Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots

[veritas]

From singaporesoxfan's link:
 
 

On the Saturday night before he was found dead, Mr. Lloyd drove to a Bandits scrimmage in a Chevy Suburban that belonged to Mr. Hernandez, with whom he had been partying at a club a night earlier. Mr. Lloyd usually bummed rides from teammates to practices. This time, he pulled up next to Mike Branch, a Bandits coach who had also coached him in high school.
 
Mr. Branch wanted to know whose car it was, because, as he said Thursday, “I knew he didn’t have no Suburban.”
 
Mr. Lloyd answered succinctly: “You know whose car it is, coach.”
 
A little more than a day later, in the early morning hours of June 17, Mr. Hernandez and two friends rolled up to Mr. Lloyd’s home, this time in a rented silver Nissan Altima.

 
And the rest is history.  What a fucked up story.  How does AH go from lending him a car to shooting him in the back in cold blood a day later?

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

It could be worth something 20+ years from now, you know.
 
After reviewing the evidence, I'm having a tough time coming up with a plausible strategy for the defense. I do think however this is going to trial unless Hernandez gets charged with another murder. The Defense Attorneys must love the idea of seeing themselves on TV everyday for the next 6+ months on a trial most people think is unwinnable.

The standard unit of time in Attorneyworld is the "billable hour."
 
Pretty sure they won't mind.

 

[Monbo Jumbo]

Did the same thing happen with Vick?

Yes but a lot more people felt/feel Vick got hosed due to being a high profile case, at least in terms of punishment. Not exactly the same when you're killing human(s).
I still see the occasional Vick jersey worn around town.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Trust SoSH to turn a sports franchise making it easier for parents to take away their kid's Pats jersey into a negative.

 
Agreed.
 
I doubt there will be 1000 shirts turned in.  It's only for shirts bought there or online from them, doesn't count the hundreds of thousands sold through other outlets.  There will be no shortages of Hernandez jerseys.
 
I only wish I could turn in my Tim Thomas and Andrew Bailey shirts.

 

[BoredViewer]

^There are hundreds of thousands of Hernandez jerseys?
 
However many there actually are, I'd think a good chunk of them would've been sold by the Pats - certainly more than 1%.  It's a good move and helpful to some.  

 

[JayMags71]

I doubt there will be 1000 shirts turned in.  It's only for shirts bought there or online from them, doesn't count the hundreds of thousands sold through other outlets.  There will be no shortages of Hernandez jerseys..

Parsing the offer, it says "#81 Hernandez jerseys purchased from the New England Patriots ProShop ONLY are eligible for the jersey exchange."

However, further down, it also says "A receipt from the Patriots ProShop is not needed for the exchange. However, only NFL officially licensed jerseys sold from the ProShop are eligible for the exchange (both Nike and Reebok are acceptable." It doesn't seem sufficiently restrictive that it would deter people from returning shirts purchased at Kohl's, Modell's, etc.

So I think you may be underestimating (a little) the popularity of this offer.

 

[johnmd20]

Trust SoSH to turn a sports franchise making it easier for parents to take away their kid's Pats jersey into a negative.

 
Lots of black hearts here.

 

[P'tucket rhymes with...]

About time those Sudanese and Somali kids upgraded from their 2004 Yankee AL Championship Ts.

 

[koufax32]

About time those Sudanese and Somali kids upgraded from their 2004 Yankee AL Championship Ts.

No. Those need to be stitched and repaired as many times as possible. Although it would be poetic if this exchange occurred if AH had choked someone to death.

 

[CJChap]

I don't know how to quote it on my Ipad, but in today's Globe there's more detail into the relationship between AH and Alexander Bradley, the guy he allegedly shot in the face in FL.

Apparently the weekend after the Loss the B-More and two weeks prior to the alleged shooting incident in FL, Bradley was charged here for DUI. A Yukon was pulled over on 93S and when a trooper approached, the Yukon took off going over 100 across multiple lanes of traffic. When he was finally pulled over, the trooper approached and heard "Trooper, I'm Aaron Hernandez. It's OK"

Driver Bradley got the DUI and shot in the face two weeks later. They had been at the club Cure, which is at the center of the 2012 drive by shooting.

 

[Buck Showalter]

"and stepping out of the vehicle, pistol in hand".....

For me --- the final question is "did he do the shooting?"

It's sure looks like Aaron Hernandez may in fact have orchestrated and carried out this murder.

 

[soxfaninyankeeland]

Then no one snitched (yet).. Prosecutors knew about the mood inside of the car how exactly?

