Probably could have called a foul on the Tatum dunk to tie it up for OT as well.
Sweet dunk by Tatum though
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Probably could have called a foul on the Tatum dunk to tie it up for OT as well.
Sweet dunk by Tatum though
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Sucks that that non-call cost the Celtics homecourt. Probably could have beaten Miami with it.
Not to speak for lovegtm, but I believe that was said with tongue firmly in cheek
Would have faced MIA in first round instead. Not sure why that means BOS wins though
Just grabbed tix for tomorrow night, taking my almost 16 year old. If anyone is going to be in attendance, shoot me a message and we'll grab a beer. (well I will, my son will probably steal sips when I'm not looking).
Different game. Grant wasn't even with the team when Brown/Tatum went for 30 and Mitchell/LeVert went for 40.
We lost 3 different OT games to Cleveland last year. Yuck.
Oh wow, thats right. Looks like I mixed up the dates on that Tatum dunk too. The 30/30 and 40/40 games were on October 28, the video I posted is from November 2. Maybe this year they can try to finish those games in regulation.
Yes lol, was meant to be a dumb sarcastic comment about the value of the NBA regular season.
I just finished cruising through last night's game thread where JB made a miraculous climb into, I believe, the top 6 (but not quite the starting 5), so my sarcasm meter was already finely calibrated
He's the 14th player, with a two-way guy that could jump him. I wouldn't hold my breath on him cracking the rotation.
There is a greater chance he gets dealt than plays real minutes for Boston this season.
Development days for 2nd round 19-year-olds are over in Boston.
I wasn't expecting he'd crack the rotation, but with a huge lead like last night why not let the kid make his NBA debut for at least a couple minutes. I doubt he would have been any worse than the guys who did play in garbage time last night.
Maine is definitely the best place for him right now.
Obviously tiny tiny sample size, but KP and Tatum are posting up a TON, KP 21% of the time, and 16% for Tatum. Both have been extremely efficient, especially Zinger.
Within three feet of the rim, KP and Jaylen are shooting 72.7%, Tatum at 86% lol. That’s with having faced two elite defenses so far, and the Heat.
Within three feet of the rim, KP and Jaylen are shooting 72.7%, Tatum at 86% lol. That’s with having faced two elite defenses so far, and the Heat.
CJM wanted to get a look at PP, Hauser, Brissett, Banton, Kornet, Svi, and Stevens.
Guys fighting for #7-10 spots. Physically, Walsh is pretty far away from the WINGs in that group
If whatever we saw out of the Wizards last night was "elite defense", I'd hate to see league average, nevermind poor.
FWIW, I'm confident that Walsh will get a look later in the season. Right now CJM has two main nuts to crack (obviously beyond "stay healthy"): 1. Get a flow with the top 6 (get them used to playing with each other in various combinations), and 2. Sort out who the next 4-5 guys are. At this point it's fair to assume that PP and SH are next up, but after that it's a block of guys that includes Banton, Stevens, Brissett, Svi, and Kornet. Ideally he gets a good idea of what they can do in NBA action in games that count. Sure he has some idea already, but seeing them in real NBA games with this roster even against scrubs has value. Developmental minutes for Walsh shouldn't be on the agenda for the first couple of months at least. Let him shake off some of the Bambi effect in Maine while Joe tries to figure out what he has in the depth pieces. Depending on what he does up there and what they do in their limited chances, maybe he forces the issue.
I thought that comment about the Heat was a joke.
The Wizards would have been better if they didn't have a tiny lineup (the 6'9" Kuzma at C trying to guard KP) but I don't think they are ever going to be confused with an elite - or even good - defensive team. I mean, Jordan Poole is no one's idea of a lockdown guard.
It even goes deeper than this. There is a pecking order, a depth chart, that is earned and developed. Playing a guy over someone ahead of him on the depth chart without having a very good reason to do so isn't something any coach should do. That would not be a good message to send the player sent to the doghouse for no reason.
I'm not confident Walsh will get any opportunity this year. As BH pointed out, he's just as likely to be traded. He was an awful shooter in college and needs to show he can be better than awful in Maine. I expect that he will, but it might take some time.
