2015 Colts: Karma Chameleon

[NortheasternPJ]

Colts schedule coming is pretty brutal. 
 
I have no faith in the AFC South but is there really a chance the Colts end up with the 2015-2016 AFC South Participant Banner?
 
What's it going to take? 7 wins to win the division? 6?

 

[mwonow]

 
Gregg Doyel
Verified account 8 hours ago
I just asked Andrew Luck: Did you break ribs this year? He said: "I don't know. I'm not going to get into that right now."

 
Now wait just a gol-dang minute. Luck "doesn't know" whether he broke ribs? I'm not sure that's gosh-darned credible. Could he look Roger in the eye and say this? Could he tell it truthful-like to Boomer? We need some answers, and we need them PDQ! 

 

[Kevin Youkulele]

 
 
Now wait just a gol-dang minute. Luck "doesn't know" whether he broke ribs? I'm not sure that's gosh-darned credible. Could he look Roger in the eye and say this? Could he tell it truthful-like to Boomer? We need some answers, and we need them PDQ! 
 

He needs to have Alberto Gonzalez counsel him.  The proper response in situations like this is not "I don't know" but rather "I don't recall."

 

[Stitch01]

Colts schedule coming is pretty brutal. 
 
I have no faith in the AFC South but is there really a chance the Colts end up with the 2015-2016 AFC South Participant Banner?
 
What's it going to take? 7 wins to win the division? 6?

The killer is if Jacksonville can make a field goal, Tennessee can hold a huge lead, or Houston started Hoyer the Colts would be close to buried.  Houston might be one of the three worst teams in the league and they'd have a strangle hold on that division if they had beaten Matt Hasselbeck at home.  The division is an atrocity that makes the shitty NFC South and West divisions from years past feel pity and embarassment.

 

[joe dokes]

I'd love to be there for the next owner's meeting where Kraft gets up and FINALLY get to go nuclear on Goodell and the Colts. Demanding first round draft picks, fines and suspension for the coach, suspension of Luck, and of course they'd have to vacate their recent 'Overtime Runner-up' title.

Oh, and: libel suit!

Ok I dont actually believe Kraft will do this. But man it would be great if he did.

 
I'd prefer the targeted passive agreesiveness of seeking a rule change whereby the *only* banners allowed to fly inside a stadium on game day are for winning the Super Bowl or the Conference. "Mr Commissioner, having banners for the equivalent of making a poo-poo in the potty cheapens our Flagship Event."

 

[E5 Yaz]

I'm surprised Grigson hasn't said "Luck did not break his ribs." I mean, it would be true

 

[MuppetAsteriskTalk]

Irsay: "Andrew don't forget that if you don't use all your pain meds for those broken ribs the team offers safe, ummm, disposal options."

 

[BernieRicoBoomer]

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

Pagano a no show for his weekly radio spot. In "personnel meetings."

About to be canned, perhaps

 

[djbayko]

Nice work, but seriously, where is "only team to lead in OT and still lose"?

 

[jacklamabe65]

Pagano a no show for his weekly radio spot. In "personnel meetings."

About to be canned, perhaps

 
No, he's chopping wood.

 

[nattysez]

Pep Hamilton's been fired according to Schefter.  Replaced by Chudzinski.
 
Guess that means Pagano was willing to throw a coordinator under the bus to save his job.  

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

So, Pep out, not Pagano. Replaced by Chud.

https://twitter.com/colts/status/661689191655415808

 

[soxhop411]

Stephen Holder ‏@HolderStephen  14m14 minutes ago
I'm here to tell you, however, there are deeper organizational issues w the Colts that this will not solve. There's significant dysfunction

 

[soxfan121]

https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/661692842092265475
 
https://twitter.com/IanKenyonNFL/status/661693296268341248

 

[8slim]

I, for one, am thoroughly enjoying every last bit of this.

THOROUGHLY.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

Are those colt banner creative photoshops or is there a colts banner meme generator out there? And if there is not, then why isn't there?