Since Carlos Ortiz is charged only with illegally possessing a gun on the date of the homicide, I'm going to guess that he snitched.

 

[Bob420]

And Wallace was charged with accessory to murder after the fact.  But it really makes no sense for AH to call these guys up there to only have them watch.  What were they actually providing other than being witnesses?

 

[Caspir]

Back up in case it went bad, and two flunkies he could show off for. 

 

[JGray38]

Could also be cover to lure Lloyd out of Dorchester. It might have been strange for just Hernandez and Lloyd to do things together without others around.

 

[Papo The Snow Tiger]

Parsing the offer, it says "#81 Hernandez jerseys purchased from the New England Patriots ProShop ONLY are eligible for the jersey exchange."

However, further down, it also says "A receipt from the Patriots ProShop is not needed for the exchange. However, only NFL officially licensed jerseys sold from the ProShop are eligible for the exchange (both Nike and Reebok are acceptable." It doesn't seem sufficiently restrictive that it would deter people from returning shirts purchased at Kohl's, Modell's, etc.

So I think you may be underestimating (a little) the popularity of this offer.

I kind of lucked out on this one. I played football in high school and was a tight end (no jokes please). When it came time for numbers, only two in the 80's were left after the upper classmen reclaimed theirs, 81 & 83. I ended up with 83. Fast forward many years and I end up marrying a girl who's a bigger Pats fan than I am. The Pats to her are like the Red Sox to me, i.e. she gets really pissed when they lose. We didn't go to high school together, but she found out that I was #83 in high school. A couple of Christmas' ago she gave me a home #83 Wes Welker jersey. I married the right girl. When Welker was left go to the Bronco's I was bummed out for football reasons and also because my wife thought that I could no longer wear the jersey. We were both kind of wishing that I had gotten #81 in high school. No we're both glad that I didn't.

 

[rembrat]

Back up in case it went bad, and two flunkies he could show off for. 

 
I think it would be reversed, no? Flunkies have every incentive to show off and carry out every desire of whoever it is they are serving. 

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Parsing the offer, it says "#81 Hernandez jerseys purchased from the New England Patriots ProShop ONLY are eligible for the jersey exchange."


However, further down, it also says "A receipt from the Patriots ProShop is not needed for the exchange. However, only NFL officially licensed jerseys sold from the ProShop are eligible for the exchange (both Nike and Reebok are acceptable." It doesn't seem sufficiently restrictive that it would deter people from returning shirts purchased at Kohl's, Modell's, etc.


So I think you may be underestimating (a little) the popularity of this offer.

I kind of lucked out on this one. I played football in high school and was a tight end (no jokes please). When it came time for numbers, only two in the 80's were left after the upper classmen reclaimed theirs, 81 & 83. I ended up with 83. Fast forward many years and I end up marrying a girl who's a bigger Pats fan than I am. The Pats to her are like the Red Sox to me, i.e. she gets really pissed when they lose. We didn't go to high school together, but she found out that I was #83 in high school. A couple of Christmas' ago she gave me a home #83 Wes Welker jersey. I married the right girl. When Welker was left go to the Bronco's I was bummed out for football reasons and also because my wife thought that I could no longer wear the jersey. We were both kind of wishing that I had gotten #81 in high school. No we're both glad that I didn't.


Yea, man. You really lucked out. So fucking lucky son of a bitch!

 

[Bob420]

Not sure how much cover there is when you show up to a guy's house at 2:30 AM on a Sunday night/Monday morning.  That had to be very out of the ordinary no matter how many people were in the car.

 

[Bob420]

Can anyone explain how Wallace could be in the car before, during and after but only be charged with accessory after the fact? Wouldn't that mean he helped cover it up after but wasn't present before or during?  I know very little about the law.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Parsing the offer, it says "#81 Hernandez jerseys purchased from the New England Patriots ProShop ONLY are eligible for the jersey exchange."

However, further down, it also says "A receipt from the Patriots ProShop is not needed for the exchange. However, only NFL officially licensed jerseys sold from the ProShop are eligible for the exchange (both Nike and Reebok are acceptable." It doesn't seem sufficiently restrictive that it would deter people from returning shirts purchased at Kohl's, Modell's, etc.

So I think you may be underestimating (a little) the popularity of this offer.

 
They are making it easier than I thought they would, but I still think lots of people will decide it's not worth the drive and wait in line on a holiday weekend to do this.  I hope I'm wrong.  I hope they get all of them back.
 
