’s Divisional Playoff loss and the past month of the season with a torn right quad, per two sources.
jsinger121 said:
This is what i'm wondering, too. How willing are "worthy" FA targets going to be to come to place where they'll see their targets limitied?86spike said:
Unless they overpay them, many of those guys may choose to leave instead of playing for a rebuild. Hell, even if Manning comes back they are probably going to need to redesign the team to focus on the run and the defense anyway, so a guy like Demaryius Thomas might choose to seek a role elsewhere anyway. If you focus more on the run, does that let you live better with Julius Thomas' horrible pass pro work?
Small correction: Brady has been to the postseason 12 times. In fact, he is the only quarterback to take the same franchise to the playoffs 12 times.E5 Yaz said:
I always get a kick out of numbers such as this one. Yup, he's been the quarterback for 13 losing playoff games.
Which means he was the starting quarterback for a playoff team for 13 seasons. The only other quarterbacks with losses double digits are Favre
and Marino.
Montana was in 11 postseasons, same as Brady. Bradshaw in 9.
Manning's been in 14 postseasons as a starter. Yup, 13 ended in defeat -- and the 9 one and outs are more damning -- but I'll take a QB who gets
you there 14 times
Yeah, I see the Patriot argument obviously, I see the Green Bay argument (although career value will be tough given he sat behind Favre), and I can see a Luck argument, and if we're talking about Peyton next year, yeah, he might be done, but on a career basis: Eli? Joe Flacco? Come on now.Papelbon's Poutine said:Then you're an idiot. Sorry that's not personal it's just an absurd stance.
I hate Manning as much as the next guy but he has chunks of those QBs in his stool. Rodgers might get there some day for career status but right now, short of Brady, you'd be a fucking idiot to say "I'll take my guy over Peyton and his career". To suggest otherwise is blatant prejudice or at the very least ignorance.
jsinger121 said:
He was listed as probable with a thigh injury.lostjumper said:If Peyton truly played the last 6 games with a torn quad, why wasn't he on the injury report? There's been a lot of talk the last 2 days about rules, let's see if the national media asks the question.
Also, Fox is an idiot for playing manning in those last 2 games vs Cincy and Oakland. They could have given Manning an entire month off to rest and heal up instead.
Why when Peyton was asked after the game if he was playing with any injuries does he only mentioned the thigh bruise. Something sounds fishy about this "torn quad".lostjumper said:If Peyton truly played the last 6 games with a torn quad, why wasn't he on the injury report? There's been a lot of talk the last 2 days about rules, let's see if the national media asks the question.
Also, Fox is an idiot for playing manning in those last 2 games vs Cincy and Oakland. They could have given Manning an entire month off to rest and heal up instead.
So did he suddenly get old after the first drive, or was the typical Manning not playing well in the playoffs?TheoShmeo said:phenweigh, according to an article at ESPN Boston, Manning was 2 for 12 for 49 yards on passes beyond 15 yards and 5 for 21 for 107 yards on passes beyond 5 yards.
So I probably should have qualified "total inability" with a word like "almost" or "near."
Beyond the numbers, other than a few throws, and Manning looking like himself on that first drive, the QB had very little control of the ball on even medium length passes and was reduced to throws near the line of scrimmage for the vast majority of that game.
Shelterdog said:
There's the Peyton we know and love--anonymously offering up an excuse for his play was bad through the media after doing a whole no excuses/I take accountability press conference yesterday.
Remagellan said:It's a different injury, and Phillip Rivers was much younger than Peyton is now.
Stitch01 said:His play was uneven before the Charger game.
He got hit square in the legs right about then (thought it was a low hit) and didn't look the same after that. It would coincide with a torn quad and an inability to drive through his legs after thatphenweigh said:So did he suddenly get old after the first drive, or was the typical Manning not playing well in the playoffs?
Anyway, the point of my post wasn't to defend Peyton, it was to give the Indy defense some credit wrt next weeks game. I really don't care what people think about Manning and IMO my post being moved to this thread my the mod was a mistake.
I'm not saying it's a more serious injury, but the idea that this injury had no impact on him is laughable (and I know you're not necessarily saying that). I don't really care what Phillip Rivers did. If you watched the games, there has clearly been something wrong with Peyton physically. He has had nothing on his throws, and has been unable to make routine passes.rodderick said:
Is it a less serious injury for a quarterback?