Back for OTAs or Out to Pasture: Have we seen the last of Peyton Manning?
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If Manning was injured, as I think he must have been for the last several weeks, then I think he will be back. If he just took a nosedive because he's 38, I think he should probably move on to other pursuits. If not injured, the guy who played today should be smart enogh to know he doesn't help a team very much. I actually hope that he has been dealing with a shoulder or something, because if his collapse this year -- despite a great running back and offensive weapons all over the field -- is just something that can happen all of the sudden at age 38, it makes me pretty worried about our guy dropping off a cliff sooner than later.
No lumps needed. Tough game and tough break with Manning's health this season. You've got a lot of other talent and a well run organization, which is the most important thing in the long run,j-man said:
j-man, that must have been tough to watch today. We all know that feeling. In terms of changes and salary cap space, do you want Peyton to return?
for those of you too young to remember, tonights game was like Johnny Unitias playing a year in San Diego and more to the point the football version of Willie Mays playing CF for the Mets in the '73 Series,
He and Welker should ride off into the sunset
He and Welker should ride off into the sunset
RGREELEY33 said:
Wasn't it the exact same thing against Baltimore two years ago though? As the game wore on, Baltimore played closer and closer to the line and didn't bother respecting the deep ball at all. He was a better last year in January, but this is twice in three years.
Come on...one of these two has had multiple surgeries on their neck/spine. The other has had surgery on the knee..which is far more common. It's also obvious that Peyton post surgery was totally different than pre in how he threw the ball. Tom at times hasn't been as accurate as he was in the past, but his arm strength and velocity don't seem to have been effected at all. I don't think the two can be compared other than their relative ages.DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
The one post game talking head who really laid into Peyton Manning's horrible game was Peyton Manning.
PedroKsBambino said:
I guess that's the real question. Is what changed his physical ability to play for anyone, or is he not really interested in being a supporting cast member and wants to be PEYTON! playing somewhere else.
Not walking away from $19 million over the next two seasons. Closing in on Favre for #1 all time in passing yards and completions.
Plus, he seems like the type of ego maniac who would want the year long Jeter farewell tour.
Plus, he seems like the type of ego maniac who would want the year long Jeter farewell tour.
He's likely hurt. He'll be back next year. So we're probably going to see him next year. They should probably draft someone better than Osweiler, though.
At some point there should be more scrutiny over his performance than saying "better passes, better quarterback, Peyton Manning".
At some point there should be more scrutiny over his performance than saying "better passes, better quarterback, Peyton Manning".
Had heard everything in recent weeks about Manning, but have not watched many of their games before tonight. I was stunned by this performance.doldmoose34 said:
Lots of times there is just criticism of comparing across various sports. But I think one thing that unites them is the ability of world class athletes to seemingly fall off a cliff. Have very hazy kid memories of Unitas' and Namath's last seasons. God it was sad, but you could also see it coming. Same with Mays and Mantle at the end.
The suddenness of this is striking. Earlier in the year, things seemed pretty good. Weeks later, he cannot throw with any accuracy beyond 10 yards. The only thing I can remember like this is Brooks Robinson showing up the last year of his career and being unable to hit at all. Lost it completely. Sub Mendoza line for long stretches. Light switch with no dimmer. Then he retired.
There is only one reason for Peyton to continue playing: another ring. He does not seem remotely capable of getting even an excellent team there in an era when QB play is more important than ever.
Unless this downturn can be attributed to a temporary physical problem unrelated to the prior neck problem and nerve damage, I don't see the point of coming back. It will only make worse the one knock against his career. He came to Denver to retire like Elway did but almost certainly won't.
Am I missing some distinction here? Apologies if I am, but why have the two Peyton threads not been merged?
Florio: Peyton's Future Plunges into Uncertainty
Reporting Nantz's comments on the broadcast:
On Manning vs. Osweiler and salary implications:
Reporting Nantz's comments on the broadcast:
On Manning vs. Osweiler and salary implications:
Excuse me for being the suspicious cynic but I read Manning's recently revealed bemming and hawing as Favre-Ing for attention. I don't think he's quite that desperate for it but he loves him some attention. I'm in the Jeter camp who say he won't go out unless it's with as much pomp and circumstance as possible.
The fact that he refused to run when he had about 30 yards of open turf in front of him at one point during this game says a lot about his level of confidence in his body.
If I'm Manning and get cut, I'd be open to moving to a team that plays indoors or in warm weather, has a good offensive line, can win now, and needs a QB. I think the Dolphins and Texans meet those criteria.
If I'm Manning and get cut, I'd be open to moving to a team that plays indoors or in warm weather, has a good offensive line, can win now, and needs a QB. I think the Dolphins and Texans meet those criteria.
You've been a good sport about everything. I doubt you'll get much flak.j-man said:
The Broncos were trying to do something that almost never works, leapfrog a bit of rebuilding by bringing in a star or stars to try to win immediately. The Celtics did it in 2008 but that was the exception that proves the rule.
