amarshal2 said:As an owner he was gifted Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. He's perhaps the luckiest owner of all time.
Van Everyman said:Now if he makes another mistake after he fires Grigson, then we can talk. But until then the odds are that Jim Irsay is at least pretty good at his job.
soxfan121 said:
You really should do some research before doubling-down on an assertion you've already been told is wrong. But, you didn't.
Jim Irsay became General Manager of the Colts in 1984, serving in that capacity until his father's stroke in 1995, and then became the official owner after Robert's death in 1997. During his decade-plus tenure as General Manager, the Colts went 67-119 with two playoff appearances. Polian arrived in 1998, after back-to-back 13-loss seasons in Irsay's first two seasons as owner/GM.
The "odds" are proven that Jim Irsay has a long, distinguished track record of making shitty football decisions. Irsay backing up the Brinks truck for Polian after 1997 is proof he can make ONE good football decision, in a 30+ year career of being a decision maker.
Further, Irsay's personal issues, erratic behavior, and general reputation as a trust-fund loser are well-earned around the NFL. Jim Irsay is unequivocally in the bottom rung of NFL owners and no one - not Bob Kravitz, not Gregg Doyel, not ballwashing Indy fans - would try to portray him as "at least pretty good at his job." Unless they've been drinking.
I'm not disputing that Irsay sucked as a GM. I'm not even disputing that maybe Polian himself got lucky as a GM during his Colts years. What I am saying is that Irsay's track record of making really shitty decisions is, candidly, ancient history; that he was terrible at a job he was ill-suited for and thrust into by his alcoholic lout of a father thirty years ago seems largely irrelevant.soxfan121 said:
You really should do some research before doubling-down on an assertion you've already been told is wrong. But, you didn't.
Jim Irsay became General Manager of the Colts in 1984, serving in that capacity until his father's stroke in 1995, and then became the official owner after Robert's death in 1997. During his decade-plus tenure as General Manager, the Colts went 67-119 with two playoff appearances. Polian arrived in 1998, after back-to-back 13-loss seasons in Irsay's first two seasons as owner/GM.
The "odds" are proven that Jim Irsay has a long, distinguished track record of making shitty football decisions. Irsay backing up the Brinks truck for Polian after 1997 is proof he can make ONE good football decision, in a 30+ year career of being a decision maker.
Further, Irsay's personal issues, erratic behavior, and general reputation as a trust-fund loser are well-earned around the NFL. Jim Irsay is unequivocally in the bottom rung of NFL owners and no one - not Bob Kravitz, not Gregg Doyel, not ballwashing Indy fans - would try to portray him as "at least pretty good at his job." Unless they've been drinking.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:I wouldn't give Doyel any clicks if I could possibly help it. Just because we like the angle he's currently taking doesn't mean he's any less of a raving jackass.
I'm not convinced he did learn that. His silly, over-the-top reaction to the Trent Richardson deal makes me wonder what kind of hand he had in that - at the very least, he was 100% on-board with it. The Colts have drafted a ton of skill players in the past 30 years and have continued to spend high picks on RB/WR/TE under Grigson. Is there pressure from Irsay on that? Or does Irsay think that's the right way to run a team and is inclined to hire executives who build teams that way?Van Everyman said:I'm not disputing that Irsay sucked as a GM. I'm not even disputing that maybe Polian himself got lucky as a GM during his Colts years. What I am saying is that Irsay's track record of making really shitty decisions is, candidly, ancient history; that he was terrible at a job he was ill-suited for and thrust into by his alcoholic lout of a father thirty years ago seems largely irrelevant.
No one would suggest the guy is some genius. But if one of the most important lessons he's learned over the last few decades as an owner is to let personnel guys do personnel matters--to stay out of their way--and, relatedly, not fuck up good fortune when it falls in his lap, that makes Jim Irsay a lot more like the owner of the NEP than it does, say, the Browns.
What are the "ludicrous attempts to discredit" Luck. He may be plenty good, but those who point out his incredible turnover rate are closer to the truth than all those informed media members who regularly rank him in the top 2 of current quarterbacks.dcmissle said:Agree with the above. Irsay is smart enough to know he is two franchise tags away from Luck walking. And then Irsay is screwed.
Have no sense he wants to do this himself. The big question, as it always is, is whether he hires the right people.
Despite ludicrous attempts to discredit him, Luck makes this a phenomenally attractive job.
Get back to me when Bob Kraft drunk texts the CHB to complain about the Colts' cheating ways.Van Everyman said:No one would suggest the guy is some genius. But if one of the most important lessons he's learned over the last few decades as an owner is to let personnel guys do personnel matters--to stay out of their way--and, relatedly, not fuck up good fortune when it falls in his lap, that makes Jim Irsay a lot more like the owner of the NEP than it does, say, the Browns.
Didn't the colts take 2 interior defensive lineman in this year's draft, both of whom are playing pretty well?Super Nomario said:I'm not convinced he did learn that. His silly, over-the-top reaction to the Trent Richardson deal makes me wonder what kind of hand he had in that - at the very least, he was 100% on-board with it. The Colts have drafted a ton of skill players in the past 30 years and have continued to spend high picks on RB/WR/TE under Grigson. Is there pressure from Irsay on that? Or does Irsay think that's the right way to run a team and is inclined to hire executives who build teams that way?
