Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots
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bougrj1 said:
I believe that's how they finally tracked down Bin Laden as well. Snowden prefers Words With Friends, much harder to locate.
Ha. Sadly at this point if 4square came up in evidence I would be in no way surprised. He left a trail of FREAKING CANDY TO FOLLOW. I can't mentally accept how stupidly these guys acted.
[beaten to it... Except 'cruds' would be the likely phonetic result, as opposed to 'croods'...]Monbo Jumbo said:
Pretty cool... Patriots offering free exchanges on Hernandez jerseys: http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Patriots-ProShop-To-Offer-Free-Exchange-On-81-Jerseys-July-6-7/f0e0d7e3-cb8f-442f-9a48-29f1e551b228
bougrj1 said:
Awesome. And anyone who wears his jersey next year to be funny or ironic is a complete asshat, IMO.
bougrj1 said:
This is an incredibly cool thing to do.
Interestingly there are still a few vestiges of Hernandez on the Pats site...
http://www.patriots.com/team/roster/aaron-hernandez/012786d5-013e-49ad-9ae9-39f27bca40d7/
Sucks that it says 81 jerseys. I got my brother an 85 Hernandez jersey before his number changed. Maybe they'll trade it for a Tebow jersey.bougrj1 said:
Is it cool or is it just a way to sever any associations - including the constant headache of cameras catching the name 'Hernandez' on Pats jerseys in the stands?bsj said:
Commander Shears said:
It's probably a large combination of both. Good PR decision either way.
Dont forget the "hey, as long as I'm down here exchanging it, I might as well pick up a cap/tshirt/hoodie for my (loved one)" factor.Commander Shears said:
Pretty smart, actually.
Having Tebow and a couple others signing autographs would be marketing genius
Edit - Gronk would be amazing, but I assume he's still insanely pissed at the whole situation. If convicted, I wish Hernandez could be sentenced to death by Gronk
Edit - Gronk would be amazing, but I assume he's still insanely pissed at the whole situation. If convicted, I wish Hernandez could be sentenced to death by Gronk
jtn46 said:
I called the Pro Shop and they said they'd accept 85 jerseys as well (that's what I have). Time for Chandler Jones? Hightower? Collins? Decisions, decisions.
I can't wait to see pictures in Newsweek of hundreds of young Ugandan rebels wearing Hernandez jerseys that were sent there from Good Will.
You think they'll turn anything near a profit? Losing $50-$75 a jersey their cost?SMU_Sox said:
cromulence said:
I looked at the Reddit link CaptainLaddie provided and the text messages are exactly the same, so it must be the way the author of those notes has transcribed the details from watching the arraignment, I presume, but the people involved certainly wouldn't be the first to have a manner of communication incongruent with their image.
Just slap "Ocho Cinco" over "Hernandez" and I'm sure they'll let you swap it out.jtn46 said:
Their cost is not manufactured cost. It's a common business practice called a "mark up".NortheasternPJ said:
I shit you not.
And regardless, the reason for the move as has been stated above, in all likelihood probably had zero to do with profit.
So on an $85 jersey what do you think they get it for? $10? $40? I'd imagine they're not getting 100% markup. I agree it's not for profit but it seems like a rush to be controversial.quint said:
NortheasternPJ said:
I would imagine it's' close to 150%. Clothing markup is pretty damned high, and I bet the NFL gets a pretty good deal from Nike(or whoever makes the jerseys). It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was closer to 200%.
Darnell's Son said:
Indeed, certainly closer to 200% than 50%. NFL licensed apparel is a huge profit center. How much do you think it costs to stitch together a jersey in China?
I assumed the cost for the jersey was anywhere from $5 to $ 45. Even assuming a high end hit I think people will pick up other stuff there to negate the cost of a trade in jersey. Look, the goal is to get them in the store. Once the consumer is in the store he or she can buy additional merchandise. Is this just subsidizing present sales qt the expense of future ones (e.g. cash for clunkers)? Possibly but again I'll bet against that. I doubt enough consumers are going to not buy merchandise at the store while they get a new jersey and not buy future merchandise on time because of this event to impact the net profitability of this event.
We don't have the numbers so it is impossible to say. My experience is in CPG and not clothing but I have friends who do what I do for jcp, target, belk, etc and we've talked shop enough so that I feel comfortable making my argument.
We don't have the numbers so it is impossible to say. My experience is in CPG and not clothing but I have friends who do what I do for jcp, target, belk, etc and we've talked shop enough so that I feel comfortable making my argument.
Average Reds said:
And one more major one: the general public at the time still did not accept DNA evidence in the way that they came to even a couple of years later, which is a large part of the credibility of a conspiracy. It would be like if you brought the Hernandez case 10-15 years ago, and the jury concluded that it was impossible for the police to really know where he phone was, get texting records, etc., and thus it was a frame job. Today? He's deservedly screwed with even a fraction of this timeline.
SMU understands what I'm getting at. Besides, I believe goodwill was a bigger factor than profit when they put this together. But it wouldnt surprise me if profit was likely a secondary, or tertiary consideration. And I'm not saying that as a value judgement. They're entitled to it.
