2015 coaching carousel

dcmissle · Jan 6, 2015

Sox and Rocks said:
I think he meant easy. It's the only context that makes sense.

Good for mccloughan. I know the family well and they are all football guys through and through

We're not done here yet. Local beat reporter well wired left some room for doubt as I was driving home. Now I read Oak and NJY are reaching out to him.

Very useful when you're negotiating the contract and ask for things like undisputed roster control in black and white.

EricFeczko · Jan 6, 2015

maufman said:
And if by "easy" you meant East, you're right.

Seriously, the three non-Pats AFCE franchises have to be in the bottom 6-7 teams (with the Raiders, Browns, WAS, and maybe the Bucs) in terms of quality of management. (Say what you will about Jerrah, he's got three rings and hasn't fielded a truly atrocious team since Aikman's rookie year.)

The bengals say hi.
As do the arizona cardinals, the st. louis rams, and the jacksonville jaguars. There are a lot of poorly managed NFL teams, and the mediocre bills/jets/dolphins only seem worse because they are contrasted with one of the best run teams in the NFL: the patriots.

Dallas is just a strawman here.

wade boggs chicken dinner · Jan 6, 2015

And if by "easy" you meant East, you're right.

Seriously, the three non-Pats AFCE franchises have to be in the bottom 6-7 teams (with the Raiders, Browns, WAS, and maybe the Bucs) in terms of quality of management. (Say what you will about Jerrah, he's got three rings and hasn't fielded a truly atrocious team since Aikman's rookie year.)

Yes, sorry I meant East.

Sox and Rocks · Jan 6, 2015

maufman said:
And if by "easy" you meant East, you're right.

Seriously, the three non-Pats AFCE franchises have to be in the bottom 6-7 teams (with the Raiders, Browns, WAS, and maybe the Bucs) in terms of quality of management. (Say what you will about Jerrah, he's got three rings and hasn't fielded a truly atrocious team since Aikman's rookie year.)

Damn auto correct gets me every time.

Sox and Rocks · Jan 6, 2015

dcmissle said:
We're not done here yet. Local beat reporter well wired left some room for doubt as I was driving home. Now I read Oak and NJY are reaching out to him.

Very useful when you're negotiating the contract and ask for things like undisputed roster control in black and white.

I'm surprised he wouldn't prefer Oakland. His dad has been with the franchise his entire life, first as a player and then as a scout. His brother is a current scout there, too

SeoulSoxFan · Jan 6, 2015

What the hell is Ross doing handing ANY keys over to Tannenbaum?

EricFeczko · Jan 6, 2015

maufman said:
Arizona is a playoff team that has recently been to the Super Bowl.

The Jaguars are in the process of digging out from years of prior mismanagement.

The Rams are arguably an omission from my list.

I apologize for sending this from my phone. The jaguars haven't drafted a pro bowler since 2006, and have posted one of the worst seasons in NFL history: http://www.advancedfootballanalytics.com/index.php/home/analysis/team-analysis/207-2014-final-team-efficiency-rankings?showall=1). The cardinals have been much better recently, but are historically awful. Even since 2002, they still have a 91-117 record (might be off by a few games I counted them from here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arizona_Cardinals_seasons), albeit with those awful seasons coming early on. Ditto for the bengals, who have the " owner as GM" problem.

SeoulSoxFan · Jan 6, 2015

LOL -- Bills to interview none other than Rex Ryan:

@KimJonesSports Rex Ryan to interview Thursday with Buffalo Bills, according to someone aware of plans

Ryan also interviewing with CBS (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/rex-ryan-to-meet-with-cbs)

Bills hiring Ryan would be too funny. Not sure if I like having Ryan still in the AFCE, although it'll further twist Jets fanbase into a rage if Woody Johnson don't at least hit a triple with the GM & coach hires.

dcmissle · Jan 7, 2015

I'm surprised he wouldn't prefer Oakland. His dad has been with the franchise his entire life, first as a player and then as a scout. His brother is a current scout there, too

FWIW, local radio this morning made this point but also reported that Oak, at least yet, has declined to offer him complete roster control. So he appears he is leveraging, and properly so. Nothing done in DC yet.

