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E5 Yaz said:
This, and his comment about Buffalo deserving a loyal coach, are direct shots at Marrone.
Rex is always nothing but class.
jsinger121 said:
The Jets can slink back to irrelevancy again, where they belong.
It's like Rex is trying to erase the last 6 years of his career.
Tony C said:
FWIW, I'm a Syracuse football fan (there's like two dozen of us left) and Marrone pissed a lot of people off in his 4 years there too, including a few prominent boosters. He bailed out of SU the first chance he got, and really screwed the program by leaving in mid-January and taking much of his staff with him.
When he was hired he was talking about Syracuse being his "dream job" (he's an alum, played under ol' Pats favorite Dick MacPherson in the 80s) and how he spent his whole career preparing to be head coach there. Leaving after 4 years with the rebuilding job still not finished and a bunch of capital projects unfunded rubbed a lot of people the wrong way (he wanted to build an IPF when he arrived but supposedly wouldn't stoop to hob-knobbing to fund raise for it, which is a big component of being a college head coach).
Anyway, when 'Cuse fans heard of the reports coming out of Buffalo as he opted out it really wasn't a surprise.
He's a good coach, no doubt, but not someone I'd be tripping over myself to get if I were an owner. If Jack Del Rio can be hired again I'm sure that Marrone will get another head gig eventually. The league is not particularly daring in that regard.
soxfan121 said:
Garrard had a fine season in 2007, driven partly by an unsustainably low INT rate. "Adequate" is a generous assessment of the rest of his career, but I'll concede he wasn't as bad as I remembered.
Brunell was a has-been by the time Del Rio arrived in 2003, and Leftwich was a never-was. It's fair to ask whether JDR deserves some of the blame for Leftwich's non-development, as he certainly didn't lack for physical talent, and I never heard anything bad about his mechanics or work ethic.
There was talent on defense, and JDR got results commensurate with it, at least for his first 5-6 seasons at the helm.
The former management in Jacksonville probably should have shown JDR the door a year before they did, but his tenure there was fairly solid. He's not an obvious candidate for a second chance like BB and Carroll were, but I think he's as good a selection as McD would be, and probably better than Rexy. Unless you think Malzahn is poised to become the next Chip Kelly, I don't see a better option for the Raiders.
maufman said:
I'm surprised by the bolded. Leftwich was well-known for having a giant, looping release. He made up for it with his strong arm in college, but that did affect him in the pros. How much of not fixing that is on Del Rio, I couldn't say, but Leftwich was definitely mechanically flawed.
Thanks.Bosoxen said:
I'll admit I paid more attention to Leftwich in his (later) Pittsburgh days, when his inadequacies were far more pervasive than a slow throwing motion. Maybe his reads were better when he was getting more snaps.
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49ers set to promote DL coach Jim Tomsula to head coach, per sources. Still ironing out details, but Tomsula expected to be 49ers next HC.
49ers set to promote DL coach Jim Tomsula to head coach, per sources. Still ironing out details, but Tomsula expected to be 49ers next HC.
I don't know much about Tomsula but, on the surface, this seems like a dumb hire that reeks of Baalke/York looking for a loyal yes man. The guy has no experience as a coordinator or HC at the NFL level and - unlike college hires - seemingly very little experience as a coordinator or HC period. Also, will Fangio stick around as DC having just gotten jumped in line?Corsi said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Tomsula is well respected as a line coach and is supposedly popular and charismatic guy but yeah, the Niners fan base is apoplectic right now. I'd be very surprised if Fangio stays. A lot will depend on whether Tomsula can hire top-notch coordinators. If he's going to be more of a CEO/big-picture guy rather than a tactics guy (sort of like John Harbaugh in Baltimore) I could see it working if they get the coordinators right, but yeesh, it's not very inspiring. One point in the 49ers favor is that York has never been shy about paying top dollar for coordinators, Fangio was reportedly the best-paid defensive coordinator in the league. That might be incentive for him to stay if all the good HC jobs are gone.
Interesting. Why do you think they passed over Fangio for the HC position? Was he seen as too connected to Harbaugh?coremiller said:
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Nah. I think it's more that Fangio is just a terrible politician. He's not good at schmoozing or playing the game with superiors, and he'll be blunt and say exactly what he thinks to the press even if it might ruffle feathers. That works okay when you're not the HC (and the press eats its up), but if a HC who's the face of the team did that sort of stuff it would cause PR problems all the time. Plus after getting sick of Harbaugh's antics, York and Baalke want a guy who won't rock the boat. I suspect they also like that by promoting someone without other options, Tomsula has no leverage and will be grateful to them and therefore less likely to cause trouble.
Frankly, the roster is good enough that they'll probably win 10 games next year just due to regression regardless of who the coach is. I mean, EVERYTHING that could possibly go wrong this year (with the exception of a QB injury) went wrong -- injuries, suspensions, arrests, losing games on bogus officiating, long-running management media feuds, you name it -- and they still went 8-8. From the atmosphere around the team at the end of the season, you'd think they went 3-13. As long as Kaepernick isn't quite as awful as he was during the second half of the season again (and I think he'll be ok), an average coaching staff could win easily win 10 games with this team. What's frustrating is that the positive regression will allow the front office to think they were justified in getting rid of Harbaugh, even though it was incredibly dumb.