JayMags71 said:
I couldn't agree more. Any possible financial damages done by providing this opportunity to exchange is negated by the fact that no one is wearing a Patriots' jersey that essentially says "Murderer" on the back. It also shows just how much the Patriots are willing to do to distance themselves from someone that is a despicable human being. That counts for something.
Just wondering how that conversation between the sisters is going? AH's GF is the sis the sister of Lloyd. Awkward family situation for sure. Your sisters boyfriend allegedly killed your boyfriend. Interesting dynamic.
Well neither is jealous of the other living happily ever after.
Well neither is jealous of the other living happily ever after.
Hambone said:
How a Gronk execution would play out: "He was so little," said Gronk. "I was jus playin’ with him… an’ he made like he’s gonna bite me… an’ I made like I was gonna smack him … an’… an’ I done it. An’ then he was dead."
Gotta be a tense situation. AH's girl got the money...for now.
That money is not going to last much longer than a piece of bubble gum.
That money is not going to last much longer than a piece of bubble gum.
I don't like how the Pats are doing this jersey trade. I feel like it will give people incentive to keep their AH stuff if a concerted effort from the NFL to make them as rare as possible is made known.
Then again I have very little faith in humanity.
Then again I have very little faith in humanity.
Marbleheader said:
It could be worth something 20+ years from now, you know.
After reviewing the evidence, I'm having a tough time coming up with a plausible strategy for the defense. I do think however this is going to trial unless Hernandez gets charged with another murder. The Defense Attorneys must love the idea of seeing themselves on TV everyday for the next 6+ months on a trial most people think is unwinnable.
I don't like how the Pats are doing this jersey trade. I feel like it will give people incentive to keep their AH stuff if a concerted effort from the NFL to make them as rare as possible is made known.
Then again I have very little faith in humanity.
Trust SoSH to turn a sports franchise making it easier for parents to take away their kid's Pats jersey into a negative.
Then again I have very little faith in humanity.
Trust SoSH to turn a sports franchise making it easier for parents to take away their kid's Pats jersey into a negative.
Average Reds said:
Fair enough.
You are right that there are significant differences between Hernandez's and OJ's cases, but part of that may be because Hernandez's trial hasn't even begun. The factors that you mention in OJ's case reared their heads in the trial itself. That is actually at the heart of my concern. OJ's prosecution felt it had a solid case, with the victims' blood found in OJ's car, the highly-touted DNA evidence, and experts to testify to its reliability as evidence. If in fact it was that kind of evidence trotted out at OJ's arraignment, it wouldn't have been too much of a stretch to predict the end of OJ. Only when the trial started did the factors listed in your post come into play. And what might have seemed irrefutable at an arraignment was, if not refuted, then very cleverly obfuscated by the defense with a huge assist from the prosecution, and OJ walked.
We are still at the arraignment stage with Hernandez's case. At the arraignment stage, none of the evidence presented can be said in the strictest terms to be effectively irrefutable, by the simple fact that it’s not offered up at trial and the defense hasn’t had its opportunity to study and refute the evidence. To be clear, in discussing this, I'm talking about the charge that's been leveled: first-degree murder. As I understand it, first-degree murder requires the defendant to be the actual perpetrator of the act, not merely the mastermind (posters who are lawyers, please correct me if I'm wrong). With regard to the video of Hernandez driving to the site just before the murder and leaving the site immediately after, it shows he was at the murder site but not that he pulled the trigger. Unless his buddies turn on him - which they well might have done, though the prosecutor doesn't mention them at the arraignment -- the defense can certainly create reasonable doubt there. After all, there were two other people in the car with Hernandez leaving the murder scene. Footage of him walking through his house with a gun in hand? Damning, but any good defense lawyer will argue that it only proves that he had a gun. Was it the actual weapon? Did the actual shooter hand it to him? At this stage, as well, police haven't yet recovered the murder weapon (as far as I know).
Given the evidence offered at Aaron's arraignment, common sense would tell us that it's a slam dunk and Aaron is done. But common sense isn't always relevant at trial. The same factors that ultimately derailed OJ’s prosecution (or any trial, for that matter) can still be at play here: the make-up of the jury; the competence during trial of counsel on both sides (which I do mention in my post); the strength and believability of witness testimonies; the technicalities of the law. In other words, our justice system at work.
I thought of OJ simply because it involved a professional athlete in a case surrounded by a media circus. In both cases, prosecutors appear(ed) to offer exceptionally strong evidence in favor of the defendant's guilt. One didn't succeed. I have concerns that the second may not, for reasons that might in the end have nothing to do with the evidence. That was the connection I was trying to make between this case and OJ's case. It may be a tenuous one at best, but that was what my post was trying to articulate.
The NYT has a good article about the ties between Hernandez and Odin Lloyd.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/sports/football/hernandez-and-murder-victim-where-diverse-paths-crossed.html?pagewanted=1
On another note, have been out of the country. Has ESPN's reporting on this story been helped by the fact thy they are based in Bristol, or has it been its usual self?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/sports/football/hernandez-and-murder-victim-where-diverse-paths-crossed.html?pagewanted=1
On another note, have been out of the country. Has ESPN's reporting on this story been helped by the fact thy they are based in Bristol, or has it been its usual self?
Yes but a lot more people felt/feel Vick got hosed due to being a high profile case, at least in terms of punishment. Not exactly the same when you're killing human(s).soxhop411 said:
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