Silverdude2167 · Jan 7, 2015

SeoulSoxFan said:
LOL -- Bills to interview none other than Rex Ryan:

Ryan also interviewing with CBS (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/06/rex-ryan-to-meet-with-cbs)

Bills hiring Ryan would be too funny. Not sure if I like having Ryan still in the AFCE, although it'll further twist Jets fanbase into a rage if Woody Johnson don't at least hit a triple with the GM & coach hires.

Rex might be able to have some success in Buffalo, kinda like his first few years with the Jets. Great defense, etc. Of course no QB would be bad and we know how well he develops QB's and that side of the ball in general.

Corsi · Jan 7, 2015

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
Giants have parted ways with defensive coordinator Perry Fewell, per league source.

LondonSox · Jan 7, 2015

The Giants need a rebuild, are they seriously planning to stick with Eli and Coughlin until one of them dies? This is deckchairs shit.

cromulence · Jan 7, 2015

Corsi said:
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 3m3 minutes ago
Giants have parted ways with defensive coordinator Perry Fewell, per league source.

Just came here to celebrate this. It looked like they would keep him and it would've been so, so stupid. Gotta love the trendy "part ways" terminology, by the way. No one will ever be fired again.

cromulence · Jan 7, 2015

LondonSox said:
The Giants need a rebuild, are they seriously planning to stick with Eli and Coughlin until one of them dies? This is deckchairs shit.

Ssssshhhhh, Eagles fans shouldn't try to analyze the Giants. The offense took a huge step forward this year and it'd be insane to scrap that. The D had injury issues but Fewell was simply not good enough. This is the right move.

Oil Can Dan · Jan 7, 2015

LondonSox said:
The Giants need a rebuild, are they seriously planning to stick with Eli and Coughlin until one of them dies? This is deckchairs shit.

The offense under McAdoo really started clicking in the second half of the season. And Eli had his best season to date. The biggest problem by far has been the defense, and that's why Fewell had to go.

No inside knowledge but I think Coughlin gets the benefit of the doubt given his two SB wins in the last six season, and I think they view McAdoo as the heir apparent. Can't say I disagree with the strategy if that's indeed what it is.

Bosoxen · Jan 7, 2015

Oil Can Dan said:
The offense under McAdoo really started clicking in the second half of the season. And Eli had his best season to date. The biggest problem by far has been the defense, and that's why Fewell had to go.

No inside knowledge but I think Coughlin gets the benefit of the doubt given his two SB wins in the last six season, and I think they view McAdoo as the heir apparent. Can't say I disagree with the strategy if that's indeed what it is.

Was it the offensive play calling or the emergence of a wide receiver that can catch the ball with three fingers and looks unstoppable? I mean, Beckham caught 91 passes and scored 12 TDs in 12 games. That's obscene. Not to take anything away from McAdoo, but that kind of makes his job easy, doesn't it?

cromulence · Jan 7, 2015

Bosoxen said:
Was it the offensive play calling or the emergence of a wide receiver that can catch the ball with three fingers and looks unstoppable? I mean, Beckham caught 91 passes and scored 12 TDs in 12 games. That's obscene. Not to take anything away from McAdoo, but that kind of makes his job easy, doesn't it?

Sure, Beckham helped, but if you watched the Giants in past years and this year, the change in philosophy was obvious and refreshing. The ball gets out of Eli's hands much more quickly and in general it feels much more like a modern NFL offense than Gilbride's old "wait for guys to get open deep downfield" scheme did. Also you have to remember that this O line was absolute shit when it came to run blocking, so the offense was often playing with one hand tied behind their back. Even before Beckham exploded, I was happy with the progress Eli and the offense as a whole were making.

cromulence · Jan 7, 2015

And now there are rumors of Spags coming back to be the DC again. That would be fucking sweet.

Bosoxen · Jan 7, 2015

cromulence said:
Sure, Beckham helped, but if you watched the Giants in past years and this year, the change in philosophy was obvious and refreshing. The ball gets out of Eli's hands much more quickly and in general it feels much more like a modern NFL offense than Gilbride's old "wait for guys to get open deep downfield" scheme did. Also you have to remember that this O line was absolute shit when it came to run blocking, so the offense was often playing with one hand tied behind their back. Even before Beckham exploded, I was happy with the progress Eli and the offense as a whole were making.

Fair enough. I defer to someone who watched them every week.

cromulence said:
And now there are rumors of Spags coming back to be the DC again. That would be fucking sweet.

