2023-2024 General NBA Season Thread
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Giannis ejected after getting 2 T's. The 2nd one was a nothingburger. The refs are incredibly inconsistent night to night.
I came up with Dejounte/Siakam/OG/LaVine.
KAT is more talented than all of them but he’s just a terrible fit on that Minnesota team
I like the OG fit the best. That would be one hell of a defensive team replacing KAT with a guy like OG locking down the perimeter.
Dejounte would be a great fit for them.
Ant Edwards is their clear #1, but not sure KAT will play nice with that situation.
After tonight they are 5-2 and have looked really good this year. I think they may have something with the 2 big lineup of KAT/Gobert/Naz
I think Steph taunts more on half his outrageous number of three pointers than Giannis did on that dunk. And I don’t mean that as a knock on Steph at all. Absolutely insane to T that up.
They forgot to include, "Official who assessed the technical foul admittedly forgot that Giannis already had one."
On the live initial play I thought "well of course that looks like taunting", but on the replays - starting 1'30" here - it looks like he's more just steaming from finishing the play and immediately turns away. I think that's probably a bit excessive, but mostly because I'm not even sure he intended to taunt. I'm not gonna go in for "well how much taunting is acceptable", if you're taunting your opponents it should be a tech imo. But Giannis looked at Stewart for like less than half a second and turns away, doesn't flex or anything... that's really, really borderline.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsldTtZ1VsA
The Athletic's Charania is reporting that the NBA may go to a 2 night NBA Draft. God, please no.
https://theathletic.com/5044569/2023/11/08/nba-draft-format-days-2024/
https://theathletic.com/5044569/2023/11/08/nba-draft-format-days-2024/
Nesmith averaging 13 a game on 49% from deep so far, 68% TS, +5.8 on/off.
Obviously that will correct a fair amount, but that contract is going to be a bargain.
Obviously that will correct a fair amount, but that contract is going to be a bargain.
He indirectly lead to Jrue so I’ll never regret it but 2023 Nesmith would be a great bench fit for this team.
It was a good trade for both teams.
Nesmith is picking up Giannis full court and hitting Corner3s.
Nice role player for the modern NBA
Both after deep summer runs....who woulda ever thunk it? Both could be lottery teams this year if things break wrong for them.
This has been a great game. Pacers came storming back from a 10-point 4th Q deficit, having led by 18 early and then pissing it away. Pacers up 3 on the Bucks with 8 seconds left. Edit: and they take them down. Story of the final few minutes was that Giannis refused to pass the ball when he was inside the perimeter and stopped. Got double teamed a few times and they stripped him and ran a fast break.
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In recent years, I try to not watch much NBA the first month or two so I’m less burnt out by playoff time. I have been watching way too much so far though, so I appreciate these gimmicky courts (Mexico City game tonight) as that is an instant channel flipper for me. It looked like they were playing on a giant wheel of cheese…
Not really. The only two players to average at least 25 ppg and shoot at least 60% from the field are McHale in 86-87 and Zion in 20-21. And as you said, Jokic is taking almost five threes a game while McHale and Zion didn't shoot hardly any.
Right, over 60% is super rare. Didn’t realize Zion did it. But he doesn’t take many 3s. And how many games did he play in.
The Atlantic is shaping up like a meat grinder. The Sixers look better this year, to be honest, the Knicks are still tough, and the Nets and Raptors aren't packing it in (although that could change at the deadline). Good thing the division doesn't matter.
He is hilarious — best player in the world right now by a decent margin. But just to put “FG%” in context:
Effective field goal percentage: Curry .672, Jokic .660
True shooting percentage: Curry .716, Jokic .677
Steph is also slightly ahead of the Joker in usage and scoring volume. (Not saying “Steph better” — just noting that FG% without context does not tell us much).
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… I’d also note that Steph gets marginally hosed every year by eFG%, TS%, and FG% by the fact that he puts up more heaves than any other player (2 so far this season, 104 career).
In SRN’s Just Scorekeeping Universe, players would get punished by TS% with 1 fga for wasting a possession when they swallow the ball at the buzzer, and rewarded with 0 fga (as with a sacrifice fly or sacrifice bunt) when they heave it.
In SRN’s Just Scorekeeping Universe, players would get punished by TS% with 1 fga for wasting a possession when they swallow the ball at the buzzer, and rewarded with 0 fga (as with a sacrifice fly or sacrifice bunt) when they heave it.
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… And so it’s not just about Steph: the delta in scoring efficiency between Tatum and Jokic is not nearly as big as “FG%” makes it appear: Tatum .653 TS, Jokic .677.
I'd sign up for that. It counts as a turnover when you're holding the ball at the end of the 24-second clock, it should be something if you get the ball with more than 2 seconds left and don't launch it.
Agreed. Though on the flipside, I'd also amend the turnover rule slightly so as not to give players or teams turnovers for "mercy hold” shot-clock violations at the end of games with the outcome 100% decided. Basically they need to allow room for more common sense "spirit of the game" amendments to scorekeeping that better account for player intent and/or a play's effect on winning/losing.
Edit: and more a media issue than a scorekeeping issue, but with as many threes as all NBA teams put up these days, it's fairly amazing to me that journalists still cite "FG%” as a measure of efficiency, absent any context of 3FGA, as much as they do.
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One of my absolute favorite things about Steph. You know the dude mainly cares about winning when he always heaves shots before the buzzer rather than right after.
It's a different league. In his prime (1994-2006), Shaq shot .582 from 2. Compare that to Jokic since 2021, he's at .645 from 2. Does this mean that Jokic is far more efficient scorer inside the arc? Not necessarily, because it's a different league. Shaq led the league in 2p% 8 times over that 13 year stretch, unbelievable considering he averaged over 18 fga/game/.
What Jokic is doing is unbelievable, but I have a hard time with historical comparisons because offensive efficiency is just off the charts right now.
You never know when some nitwit will leap into Steph (Grant) as he tries an end-of-quarter buzzer heave
I think he takes them because he legitimately believes he's going to make the shot. There is no doubt in my mind about this....and many he does.
I know the Clippers will likely gel and it's very early to critique them, but it's really hard to see where the defense will ever come from in their new configuration. They have a very smart front office, and I understand wanting to get Harden, but they sure seem like a more talented but radically less balanced club right now. More of a fantasy team than a team that complements each other on the court.
2nd note from Mavs-Clips: much as can't stand Kyrie, when he's on damn if he isn't amazing. That handle is remarkable.
2nd note from Mavs-Clips: much as can't stand Kyrie, when he's on damn if he isn't amazing. That handle is remarkable.
I dunno about this. The Clippers have been one of the best defensive teams in the league this year (6th in Def Eff entering tonight) with Bones Hyland starting so Harden isn't a downgrade at all there and they are adding Tucker who can be very useful in this area. Dallas' offense is lethal when Doncic and Kyrie both have it going and when they are like tonight it doesn't matter who is defending them so I don't rate this against the Clipper defense.
This Phoenix court is absolutely the ugliest playing surface I have ever seen in my 76 years, including the early 60’s Rhode Island Auditorium.
I like the Phoenix court more than I like "El Valle" on the front of their jerseys. Why not just have it say "patronizing" and cut out the middleman?
These court colors remind me of the Thursday Night NFL pajama uniforms. At least Boston's didn't make my eyes bleed.