Extremely small sample, but I'm pretty surprised Banton is getting off the bench before Svi (this also occurred during pre-season).Banton is a project with no current skills, whereas Svi is a vet with clear skills in passing and shooting (and has a decent handle to boot). In the terrible bench performance from the other night, Svi was the only one who ended up with a positive plus/minus. I expect him to crack the back end of the rotation soon.
Yeah, I get the theory of Banton as a PG, but Svi seems like much more of a threat with the ball in his hands.
It's all a small sample obviously but it has looked to me like Payton has struggled to initiate and Banton doesn't have a ton to offer playing off the ball and maybe both would benefit from swapping roles a bit, at least in those bench mob minutes.
Banton had one preseason game where the Celtics sat their top 6 and he started and could effectively get to the rim against the other team's starters. That's a legit skill, and 6'9" or whatever he is is legit size. I haven't seen enough of a game around that - haven't seen enough passing, his shot is not good, he isn't even great at finishing around the rim even though he can get there, and I'm not sure he has the ballhandling to bring it up against pressure. He's young, though. I wonder if he is a guy who needs to spend a few years in Europe refining skills before coming back.
I agree Svi is a better guy for stepping into the lineup and providing offensive value, I would expect him to get a look if the bench continues to suck.
Svi can play off ball and can come off screens and shoot, so rght away that makes him a better fit than Banton. Because Banton can't shoot, he needs the ball in his hands and it is far from clear he can do enough with it when he has it. I can see why the Celtics took a flyer on him though: a big guy who can get to the rim and finish and kick to open guys would have some value on this team.
I agree Svi is a better guy for stepping into the lineup and providing offensive value, I would expect him to get a look if the bench continues to suck.
Svi can play off ball and can come off screens and shoot, so rght away that makes him a better fit than Banton. Because Banton can't shoot, he needs the ball in his hands and it is far from clear he can do enough with it when he has it. I can see why the Celtics took a flyer on him though: a big guy who can get to the rim and finish and kick to open guys would have some value on this team.
It's not all about shooting though.
I don't expect Walsh to get into a rotation this year, so I think that we're more aligned on this than you might think. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets in 10ish games in the second half of the season to get his feet wet. Maybe he won't. My overarching point is that the guys with more physically mature NBA bodies will get first crack. Developmental minutes are inherently limited on a contender like this with a defined top 6.
Yeah, i think Joe sees the upside with Banton as a big guard who can help mask some of PP's defensive shortcomings so he likes the idea of them playing together. The problem is Banton is completely useless both on and off-ball (and despite his size, is no defensive monster) and PP is fairly useless off-ball unless he's standing in the corner. They're a terrible pairing.
I think Svi gets an undeserved bad rap on defense and he seems to me a much more logical fit with Pritchard.
Funny enough, Boston's TOP6 has made the bench the only intrigue/drama this season.
Banton & Brissett signed/joined Boston earlier than Stevens/Svi. Banton/Brissett showed up at the Auerbach Center early this summer and worked their asses off. Like HRB points out there are unwritten rules on how bench pecking orders operate. CJM is giving them an initial chance to climb into the TOP10 ladder.
Banton's age/size/ball-handling skills make him intriguing but still a project (but more developed & 4+yrs older than Walsh)
Brissett/Stevens/Svi all have similar age/NBA experience profiles. Expect them to fight it out for the 10th-man role.
(figure Hauser/PP will start shooting 3s at a 40%+ rate and retain 7/8).
When nagging injuries/load mgmt start happening to the TOP6 in the next month we'll see PP/SH/10/11 mixed in much more.
ALSO hope CJM gives Svi Myk a long look to see if he can be a Hauser clone. If Sam goes on a 3pt heater Brad may need to trade his cheap contract to get a playable 3rd BIG
Banton & Brissett signed/joined Boston earlier than Stevens/Svi. Banton/Brissett showed up at the Auerbach Center early this summer and worked their asses off. Like HRB points out there are unwritten rules on how bench pecking orders operate. CJM is giving them an initial chance to climb into the TOP10 ladder.