(and if folks didn't know, the "Nike or Reebok" part is because the NFL changed providers a year or so ago)

 

[axx]

Can anyone explain how Wallace could be in the car before, during and after but only be charged with accessory after the fact? Wouldn't that mean he helped cover it up after but wasn't present before or during?  I know very little about the law.

 
I suppose it's possible they came along not knowing what Hernandez had in store for Lloyd.

 

[moly99]

And Wallace was charged with accessory to murder after the fact.  But it really makes no sense for AH to call these guys up there to only have them watch.  What were they actually providing other than being witnesses?

 

[Im]moral support.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

Leverage play by prosecutor. Get other 2 in custody on lesser charges, leverage them to testify under threat of murder charges. This way testimony doesn't seem bought...meaning they never had to reduce charges. Hernandez' atty will have less ammo during cross. Won't be able to say testimony was a result of dropping charges.

I'm assuming these guys are subject to same charges as AH

 

[knucklecup]

 (and if folks didn't know, the "Nike or Reebok" part is because the NFL changed providers a year or so ago)

Does anybody know the revenue lost by Adidas no longer having this account?

 

[soxfan121]

 How does AH go from lending him a car to shooting him in the back in cold blood a day later?

 
The defense will be asking the same question in front of the jury. Johnnie Cochran's ghost loves this incongruous bit of information.

 

[baruch20]

Indeed, certainly closer to 200% than 50%. NFL licensed apparel is a huge profit center. How much do you think it costs to stitch together a jersey in China?

You can get replica jerseys in china for 15-20 dollars.  They look like the real deal.

 

[axx]

The defense will be asking the same question in front of the jury. Johnnie Cochran's ghost loves this incongruous bit of information.

 
That one's easy though. Lloyd told somebody he shouldn't have about the Boston shooting.

 

[soxfan121]

That one's easy though. Lloyd told somebody he shouldn't have about the Boston shooting.

 
Who? 
 
I think it's easy on a message board. I think it's a bit harder in court where someone will need to testify that Lloyd told them about the Boston shooting. Perhaps that person is known and ready to testify. If so, the defense knows who it is and what he's said to investigators (because of Discovery rules). If not...then it is most definitely not "easy" and is a likely approach the defense will use. 
 
And unrelated - the investigators do NOT have the murder weapon, correct? They have the timeline and Hernandez with *A* gun, but not *THE* gun, right? Which is why the "clip of .45 ammo" recovered from the Hummer in Franklin was a big deal, right?
 
Defense in court is just reasonable doubt...without someone to prove motive and without the gun, I'm curious to see whether Sultan (etc.) can craft a credible defense for at least one juror. 

 

[Judge Mental13]

Trust SoSH to turn a sports franchise making it easier for parents to take away their kid's Pats jersey into a negative.

 
I'm not saying it's a negative thing for the Pats to do, I'm saying that when stuff becomes super rare/discontinued it is likely to increase in value down the road.  It's a good alternative to just throwing the jersey away, I applaud Pats ownership for that, like I said though, I have very little faith in humanity.

 

[knucklecup]

@GlobeChadFinn The way this week went, I don't think I'd be shocked to learn 10-year-old Aaron Hernandez was at the club the night Paul Pierce got stabbed.

I laughed.

 

[Bob420]

But I thought AH and Lloyd argued that Fri night at the club.  AH knew or thought he said something when he loaned him the car the next day.

 

[riboflav]

But I thought AH and Lloyd argued that Fri night at the club.  AH knew or thought he said something when he loaned him the car the next day.

 
Bingo. I wonder if the defense team is going to do a heck of a job creating doubt. Why not say one of the other guys killed Lloyd and AH tried to stop it? AH's goal was to talk to Lloyd, maybe even scare him, but not to kill him. Sure, the other two might point the finger at AH. But, a great defense lawyer with a lot of money can show that they're low-life scumbags who have been "coerced" into testifying against AH.
 
Although, that said, why did AH give the other two money and rent them a car after the killing if he tried to stop or was at least against murdering Lloyd? It seems his actions after the murder may give him more trouble than even driving the rental car, the texts, the guns, and being at the scene of the crime.

 

[axx]

Who? 

 
Could be Lloyd's sister, could be the Cops. The texts that Lloyd sent to her is a big problem for me. It shows that he knows he was in trouble.

 

[rembrat]

Could be Lloyd's sister, could be the Cops. The texts that Lloyd sent to her is a big problem for me. It shows that he knows he was in trouble.

 
You could infer that, sure, but 'Just so you know' is a commonly used phrase in the hip hop subculture. There is nothing sinister about it. 

