2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread
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Unfortunately just seems like this is who TL is going forward…
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Yup, it's sad. People really over-agonized about that trade; I thought it was a fist-pump. The last time I felt like that was getting off IT right before his body completely fell apart.
I'm glad for Rob that he was able to lock in life-changing money before that first knee injury.
Speaking of former Celtics' centers: doesn't Theis make the most sense to try and bring back? The Pacers have completely buried him, and seem unlikely to exercise his team option next year, which might make him a buyout candidate (unless Indy wants to keep that option for salary matching).
I *think* you could also aggregate min salaries for him post Dec 15, but I'm admittedly fuzzy on those edge-case matching rules.
Based on his summer play with Germany, he seems like a significant upgrade on Kornet.
I *think* you could also aggregate min salaries for him post Dec 15, but I'm admittedly fuzzy on those edge-case matching rules.
Based on his summer play with Germany, he seems like a significant upgrade on Kornet.
Golden State and Cleveland are inaugural members of the National Kickball League.
out of Brogdon, Smart, TimeLord, and Grant....
Grant (on that contract) is the best acquisition of the bunch
Warriors lock down the Brazilian Jayson Tatum.
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I think that there's a difference between bad/contributes nothing and bad/at least takes the ball away sometimes. Not to hump AI here, but to me defensive impact of guys who at least take the ball away gets reflected in the numbers a bit. Yes, he was bad. But on a continuum there's a big difference between Dame/Trae bad and say LaVine/Booker/Rozier bad. Maybe he would have been worse on teams that couldn't hide him as much. Hard to say with the difference in era too.
I think the way offenses now attack weak defensive players is very different than 20 years ago. For starters, you have way more offensively skilled players, go back to 2000 and watch a game and just see how many people are on the floor that just can't really do anything on offense. And in the matchup-hunting style now, I think it's way more destructive to have a Trae-level defender on the floor than it would have been during Iverson's prime.
Do people realize that AI was named Big East defensive player of the year?
I think there's a huge difference even between guys like LaVine and Booker versus AI. AI tried on defensive. Maybe he spent so much energy on offense he had to conserve something somewhere but it's not like he didn't compete. I can only imagine how good AI would be today with the rules allowing free flow of movement.
Someone at Liberty Ballers went through some of AI's past games in 2022: here's an article with some game clip. https://www.libertyballers.com/2022/8/10/23296940/how-i-learned-to-love-allen-iverson-philadelphia-76ers-nba-sixers-hall-of-fame
That's such an incredible bummer. For my money, he was the 3rd most exciting Celtic to watch over the last decade (after IT and Tatum), and it truly sucks that injuries are going to keep him from his ceiling.
Poor TImelord, what a bummer.
He may have been "injured" against the Grizzlies (I didnt see it), but this may just be progressive cartilage loss and arthritis as the main underlying issue. Might be headed for a Lonzo Ball style osteochondral transplant, who knows.
Portland must have known he was semi-damaged goods and still OK rolling the dice. I'm not sure how much value he had in the grand scheme of things compared to the picks and Brogdon/whatever picks Brogdon will fetch.
He may have been "injured" against the Grizzlies (I didnt see it), but this may just be progressive cartilage loss and arthritis as the main underlying issue. Might be headed for a Lonzo Ball style osteochondral transplant, who knows.
Portland must have known he was semi-damaged goods and still OK rolling the dice. I'm not sure how much value he had in the grand scheme of things compared to the picks and Brogdon/whatever picks Brogdon will fetch.
Oh interesting, I didn't even look I just assumed it was the same knee, good call.
If it's his other knee, and he really did have an acute new injury, that might actually be better news. Potentially fixable and not just more worsening of a chronic issue.
Having said that, on the flip side, now maybe he's got 2 bad knees instead of 1....
When healthy TL is a complete game-changer. Ugh, hope he can return since he is so fun to watch.
I guess PDX is in a situation where they can wait to see if he ever returns to being that player.
The Celtics OTOH just couldn't do that anymore.
Glad he has a multi-year deal.
Once again Brad got it right.
I guess PDX is in a situation where they can wait to see if he ever returns to being that player.
The Celtics OTOH just couldn't do that anymore.
Glad he has a multi-year deal.
Once again Brad got it right.
I was watching the game online to follow Dayton grad Toumani Camara. It really was just a knee bump, but Rob seemed to know it was bad immediately. The Blazers played 4 on 5 until they could foul someone to stop play. Timelord headed straight to the locker-room.
Really sucks for him and the young Blazers squad.
He wouldn't need surgery for an isolated MCL tear.
I kind of doubt the typical automatic surgical knee issues like ACL, patellar tendon/quad tendon, displaced fracture (I'm guessing they would have said one of these already).
More likely displaced meniscus tear or displaced osteochondral injury (knocked off a big piece of cartilage). Those are also often surgical, but the specific surgical plan might take some time to figure out.
New tweet from Chams with "bone and ligament damage" talk. Possible major surgery vs a clean up.
Hard to know what to make of that, though if he banged knees might be a transient patellar dislocation... often knock off some cartilage and tear your medial patellofemoral ligament.
What a bummer.
Hard to know what to make of that, though if he banged knees might be a transient patellar dislocation... often knock off some cartilage and tear your medial patellofemoral ligament.
What a bummer.
It is a bummer to see him injured no matter what, but I have a sad feeling that he played through injury and didn’t put his own health first, and got traded anyway. That sucks.