Reminds me of when Danny Boy hired Jim Zorn to coach the Skins. Brought him in to interview for OC and hired him as HC.
wibi said:
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While on air with @NateLundy in Denver, he reported Adam Gase has agreed to become the 49ers head coach.
7:01 AM - 14 Jan 2015
Corsi said:
what happened here?
edit: apparently Tomsula and Gase were the two finalists and Baalke waffled until now. Tomsula was already the 17th coach in 49ers history and will become the 19th (he filled in for a game after Singletary was fired).
Assuming Fox to Chicago and Quinn to Atlanta, Gase went from a lock to unemployed pretty quickly.
Hey, anytime you get a chance to hire a guy whose main head coaching experience was going 6-4 in NFL Europe, you gotta jump on that.
Really????
The Niners have taken a huge step backwards, IMO. Nothing against Tomsula but his experience is basically nonexistent, and theu just lost both coordinators (Fangiomis unlikely to stay).
I am beyond pissed.
The Niners have taken a huge step backwards, IMO. Nothing against Tomsula but his experience is basically nonexistent, and theu just lost both coordinators (Fangiomis unlikely to stay).
I am beyond pissed.
Assuming the 49ers were happy with the team's performance (how could they not be?) and simply didn't have the patience for JH's drama, an internal hire makes sense.
Apparently the Raiders are offering him a job to work for Del Rio. I don't know if I prefer him to Trestman, but love the hire if it helps push manning into the broadcast industry.bosockboy said:
JCizzle said:
I mean, I guess...but do we really have any idea how guys that have never been NFL coaches will actually do? This is even more guesswork than when we opine on players, as at least we can watch them. Things like this though, it's impossible to tell.
We can all get game and combine tape and make some kind of decent guesses on players, but unless we're in meeting rooms and interviews, does any of us really speak with any authority at all on how the San Francisco DL coach will do as head coach?
I'm not saying this to by snarky about it, I know this is what a message board does, but there's little to no actual info we have on Tomsula or Gase.
DrewDawg said:
Sure, we'll have to see how it actually plays out and maybe he's been a brilliant mind suppressed over the years. However, he's been coaching since 1998 and has been a defensive line coach for 12 of them between Europe and the Niners. I'm not sure where he would have picked up any significant knowledge about designing an offense or developing a quarterback (since it's clear Kap absolutely requires that this year).
It's not just Tomsula, they need to hire an offensive and defensive coordinator now. Roman left, and Fangio is just about to be out the door, so the new head coach is a pretty important hire. Tomsula is not it, again, just my opinion.DrewDawg said:
He's only really been in SF, and the administrations he's worked under - Nolan, Singletary, Harbaugh - don't have any NFL footprint at present. Maybe he networks like crazy and he has ideas for who he wants to hire for coordinators and assistants and can get those people, but it seems more likely that this is a Baalke power play and the GM is going to have major input into the staff.trekfan55 said:
He was interim head coach for one game five years ago after Singletary got canned, for what it's worth.
Are any other 49ers assistants holdovers from the Singletary era?Super Nomario said:
If he was one of Harbaugh's guys, and the FO decided they could have the organization Harbaugh built without dealing with the man himself, I could understand that. But elevating one of the few (I presume) remaining coaches who pre-dated Harbaugh smacks of a power play -- I can see why Niners fans are concerned.
In other words, not all internal hires are created equal. This doesn't appear to be George Seifert succeeding Bill Walsh.
Which smith are you referring to? The same one who is reportedly going to be their dc? I don't think they tried to interview fox.soxfan121 said:
Count me in the solid hire camp. Once harbaugh went to Michigan I think Del rio is the best they could do.
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JCizzle said:
Playing devil's advocate, Bill Belichick was a Special Teams coach and then Linebackers coach for 6 total years before even making Defensive Coordinator. Pete Carroll was Defensive Backs coach for 6 years before being hired away to be the DC for the NYJ. Mike McCarthy was QBs coach for 5 years before making OC. Bill Parcells was linebackers coach for 4 years before becoming DC of Army, then linebackers coach for 8 more years for 3 more colleges before jumping to the Giants as DC. People who are paying their dues aren't somehow lemons by definition. And you'd rather be the first one to realize somebody's potential than have that realization made at your expense.
That said, jumping to HC of an NFL team from anything more junior than a Coordinator position would definitely be rare. Let's wait for the official announcement.
Not that I disagree with your overall point, but Andy a Reid went from Packers QB coach to HC of the Eagles and John Harbaugh worked for him as Special Teams coach before becoming HC of the Ravens.MentalDisabldLst said:
QB Coach and secondary coach are the positions where you can sometimes skip coordinator (and in general good jobs from which to get promoted) as you have to take account of pretty much everything that's going on.
Line coach specifically to HC is even more of a jump than 'position coach to HC' implies.
Line coach specifically to HC is even more of a jump than 'position coach to HC' implies.
Tom cable is the last line coach to head coach jump I believe, and that was after a 12 game interim audition. Making this move at the expense of Fangio is pretty incredible to me. Also, there was really no reason for York to take the "winning with class" shot at Harbaugh today. I don't see how this ends well in Santa Clara.Royal Reader said:
Seems like part of the fact that head coaches are younger than ever would imply that it's hard to compare dues paying between eras. The time Parcells and the good Bill had to spend in the trenches doesn't necessarily mean much in a world of non-gray-haired HCs.