 

[axx]

You could infer that, sure, but 'Just so you know' is a commonly used phrase in the hip hop subculture. There is nothing sinister about it. 

 
At 3:30 in the morning?
 

Defense in court is just reasonable doubt...without someone to prove motive and without the gun, I'm curious to see whether Sultan (etc.) can craft a credible defense for at least one juror.

 
I'd say their best shot (heh) at this point is to put Hernandez on the stand and have him try to convince the jury that one of the other three shot him AND that he doesn't deserve to be convicted of murder despite putting Lloyd in that position by driving him to the industrial park and covering it up afterwords.

 

[soxfaninyankeeland]

The time of day doesn't mean shit to gangster types. I don't know enough about Lloyd to include him in the gangster category, but Hernandez, Ortiz and Wallace certainly qualify. Text messages and phone calls at 3:30 AM are significant to you because you have to get up for work in 2 hours. 3:30 AM might as well be noon to Hernandez and his ilk.

 

[rembrat]

Not only that but everyone involved is young. Young people text at all times of the day. Lloyd's sister took a few minutes to reply not because she was asleep but because her phone lost charge. What would help is knowing how Lloyd's sister replied back. Did she text back, "Oh shit. Please be careful," or "lol ok." 

 

[Bob420]

So I assume this silver Toyota 4 Runner with RI plates that was towed from his uncle's house is the one from last summer.

 

[snowmanny]

 
You could infer that, sure, but 'Just so you know' is a commonly used phrase in the hip hop subculture. There is nothing sinister about i

He'd better hope the jury is all from the hip hop subculture, because that's not how I read those texts.

 

[rembrat]

He'd better hope the jury is all from the hip hop subculture, because that's not how I read those texts.

 
Do you really think someone who knew his life was in danger would be so subtle and understated?

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Yes.

 

[NortheasternPJ]

 
Do you really think someone who knew his life was in danger would be so subtle and understated?

What do you think he meant? Bragging to his sister that he was hanging out with nfl? Just checking in case of emergency? I'm 31 and white so I'm not part of the hip hop subculture.

Sure seems to average white guy saying did you see who I was with and making sure she knew was for some damn good reason.

 

[seageral]

he doesn't KNOW his life is in danger otherwise he wouldn't have gotten in the car in the first place.  he suspects and doesn't want to make things worse if he gets caught.

 

[Oil Can Dan]

He'd better hope the jury is all from the hip hop subculture, because that's not how I read those texts.


Do you really think someone who knew his life was in danger would be so subtle and understated?

Do you really think someone that hung out with the guy on many, many occasions and that was dating a girl who had a sister that was engaged to him would bother pointing it out to his sister at 3:32am that he was again hanging out with him? Or is it more likely he became scared and unsure of what was really happening and wanted to be sure someone close to him knew who he was with? Had he texted "I think Aaron Hernandez is about to kill me", and then all that happened was that they were trying to scare him, well then he'd look pretty foolish.

And I suspect he was likely trying to minimize the texting so as to keep it on the down low. We'll likely not know what really went down in that car, but I doubt they'd have been cool with him texting.

So yes, I totally believe he could be so subtle and understated.

 

[Monbo Jumbo]

He'd better hope the jury is all from the hip hop subculture, because that's not how I read those texts.
 
Do you really think someone who knew his life was in danger would be so subtle and understated?You're naive.

He may not have known if they were scaring him, or serious. But he's clearly letting his sister know who he's with. That's for a reason.

Think about it.

 

[notfar]

I think there is an unstated "in case anything happens to me" after "just so you know".

 

[rembrat]

And we've gotten off the rails here. All I said was that Lloyd used a common, throwaway phrase that can be taken more than one way. There is sealed sworn affidavit so we should know more details as this goes to trial.

 

[mauidano]

Gonna get real when these sisters testify. One for the prosecution and one for the defense. Got to be un fucking real in their lives/family right now. Sunday dinner with mom and dad just not going to be the same.

 

[CaptainLaddie]

And we've gotten off the rails here. All I said was that Lloyd used a common, throwaway phrase that can be taken more than one way. There is sealed sworn affidavit so we should know more details as this goes to trial.

 

WELL FOLKS LETS MOVE IT OVER TO URBAN DICTIONARY:
 
A phrase tacked on to the end of a statement to imply that the information being given is simply a courtesy, when in reality there are specific expectations of you now that you have this information
 
Now that's the second definition.  First is a literal explanation of "just so you know".