Yes, and ... ?Bleedred said:Didn't the colts take 2 interior defensive lineman in this year's draft, both of whom are playing pretty well?
Grigson blew the first round pick, but he didn't ignore the glaring need in this year's draftSuper Nomario said:Yes, and ... ?
Bleedred said:Grigson blew the first round pick, but he didn't ignore the glaring need in this year's draft
Van Everyman said:(1)What I am saying is that Irsay's track record of making really shitty decisions is, candidly, ancient history;
(2)that makes Jim Irsay a lot more like the owner of the NEP than it does, say, the Browns.
Yes. And it felt dirty.Admit it: a bunch of you were rooting for the Colts (and Adam Vinatieri) to beat the undefeated Broncos (and Peyton Manning) this afternoon.
Yes, I was and it was wonderful. And it made all of my friends who are Colts fans want to vomit, which made it even better.Admit it: a bunch of you were rooting for the Colts (and Adam Vinatieri) to beat the undefeated Broncos (and Peyton Manning) this afternoon.
Indeed. I really am hoping they get that rematch they were asking for in the playoffs. Pretty please.But it was fun to see Pagano confirm at the end of the first half that he has no freakin' idea how to coach a football team.
I guess they just wanted to show that they have LOTS of stupid plays up their sleeve
If they run the table, how long will it be before we see a comparison of the Colts' start this year to the Patriots' 2014 start?They have one remaining tough game (2 if you count ATL in ATL) against the Steelers, and then a bunch of garbage. They have a legit shot at 10-6, which would be an accomplishment considering how poor they've played until this Sunday.
I had to take a shower after the game.Yes. And it felt dirty.
Yes, because the Pats need Broncos losses to get HFA. Very simple.Admit it: a bunch of you were rooting for the Colts (and Adam Vinatieri) to beat the undefeated Broncos (and Peyton Manning) this afternoon.
Wait, cover? Colts weren't favored. Not a betting man, do you say covered when an underdog wins?That was fun yesterday. Colts win and cover, hand a much needed loss to Denver,
No, you don't.Wait, cover? Colts weren't favored. Not a betting man, do you say covered when an underdog wins?
To be fair, the Pats only beat them by 7, and the Colts also only lost by 3 to the other undefeated team that they played, the Panthers.ESPN in full narrative-changing spin cycle this morning. The story now is that the Colts beat Denver and played the Patriots tougher than expected.
All those problems? All Pep Hamilton's fault
The Pats only beat them by 7 but were up 14 with 1:15 left in the game. That 7 points is very friendly to a Colts team that had almost everything break right for them.To be fair, the Pats only beat them by 7, and the Colts also only lost by 3 to the other undefeated team that they played, the Panthers.
Nobody has come closer than losing by 7 to the Pats or 3 to the Panthers.
Is this possibly a case of Pagano's crazy swings having an effect on the team? Turning them into the Rex era Jets, up for the Big/Rivalry games (their Superbowl) and subsequently burned out for the others? Sure starting to seem that way.And to be complete, the Colts lost to both the Jets and Bills by 13 points.
I am not beating up Colts, just ESPN
No you don't.
Let's not forget about the absolute gift of a pick 6 they had as well. That game wasn't close.The Pats only beat them by 7 but were up 14 with 1:15 left in the game. That 7 points is very friendly to a Colts team that had almost everything break right for them.
You must be new around hereYeah I should have said not only covered but won outright, but not sure its worth getting hung up on.
Using a late third pick, a fifth, and no real free agent capital on a glaring need is pretty close to ignoring it--you can't expect either of the rookies to be even average NFL players in their first year and each of those players only has about a thirty percent chance of ever becoming a solid NFL player.Grigson blew the first round pick, but he didn't ignore the glaring need in this year's draft
Just like it was gambling for BB to make a 2nd year UFA his CB1 this year, to rely on a bunch of untested rookies on the interior OL, etc... this feels like one of those things where we give BB credit for being a genius but skewer Grigson for the same thing because we hate him.Using a late third pick, a fifth, and no real free agent capital on a glaring need is pretty close to ignoring it--you can't expect either of the rookies to be even average NFL players in their first year and each of those players only has about a thirty percent chance of ever becoming a solid NFL player.
It's gambling, pure and simple, to count on a player picked after round 2.
http://blogs.colts.com/The Indianapolis Colts today announced that Quarterback Andrew Luck incurred abdominal injuries during Sunday’s victory over the Denver Broncos.
“The injuries happened at the end of an early fourth quarter scramble when Andrew was doing everything he could to get us the win,” said Head Coach Chuck Pagano. “Andrew was sore after the game and was feeling a little worse Monday afternoon so we sent him to get tests.”
The tests revealed a laceration in one of Luck’s kidneys and a partial tear of an abdominal muscle. The injuries should not require surgery and full recovery from both is expected within two to six weeks.
“It’s way too early to guess how long Andrew will be out,” said Pagano. “We’re going to keep listening to the doctors and evaluating his progress on a week by week basis. We’ve got all the confidence in the world in Matt Hasselbeck and we’re not going to put Andrew back out there until he’s healed and ready to go.”
On the contrary, I feel like we should send Luck a fruitbasket or something. He really took one for the team. And that team was the Pats.Suck shit Colts