This would not be good news for the rest of the division.

bosockboy · Jan 7, 2015

Spags was atrocious in New Orleans and has been unemployed. He really built his career on one game.

soxfan121 · Jan 7, 2015

bosockboy said:
Spags was atrocious in New Orleans and has been unemployed. He really built his career on one game.

Spagnuolo was a "special defensive assistant" last season in Baltimore and the secondary coach this season.

Toe Nash · Jan 7, 2015

Is he bringing along Umenyiora, Tuck and Strahan?

SeoulSoxFan · Jan 8, 2015

Better candidates for the NYG jobs:

@mikerodak ESPN Giants reporter @DanGrazianoESPN considers Pepper Johnson, Jim Schwartz as possible candidates for NYG DC: es.pn/143ZHd6

Would love to finally have Pepper Johnson get a DC job. Getting Schwartz away from AFCE would also be a good thing.

LondonSox · Jan 8, 2015

cromulence said:
Ssssshhhhh, Eagles fans shouldn't try to analyze the Giants. The offense took a huge step forward this year and it'd be insane to scrap that. The D had injury issues but Fewell was simply not good enough. This is the right move.

Hmmm ok then. Why not? Fanboys only?
I am not disagreeing with the firing just noting Eli has a 19.75 million USD cap charge next year and it's the last year of his deal. Are you extending/ restructuring him? Or just letting him play on that deal next year and deciding later?

If extending, fine then of course you roll with the offense you have and try to rebuild the D. But do you want to extend and lock up Eli for another 5 years? Personally I'd be nervous about doubling down on Eli after a number of seasons of pretty blah play. If not then Coughlin is too old to start a rebuild, so this is a bit irrelevant as a much bigger shake up is likely.

cromulence · Jan 8, 2015

First of all, Spags primarily failed as a head coach, not as a coordinator. New Orleans was a dumpster fire of secondary talent and no one would have been successful there. Even the Great Rob Ryan could only get one good year out of them (or Kenny Vacaro, who knows) before the fairy dust wore off. I would take him back as a DC in a heartbeat. If you really think that defense was nothing but Tuck, Strahan, and Osi rushing the passer, you're just wrong. He got the most out a secondary with very little talent (and Corey Webster had been a huge bust until he got there).

LondonSox said:
Hmmm ok then. Why not? Fanboys only?
I am not disagreeing with the firing just noting Eli has a 19.75 million USD cap charge next year and it's the last year of his deal. Are you extending/ restructuring him? Or just letting him play on that deal next year and deciding later?

If extending, fine then of course you roll with the offense you have and try to rebuild the D. But do you want to extend and lock up Eli for another 5 years? Personally I'd be nervous about doubling down on Eli after a number of seasons of pretty blah play. If not then Coughlin is too old to start a rebuild, so this is a bit irrelevant as a much bigger shake up is likely.

Just teasing, that's all. Eli's cap number is actually not that bad if you look around the league. Yeah, it's high, but it's not a roster-breaking problem. Honestly, you're talking as if you didn't watch Eli at all this season. He had a very strong year, and even going back to last year when he was generally garbage, he was never really the problem. The offensive line all fell apart/aged/retired at the same time in 2013 and Eli isn't the type of QB that can handle playing behind a bad line. I just don't understand the thinking when people suggest to move on from Eli. To what? Nassib? Brian Hoyer? Eli has proven that he's capable of winning when given the right guys around him, so to me it would just be taking steps backward to dump him. I also expect that he'll be like Brady as he ages and help the team out with his contracts. OK, I hope that, maybe I don't necessarily expect that, but still.

Toe Nash · Jan 8, 2015

If you really think that defense was nothing but Tuck, Strahan, and Osi rushing the passer, you're just wrong.

Maybe, but having an elite unit like that covers up a hell of a lot. This isn't really news - when you can get consistent pressure with 4 it gives you a ton of options.

Oil Can Dan · Jan 8, 2015

I'm interested in the Pepper Johnson idea but I have no real opinion of him as a coach. Can any Pats fans drop some knowledge on me?