 

[dcmissle]

I, for one, am thoroughly enjoying every last bit of this.

THOROUGHLY.

Yep. Dead men walking, from Grigson on down.

 

[tims4wins]

Every Colts loss may bring another firing or controversy. It is amazing. Pagano is up next after they get trounced by Denver

then maybe Grigson

actually maybe Manuski goes next. how many can they fire in one season?

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

Can Irsay get high enough to fire himself?

 

[E5 Yaz]

 

[Leather]

"All will be revealed"

 

[E5 Yaz]

They have the power to shut the sky

 

[E5 Yaz]

Louis Riddick going all out on Colts management on Twitter
 
Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN  1h1 hour ago
We have entered full-blown CYA mode with the #Colts now. Every man for himself. Yea, I have seen how this story ends before.
 
Louis Riddick ‏@LRiddickESPN  1h1 hour ago
I am sure Pep TOLD A. Luck to make some of the decisions that he has been making, and told this OL to let the QB get destroyed. #NOT

 

[amarshal2]

@LRiddickESPN: #Colts Defense:
29th - yds/gm
28th - rush yds/gm
27th - pass yds/gm
21st - points/game

So...does the D Coordinator go too?

@LRiddickESPN: #Colts '15 defensive cap charge $74.828 mill., 2nd highest in league.

Seems like they fired the culprit.

 

[Rough Carrigan]

Can Irsay get high enough to fire himself?

Son, $29,000 cash can buy a lot of high.

 

[TomTerrific]

Son, $29,000 cash can buy a lot of high.

 
 In Indianapolis, especially.
 
EDIT: Wow, check out this article on Pep Hamilton's firing from the Indy Star. Especially this part:
 
'IndyStar's Gregg Doyel said it also brings into question the leadership of general manager Ryan Grigson. "I'm on to you," Doyel said.
"Ryan Grigson thinks he's the smartest man in every room he's ever been in," the columnist said on Allen's show.'
 
Good to see Doyel going full vulture here. He really is Shank-lite.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

Shame pills are his thing and not freebasing. Could do Colts fans a huge favor and Richard Pryor himself. I suppose they will just have to keep hoping for an overdose.

Edit: I have nothing but sympathy for addicts and their loved ones and I know these are horrendous things to say but fuck Jim Irsay

 

[loshjott]

That's really not necessary here.

 

[CoffeeNerdness]

Is Louis Riddick Pep's buddy? Pep sure seemed fireable to me.

 

[soxfan121]

Is Louis Riddick Pep's buddy? Pep sure seemed fireable to me.

 
His point is that Hamilton is no more or less responsible for the shitshow than everyone else involved. 

 

[amarshal2]

Is Louis Riddick Pep's buddy? Pep sure seemed fireable to me.

He was basically saying there's an organizational problem and Pep is just the scapegoat. I dont think you have to be Pep's buddy to come to that conclusion.

 

[Stitch01]

this will get fixed next year when luck is healthy, those promising recent draft picks approach their prime, and the lure of working with Irsay attracts top men to the GM and coaching posts.

 

[amarshal2]

Doyel wrote a straight up hit piece on Grigson.

Edit: Maybe he thinks Ryan's days are numbered. Maybe he's doing Irsay a favor. Maybe he wants the clicks and doesn't give a shit. It borders on unprofessional. It's delicious.

Grigson carries himself like the smartest guy in the room — “he thinks he invented football,” one veteran player told me this week — but doesn’t know what he doesn’t know.