Could not hate this more for TL. So much fun to watch, such a good dude. He deserves better than this. Glad he got his bag first.
That sucks. I'd be more worried about the bone/cartilage stuff than the ligament piece there. Sounds like a future of knee swelling/soreness. Fuck.
Twolves look legit. If they can still spin KAT off for an all-star level player that plays defense, they can contend for a title now.
In my mid-20s, I was a crazy jazz (not Jazz) fan, talking my way onto guest lists and seeing multiple shows every week. One remarkable thing then (early nineties) was that somehow some of the earliest groundbreakers were still around and doing shows, Lionel Hampton for instance was in Louis Armstrong’s band in 1930.
In 1991 I saw this all-star show, every guy here a legend to different degrees, all in their sixties/seventies/eighties:
“ For a 1991 gig at the Blue Note in New York, vibraphonist Lionel Hampton headed a nonet full of classic veterans that were termed "the Golden Men of Jazz": trumpeters Clark Terry and Harry "Sweets" Edison, tenors James Moody and Buddy Tate, trombonist Al Grey, pianist Hank Jones, bassist Milt Hinton and drummer Grady Tate. ”
Incredible to see and connect with all that history but the great players were obviously not what they used to be, although still quite solid and professional.
Anyway for some reason this came to mind during the fourth quarter of tonight’s Clippers game.
In 1991 I saw this all-star show, every guy here a legend to different degrees, all in their sixties/seventies/eighties:
“ For a 1991 gig at the Blue Note in New York, vibraphonist Lionel Hampton headed a nonet full of classic veterans that were termed "the Golden Men of Jazz": trumpeters Clark Terry and Harry "Sweets" Edison, tenors James Moody and Buddy Tate, trombonist Al Grey, pianist Hank Jones, bassist Milt Hinton and drummer Grady Tate. ”
Incredible to see and connect with all that history but the great players were obviously not what they used to be, although still quite solid and professional.
Anyway for some reason this came to mind during the fourth quarter of tonight’s Clippers game.
That's how I did my PCL eons ago. Straight on direct blunt force. I winced just now thinking about it.
Yeah, having a player make the leap, as Ant is doing, completely changes a team's trajectory.
I wonder what trade value Towns still has.
I enjoy an elaborate setup and punchline.Anyway for some reason this came to mind during the fourth quarter of tonight’s Clippers game.
Gotta think neutral to slightly negative value at 4/$220M after this season, with his injury history, body type, and question marks about his defense and general commitment to winning. Hard to think of too many teams that would be hot to take on that contract, or of comparable players on bloated ~$55M deals who he could be traded for.
I think the Lakers are on the path to being in need of another mid-season shakeup because I don't think they are very good.
They currently rank 25th in Offensive Rating and are 29th in 3pt%, and that is with both LeBron and Davis playing a ton of minutes. The rest of the lineup is pretty questionable. Reaves was a good player when people didn't take this random white guy seriously, but as the third option on a supposed title contender, I think he is miscast in that role. D'lo is D'lo, even though he has been kind of good this season. Cam Reddish is seeing major minutes. Christian Wood isn't a winning player. Hachimura has turned back into a pumpkin. Max Christie. I think Ham will be the first to go if things don't turn around, but other than that I don't see a ton of options for them.
They currently rank 25th in Offensive Rating and are 29th in 3pt%, and that is with both LeBron and Davis playing a ton of minutes. The rest of the lineup is pretty questionable. Reaves was a good player when people didn't take this random white guy seriously, but as the third option on a supposed title contender, I think he is miscast in that role. D'lo is D'lo, even though he has been kind of good this season. Cam Reddish is seeing major minutes. Christian Wood isn't a winning player. Hachimura has turned back into a pumpkin. Max Christie. I think Ham will be the first to go if things don't turn around, but other than that I don't see a ton of options for them.
On a present day basis, you're probably correct but in terms of future value, if MIN wanted to dump KAT, they'd get some value for him because teams are always wiling to take a chance on talent and KAT has that in spades.
The problem is that MIN actually wants to be good and dealing KAT is going to be a present-day downgrade in all likelihood.
At first I thought this was a post about the Utah Jazz and I was like man what a loser
What does a KAT/Randle trade look like? Two guys who would probably be best served by a change of scenery with Randle being the better skillset fit next to Gobert. "Who says no?" -BS
You think Thibs is going to go for a second helping of KAT?
Maybe he should bring in Butler while he's doing that, just to set the tone.
Agreed with most of this (it's especially fun seeing Hachimura turn back into the player he was for the first 90% of his career), but Russell has been terrible this year. He's basically the same guy he's been for his whole career, but shooting .279 from 3. His net rating looks pretty good (+7.4 per 100), but that's only because him and Lebron play more minutes together than any other duo on the Lakers, and the third highest duo is Russell and Davis (82% of his minutes have been with Lebron and 76% of his minutes have been with Davis). He talked before the year about wanting to play like Derrick White, but if he actually played like White, the Lakers would be title ready.
That's what I thought at first, then I realized he was talking about jazz music and I thought maybe he posted in the wrong forum. Then I got to the end and was like huh, then I thought about it, and was like, fuck, thats pretty damn perfect.
Quality message boarding right there, brought along by awesome storytelling.
Randle is probably the best like-for-like trade
but I've rounded up some of the usual suspects of varying degrees:
Markkanen, Ingram, Lavine, Siakam, Tobias Harris+++, Herro+++
The LaVine one is intriguing as Chicago has to break up that gang. What a difference without Ball orchestrating that group.