Corsi · Jan 8, 2015

Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2m2 minutes ago
Source tells @NFLonFOX that @Browns are parting ways with OC Kyle Shanahan after 1 season. Announcement is imminent

RedOctober3829 · Jan 8, 2015

Corsi said:
Alex Marvez ‏@alexmarvez 2m2 minutes ago
Source tells @NFLonFOX that @Browns are parting ways with OC Kyle Shanahan after 1 season. Announcement is imminent

They also fired QB coach Dowell Loggains.

Bosoxen · Jan 8, 2015

That reeks of building around Manziel. I, for one, can't wait to see how that shit show unfolds.

RedOctober3829 · Jan 8, 2015

Bosoxen said:
That reeks of building around Manziel. I, for one, can't wait to see how that shit show unfolds.

I know I have my popcorn ready. Should be an interesting show. Manziel is the last QB I'd want to build my team around.

Corsi · Jan 8, 2015

Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 4m4 minutes ago
As reported earlier this week, look for Charlie Weis to be among the possibilities to replace Shanahan in CLE

Kremlin Watcher · Jan 8, 2015

Corsi said:
Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora 4m4 minutes ago
As reported earlier this week, look for Charlie Weis to be among the possibilities to replace Shanahan in CLE

I'll take reasons that certain teams always suck for $500, Alex.

dcmissle · Jan 8, 2015

"These two individuals, financial wizards both, squeezed the last fucking dollar out of coaching and playing American football, respectively."

"Who are Charlie Weis and Darrelle Revis, Alex."

"That's right, you've hit on the daily double."

dcmissle · Jan 8, 2015

That reeks of building around Manziel. I, for one, can't wait to see how that shit show unfolds.

But other things, too. Word out of Cleveland is that the suits not only jammed Johnny down the coaches' throats much of the year -- to be expected -- but also did stupid stuff like "suggest" plays during the games.

Hate on old man Shanahan all you want, but Kyle has a lot on the ball. What he pulled off with RGIII as a rookie in 2012 was brilliant, and that may well be the high water mark of RGIII's career. Then he had to listen to the player -- and his dad -- mandate the 2013 offense, even though RGIII plainly wasn't up to what dad had in mind ("Show me a running QB, I'll show you a loser", the II said. Maybe so, but III sucks in the pocket).

Coming off this, Shanahan understandably has zero tolerance for the stuff in Cleveland, if those reports are true.

Bosoxen · Jan 8, 2015

dcmissle said:
But other things, too. Word out of Cleveland is that the suits not only jammed Johnny down the coaches' throats much of the year -- to be expected -- but also did stupid stuff like "suggest" plays during the games.

Hate on old man Shanahan all you want, but Kyle has a lot on the ball. What he pulled off with RGIII as a rookie in 2012 was brilliant, and that may well be the high water mark of RGIII's career. Then he had to listen to the player -- and his dad -- mandate the 2013 offense, even though RGIII plainly wasn't up to what dad had in mind ("Show me a running QB, I'll show you a loser", the II said. Maybe so, but III sucks in the pocket).

Coming off this, Shanahan understandably has zero tolerance for the stuff in Cleveland, if those reports are true.

Isn't "parted ways" the new, "everybody wins" way of saying he was shit canned? The fact that the QB coach was also fired sure makes it seem that the organization is looking to bring in a different offensive philosophy, regardless of Shanahan's desire, or lack thereof, to stay there.

KW is right. It's things like this that cement the thought that the Browns aren't merely snake bit. They're just really fucking poorly run. If anyone could have gotten anything out of Manziel, it would have been the guy who made Robert Griffin a household name everywhere outside of Waco. But Charlie Weis? Ha!

soxhop411 · Jan 8, 2015

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter 2m2 minutes ago

Chicago Bears hire Ryan Pace as new general manager. » http://es.pn/1tOckA2

MainerInExile · Jan 8, 2015

dcmissle said:
Another interesting item -- does one of the branches of the BB tree in Atlanta go with Rex?

Word out of Atlanta is that the new HC will report to Arthur Blank, not Dimitroff. Link: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000455298/article/falcons-announce-frontoffice-restructuring

This strikes me as:
A.) a terrible idea
B.) a sign that he may very well want to hire someone that Dimitroff and Pioli would not (like Rex)
C.) he may want the option to fire Dimitroff but not his new HC next year

The words "tire fire" leap right to mind.