Banton's age/size/ball-handling skills make him intriguing but still a project (but more developed & 4+yrs older than Walsh)
Brissett/Stevens/Svi all have similar age/NBA experience profiles. Expect them to fight it out for the 10th-man role.
(figure Hauser/PP will start shooting 3s at a 40%+ rate and retain 7/8).
When nagging injuries/load mgmt start happening to the TOP6 in the next month we'll see PP/SH/10/11 mixed in much more.
ALSO hope CJM gives Svi Myk a long look to see if he can be a Hauser clone. If Sam goes on a 3pt heater Brad may need to trade his cheap contract to get a playable 3rd BIG
If Hauser is lighting it up from 3, I don't think there's any way they would deal him for a 3rd-string big.
Svi Myk would have to come in and produce for 2-3 months for Brad to consider it
An analytically inclined GM may combine Sam's defensive #s + shooting and come to the conclusion that he is a high-end 3&D WING/starter. While I love Sam and think he's better/more valuable than PP, he benefits greatly by playing with several All-NBA level defenders.
His contract makes him a valuable trade chit. Brad has his finger on the trigger and nobody outside the TOP6 should give up their rental to buy in Wellesley
Congrats to the Clippers on their Week 1 Halfcourt Championship
More seriously, note the (net) top 10, which probably bears watching:
1. LAC 24.1
2. DEN 15.6
3. BOS 13.1
4. PHI 11.8
5. IND 10.3
6. GSW 9.0
7. DAL 8.8
8. SAC 7.9
9. OKC 7.7
10. PHX 4.8
Philly, Indiana, Dallas and OKC. I don't think of the first 3 as big fast-break / transition teams, so their ranking high up on a list of halfcourt performance probably bears watching, as it stabilizes over the next few weeks.
More seriously, note the (net) top 10, which probably bears watching:
1. LAC 24.1
2. DEN 15.6
3. BOS 13.1
4. PHI 11.8
5. IND 10.3
6. GSW 9.0
7. DAL 8.8
8. SAC 7.9
9. OKC 7.7
10. PHX 4.8
Philly, Indiana, Dallas and OKC. I don't think of the first 3 as big fast-break / transition teams, so their ranking high up on a list of halfcourt performance probably bears watching, as it stabilizes over the next few weeks.
In years past it seemed like the C's struggled to contain jitterbug PGs (HOFer Ish Smith).
It was nice to see Jrue lock Jordan Poole right up. In one instance JP dribbled into JH and completely collapsed.
Maybe something to keep a casual eye on with Maxey & Dame.
note: Quickly had a nice Game 1, but Jrue was busy with Randle
It was nice to see Jrue lock Jordan Poole right up. In one instance JP dribbled into JH and completely collapsed.
Maybe something to keep a casual eye on with Maxey & Dame.
note: Quickly had a nice Game 1, but Jrue was busy with Randle
Indy and OKC both are attmepting to play faster (Indy with Haliburton and then acquiring Obi Toppin and drafting Jarace Walker).Congrats to the Clippers on their Week 1 Halfcourt Championship
More seriously, note the (net) top 10, which probably bears watching:
1. LAC 24.1
2. DEN 15.6
3. BOS 13.1
4. PHI 11.8
5. IND 10.3
6. GSW 9.0
7. DAL 8.8
8. SAC 7.9
9. OKC 7.7
10. PHX 4.8
Philly, Indiana, Dallas and OKC. I don't think of the first 3 as big fast-break / transition teams, so their ranking high up on a list of halfcourt performance probably bears watching, as it stabilizes over the next few weeks.
Philly is the big surprise to me...Tyrese Maxey in full effect I guess
Poole went home and kicked his dog that night. White drove him nuts too, albeit to a lesser extent. Will be interesting to see how we defend the quicks.
Thought we handled Brunson pretty well, and Quickly's night went well because he was thermonuclear from 3.
Looking forward to Maxey.
Tried to take a look at buyout candidates making below the non-taxpayer MLE and found a few interesting names but it’s not pretty.