Rough Carrigan said:
Also, even in hindsight, the Manning signing was pretty great for the Broncos, right? The Manning Broncos made 3 consecutive playoffs as a #1 or #2 seed and got to a Super Bowl. At the time of his signing many of us thought he should retire, and many thought the Broncos were taking an enormous risk by signing him.
Sure, they didn't win a ring, but that's a hell of a run.
I think he might be just plain cooked. Peyton has rarely passed up an opportunity to shift the blame away from himself. In the post-game presser, they asked him point blank if he had been hurt this year and the only thing he mentioned is the thigh injury, which certainly can't explain the cratering of his arm strength. Early this year I figured that he might have another injury to his arm or upper body (or something nerve related) that was sapping his arm strength but that the team was keeping it hush-hush. There's really no point in keeping something like that quiet at this point and even casually referencing it in the post-game press conference would have been the perfect opportunity for Peyton to pass the buck and earn some sympathy points. That he didn't say anything when asked about injury suggests to me that its just natural age-related deterioration.
I sort of think he comes back anyway for three reasons: (a) He stands to make $19M in salary and that's a lot of money (b) He's only about 2000 yards away from the career passing yards record and you know he wants that one and (c) He's going to want to go out in some kind of awful love-fest, like Andrew mentioned above.
If what we saw today is really the new Peyton, I don't think you can design an offense to hide his flaws. There are huge portions of the field he just can't attack (deep outs, lots of stuff medium-to-deep over the middle that needs to travel quickly into small windows between defenders). If he is really this bad going forward and comes back next year, its going to be ugly...and hilarious.
I sort of think he comes back anyway for three reasons: (a) He stands to make $19M in salary and that's a lot of money (b) He's only about 2000 yards away from the career passing yards record and you know he wants that one and (c) He's going to want to go out in some kind of awful love-fest, like Andrew mentioned above.
If what we saw today is really the new Peyton, I don't think you can design an offense to hide his flaws. There are huge portions of the field he just can't attack (deep outs, lots of stuff medium-to-deep over the middle that needs to travel quickly into small windows between defenders). If he is really this bad going forward and comes back next year, its going to be ugly...and hilarious.
moly99 said:
He struggled in KC in November. It may have been chilly, but it wasn't cold. It was a night game, but it nearly hit 60 that day. He then struggled against Buffalo in early December. The high in Denver that day was 59. In the Cincy game, another night game, but it was in the 50s that day.
If his performance is degrading on 45-50 degree days then unless he petitions the NFL to move to the summer, he's done.
Totally agree. He'll come back for at least one more year for the ring kissing and the league and media will be all too happy to oblige. Sponsors are probably already begging him to come back.SemperFidelisSox said:
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 2h2 hours ago
The record he didn't want: Broncos QB Peyton Manning lost the 13th playoff game of his career, the most in NFL history.
The record he didn't want: Broncos QB Peyton Manning lost the 13th playoff game of his career, the most in NFL history.
soxhop411 said:
I always get a kick out of numbers such as this one. Yup, he's been the quarterback for 13 losing playoff games.
Which means he was the starting quarterback for a playoff team for 13 seasons. The only other quarterbacks with losses double digits are Favre and Marino.
Montana was in 11 postseasons, same as Brady. Bradshaw in 9.
Manning's been in 14 postseasons as a starter. Yup, 13 ended in defeat -- and the 9 one and outs are more damning -- but I'll take a QB who gets you there 14 times
An added piece in all this is that Welker and both Julius and Demaryius Thomas are not under contract for next season. While the team has plenty of projected cap space, anything can happen in free agency. Manning would be guaranteed his $19M on March 9/10, so the team needs to know about his health by then.
he is done as a super bowl qb denver has 30 million in cap space if he comes back welker is a fa J Thomas is gone will what 8-9 million a year DT cost himself 2 million today anything over 12 million a year and i don't bring him back T Kightion is gone unless we overpay 9-11 million a year and he is worth no higher than 8 O Franklin is our best OL now and he is a fa will want 8-9 million a year honesty we are fucked unless goodell just gives him a 2nd ring as a goodbye i e j betts R lewis the best way for all to save face is a trade to Hou or Tenn Hou for a 3rd or 2nd rnd if he wins the sourh or Tenn for a 1st in 16 because we need to see what we have in brock Q
the last 2 years were worse 2012 was a top 3 team that was top 5 def top 5 off manning best shot and had denver got by baitmore the super bowl was a very real possibly 2013 settle was a buzzsaw today was manning decline and we were so outcoashed its going to be ugly if he comes back top 6 7 qb but its time
E5 Yaz said:
E5 Yaz said:
Six of those nine times Manning has lost in one-and-done situations have been at home. That's a huge number for a guy many consider the best or second or third best QB of all time. Sure, most NFL team's fans would rather have him at QB than Geno Smith or Jay Cutler, even. But, would Pittsburgh, NYG, Baltimore, New England, Green Bay, or Seattle fans trade their QB for P. Manning?
Would you give up Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers or even Andrew Luck to date for Peyton Manning's career? I wouldn't.