EricFeczko · Jan 8, 2015

MainerInExile said:
Word out of Atlanta is that the new HC will report to Arthur Blank, not Dimitroff. Link: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000455298/article/falcons-announce-frontoffice-restructuring

This strikes me as:
A.) a terrible idea
B.) a sign that he may very well want to hire someone that Dimitroff and Pioli would not (like Rex)
C.) he may want the option to fire Dimitroff but not his new HC next year

The words "tire fire" leap right to mind.

I'm not sure I interpreted this the same way as you, from the article:

Pioli will run Atlanta's pro and college scouting departments while also taking over the team's draft process. He will report to Dimitroff -- his close friend -- who will oversee the salary cap and continue to maintain ultimate control over the draft and free agency, per NFL Media's Albert Breer.

Breer was told by a team source that the final say over Atlanta's 53-man roster remains undetermined and might wind up going to the next coach.

It's a shift that awards Pioli more say over picking players while mirroring the structure of, among other teams, the Ravens and Chiefs. Pioli came to Atlanta after a serving as Kansas City's general manager from 2009 to 2012.

Both Dimitroff and the next coach will report to owner Arthur Blank, who said in a statement: "While this decision was not tied to the head coach search currently underway, we also believe that independent thinking and collaboration will contribute to taking us to the next level in our league."

It sounds more like the next HC and pioli will have more say in picking players, whereas dimitroff will have less. It also sounds like Mike Smith didn't have much control over the 53-man roster. It still may be a bad idea, but its unclear whether Blank will have a larger say.

MainerInExile · Jan 8, 2015

EricFeczko said:
I'm not sure I interpreted this the same way as you, from the article:

It sounds more like the next HC and pioli will have more say in picking players, whereas dimitroff will have less. It also sounds like Mike Smith didn't have much control over the 53-man roster. It still may be a bad idea, but its unclear whether Blank will have a larger say.

So which don't you think is true, A B or C? I'm genuinely curious. Do you think that structure can work? Or do you not think it implies Rex?

soxhop411 · Jan 10, 2015

Bills interviewing Rex for a second time according to Schefter

CarolinaBeerGuy · Jan 10, 2015

Per Deadspin, Dick LeBeau has resigned.

http://deadspin.com/dick-lebeau-leaving-steelers-says-hes-resigning-not-r-1678740131

EricFeczko · Jan 11, 2015

MainerInExile said:
So which don't you think is true, A B or C? I'm genuinely curious. Do you think that structure can work? Or do you not think it implies Rex?

A,half of B, and I don't think it implies Rex. Naturally, I'm responding after Rex left for the Bills, but I never thought Rex was going to Atlanta.

It seems like you think its a terrible idea because the owner will be more involved. I'm not sure that's the case here, it seems to me that the dimitroff will be less involved, while both pioli and the new HC will have more personnell power. Given that pioli has increasing control over the draft process, it doesn't make sense for the owner to hire a coach that doesn't get along with pioli; on the other hand, I won't be surprised if dimitroff is not a factor in the hire.

I didn't think it implied Rex because such an organizational structure is not uncommon in the NFL; there are plenty of coaches that would prefer to have greater power over the 53 man roster. My hunch is that the falcons are holding out for mcdaniels.

Corsi · Jan 11, 2015

FWIW

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing 1m1 minute ago
RT @WC_Rider: Josh McDaniels headed to Atlanta. Blank is waiting on him … That will not happen.

dcmissle · Jan 11, 2015

Rex is no fool; the Falcons are slow walking the process and he wants to coach. And unless he dies during the next 5 years, he just guaranteed himself $27.5 million. But this could be his last gig if he does not find a QB

RedOctober3829 · Jan 12, 2015

Arizona defensive coordinator Todd Bowles, who’s has moved to the forefront of the Atlanta Falcons’ coaching search, has a second interview with the team scheduled for Wednesday, according to a person familiar with the search.
Bowles interviewed with the Falcons on Saturday and is now considered the leading candidate to replace head coach Mike Smith since Rex Ryan agreed to be named the head coach at Buffalo.
New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is expected to stay with the Patriots. Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn is not available until at least after the NFC championship game and may not be available until after the Super Bowl. He is considered the leader for the New York Jets coaching vacancy.
Bowles has been on the Falcons’ radar from the outset of the coaching search, but couldn’t interview until the Cardinals were eliminated from the playoffs.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/football/bowles-set-for-second-interview-with-falcons/njmXK/

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