...Grigson is a carnivore who sits in the press box snarling about mistakes on the field — I sit near him; I hear him — and whispering into his cellphone as the Colts are falling down 23-6 Monday night at Carolina (I saw him) and going silent when his latest big idea, Pep Hamilton, gets the big boot.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/11/03/doyel-colts-gm-ryan-grigson-survives-screw-up-another-day/75130104/

 

[E5 Yaz]

Doyel wrote a straight up hit piece on Grigson.




http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/11/03/doyel-colts-gm-ryan-grigson-survives-screw-up-another-day/75130104/

 
 
 
When the Colts announced Hamilton had been fired on Tuesday, Pagano was quoted. Grigson was silent. Why? Because Pagano is a stand-up guy who takes blame that isn’t his, and because Grigson is a carnivore who sits in the press box snarling about mistakes on the field — I sit near him; I hear him — and whispering into his cellphone as the Colts are falling down 23-6 Monday night at Carolina (I saw him) and going silent when his latest big idea, Pep Hamilton, gets the big boot.
 
Gosh

 

[Average Reds]

I'm going to guess that Doyel won't be sitting near Grigson in the near future.

 

[Van Everyman]

I'm going to guess Doyel thinks it's the other way around. And he's probably right.

It borders on unprofessional.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2015/11/03/doyel-colts-gm-ryan-grigson-survives-screw-up-another-day/75130104/

I'm sort of trying to figure out what I think of Doyel.

Doyel understandably gets a ton of shit on this board for his #DFG trolling (and I'm not sure I blame him for milking #DFG for all it's worth in that market) and for being "Shank Lite."

But a column like this feels less like Shaughnessy than a guy like Borges – smart but hopelessly compromised by an agenda.

And in this instance, Im not entirely convinced Doyel's agenda is wrong. I think he not only sees the writing on the wall w Grigson but get the sense that he thinks this latest dumpster fire is a bit of just desserts based on the way Grigson treats people – probably including him.

 

[dcmissle]

Reminds me of 15+ years ago when Willy McDonough and Ron Borges tag teamed to topple Carroll and Grier.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

I wouldn't give Doyel any clicks if I could possibly help it. Just because we like the angle he's currently taking doesn't mean he's any less of a raving jackass.

 

[Van Everyman]

dcm, were they wrong?

Edit: Should make totally clear that Borges could not have been more wrong about pretty much everything related to Belichick. The guy is so relentlessly bitter that boxing isn't as popular as football it's not funny. And McDonough allowed his obvious talent to be obscured by his personal agendas near the end of his career.

But when it comes to putting out the dumpster fire that was the Bobby Grier/Pete Carroll juggernaut, I'm not sure we should be doing anything but thanking them for any help they may have provided.

 

[dcmissle]

dcm, were they wrong?

No, McDonough and Borges were absolutely right. The franchise was a dumpster fire fueled by a bushel basket of blown high round picks and the GM undermining the HC. I don't care that McDonough had it in for the Krafts or that Borges is a terminal village scold. The stuff they wrote was right on.

 

[joe dokes]

I'm going to guess Doyel thinks it's the other way around. And he's probably right.


I'm sort of trying to figure out what I think of Doyel.

Doyel understandably gets a ton of shit on this board for his #DFG trolling (and I'm not sure I blame him for milking #DFG for all it's worth in that market) and for being "Shank Lite."

But a column like this feels less like Shaughnessy than a guy like Borges – smart but hopelessly compromised by an agenda.

And in this instance, Im not entirely convinced Doyel's agenda is wrong. I think he not only sees the writing on the wall w Grigson but get the sense that he thinks this latest dumpster fire is a bit of just desserts based on the way Grigson treats people – probably including him.

 
I get the Grigson targeting.  But surely he can't think a team run by Jimmy Irsay has a smooth future.  Is he protecting Irsay or just taking out one at a time?

 

[dcmissle]

And if you are not writing in Dallas, or Washington DC, I think you can have an impact. It is inconvenient and expensive to enjoy that game day experience. Tarps cover seating in a few locales (including DC).

Irsay is a jerk with personal problems. I don't think he deludes himself that he can run pro personnel, nor do I think he'd rather fail with the reins than win without them.

This is far from a hopeless situation IMO. Grigson et al are gone. Irsay really needs to get the next hires right.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I wouldn't give Doyel any clicks if I could possibly help it. Just because we like the angle he's currently taking doesn't mean he's any less of a raving jackass.