Delon Wright
Kelly Olynyk
Jeff Green
Monte Morris
Alec Burks
Delon Wright
Kelly Olynyk
Jeff Green
Monte Morris
Alec Burks
Any one of those guys would be fine if the Cs want to add a body. Given the sample sizes, I feel like bench scoring will be more of a problem for this squad than big depth so I'd lean Burks or maybe Morris. It does feel like Olynyk covers both and he feels like a Brad circle of trust type but who knows.
I can't see choosing one over the rest as the difference between getting bounced and another banner but you never know.
What a difference a game makes. Another blowout, another 4th quarter bench effort, but this time the Celtics got a lot more from the bench in both regular and garbage time.
The Celtics were ahead at the half, 75-54, and the bench had 14 points and played pretty well alongside the starters. They got more minutes, too, with the Celtic starters getting ~15 minutes each.
The starters also played most of the third quarter, which the Celtics win 34-17.
The Celtics went into the 4th up 109-71, and it was all bench players in the 4th.
But tonight, the bench scored 46 points in the 4th - the highest scoring quarter of the game. They also allowed 33, Indiania's higher scoring quarter.
The Celtics 155 points was their third highest regulation score in franchise history.
Pritchard played 26 minutes and was a +32 (3rd on the team behind Tatum and White), scoring 15 points on 6-10 shooting and adding a team-leading 9 assists. It was like he was a different guy.
Hauser also got his shot to fall, playing 19 minutes and scoring 17 points, including 5-6 from three.
Brissett's stats look lousy: 4 points, 1 rebound, 2 steals in 19 minutes, but he was a +21 in 19 minutes and he made some hustle plays.
Banton was able to get to the rim, scoring 11 points on 4-4 shooting, all in the 4th.
Mykhailiuk and Stevens also played and had their moments.
From a coaching perspective, it looked like JM made a real effort to give Pritchard, Hauser, and Brissett some real minutes in the first half, and I would also guess that... things were said to the all the backups after the 4th quarter debacle in Washington.
The Celtics were ahead at the half, 75-54, and the bench had 14 points and played pretty well alongside the starters. They got more minutes, too, with the Celtic starters getting ~15 minutes each.
The starters also played most of the third quarter, which the Celtics win 34-17.
The Celtics went into the 4th up 109-71, and it was all bench players in the 4th.
But tonight, the bench scored 46 points in the 4th - the highest scoring quarter of the game. They also allowed 33, Indiania's higher scoring quarter.
The Celtics 155 points was their third highest regulation score in franchise history.
Pritchard played 26 minutes and was a +32 (3rd on the team behind Tatum and White), scoring 15 points on 6-10 shooting and adding a team-leading 9 assists. It was like he was a different guy.
Hauser also got his shot to fall, playing 19 minutes and scoring 17 points, including 5-6 from three.
Brissett's stats look lousy: 4 points, 1 rebound, 2 steals in 19 minutes, but he was a +21 in 19 minutes and he made some hustle plays.
Banton was able to get to the rim, scoring 11 points on 4-4 shooting, all in the 4th.
Mykhailiuk and Stevens also played and had their moments.
From a coaching perspective, it looked like JM made a real effort to give Pritchard, Hauser, and Brissett some real minutes in the first half, and I would also guess that... things were said to the all the backups after the 4th quarter debacle in Washington.
+/-of 36/27/20/34/22 for the starters. None of them played more than 27 minutes. Gonna be interesting how they handle health and workload this season, because this team is very very legit.
Would like to see where Indiana falls to after tonight’s massacreCongrats to the Clippers on their Week 1 Halfcourt Championship
More seriously, note the (net) top 10, which probably bears watching:
1. LAC 24.1
2. DEN 15.6
3. BOS 13.1
4. PHI 11.8
5. IND 10.3
6. GSW 9.0
7. DAL 8.8
8. SAC 7.9
9. OKC 7.7
10. PHX 4.8
Philly, Indiana, Dallas and OKC. I don't think of the first 3 as big fast-break / transition teams, so their ranking high up on a list of halfcourt performance probably bears watching, as it stabilizes over the next few weeks.
They filter garbage time out of those stats, so this game shouldn't affect their numbers...