 
Completely agree---he is useless and unworthy, whether or not I agree with his position on any one particular issue.

 

[pappymojo]

And if you are not writing in Dallas, or Washington DC, I think you can have an impact. It is inconvenient and expensive to enjoy that game day experience. Tarps cover seating in a few locales (including DC).

Irsay is a jerk with personal problems. I don't think he deludes himself that he can run pro personnel, nor do I think he'd rather fail with the reins than win without them.

This is far from a hopeless situation IMO. Grigson et al are gone. Irsay really needs to get the next hires right.

 
Interesting question: which team based on both organization leadership (GM, HC and owner) and team (players, salary cap management and divisional opponents) will be in a better position to compete in 2016 - the Colts or the Ravens?  Let's hope that the deflategate karma train continues to run train on them both. 

I think the leadership advantage goes to the Ravens but the Colts have an opportunity to sweep house.  The team advantage goes to the Colts based mainly on how crappy their division is. 

 

[Van Everyman]

 
I get the Grigson targeting.  But surely he can't think a team run by Jimmy Irsay has a smooth future.  Is he protecting Irsay or just taking out one at a time?

Irsay is a jerk with personal problems. I don't think he deludes himself that he can run pro personnel, nor do I think he'd rather fail with the reins than win without them.

This is far from a hopeless situation IMO. Grigson et al are gone. Irsay really needs to get the next hires right.

Totally agree. Irsay may be a troubled guy And he may have gotten very lucky falling into one, maybe two generational talents at the most important position in the sport. But he has done a pretty good job running his club for a long time. Better, probably, than all but a handful of owners on football.

That's not to say the guy is infallible, not coming apart at the seams as he battles his personal demons or above stupidly involving himself in personnel issues like the godawful Trent Richardson trade. But based on past performance, there is a high degree of probability that he sorts this mess out.

 

[soxfan121]

But based on past performance, there is a high degree of probability that he sorts this mess out.

 
Is Bill Polian walking through that door?
 
For all his other faults, Polian had a good two-decades in the talent evaluation business and built the Colts into a winner. They were not well managed before him, and haven't been well managed since he lost his fastball and left...and the constant in that equation is Jim Irsay. 
 
Thanks Dad Irsay doesn't have a "past performance" that suggests he can get out of a paperbag on his own.

 

[DanoooME]

Too bad they fired Pep, I'm sure the Seahawks would have given them Bevell for Pep and their #1 in 2016.

 

[Detts]

 
Is Bill Polian walking through that door?
 
For all his other faults, Polian had a good two-decades in the talent evaluation business and built the Colts into a winner. They were not well managed before him, and haven't been well managed since he lost his fastball and left...and the constant in that equation is Jim Irsay. 
 
Thanks Dad Irsay doesn't have a "past performance" that suggests he can get out of a paperbag on his own.

 
Bill didn't lose his fastball.  He promoted his dipshit son Chris to VP/General Manager and let him run the show.  He was not good.

 

[Van Everyman]

 
Is Bill Polian walking through that door?

Is Bill Belichick?

The only reason we were all genuflecting at Kraft's brilliance as an owner before #DFG is that he just so happens to have hired the best GM/coach in the history of the game who in turn lucked into having a 6th rd draft pick become the best QB in the history of the game. Kraft's best success since that single decision is that he hasn't fucked up what BB has built for him.

Any owner is only as good as the product he or she puts on the field. Shahid Khan may be the best owner in the history of the game in terms of smarts, temperament and marketing ability. But until the Jaguars put out the dumpster fire that has consumed their franchise for the last decade, he won't be recognized for a damn thing.

You can't say someone is a good owner because he hired a great GM – or a bad owner because he hired a bad one. There are only winning franchises and losing franchises. And for whatever reason—skill, luck, Luck—over the last 15 years the franchise that Jim Irsay has owned has won a lot in all but a single season.

Now if he makes another mistake after he fires Grigson, then we can talk. But until then the odds are that Jim Irsay is at least pretty good at his job.