I just don't know how enticing future picks are when the team will be landing AD and he may re-sign. He's not KG or Paul Pierce. He's very much in his prime.
Anthony Davis: No Loyalty
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Yeah, on reflection, Houston/Capela+picks doesn’t really make sense, since:
(1) The picks will suck;
(2) Demps probably won’t want to help out their de facto regional rival;
(3) Morey is annoying;
(4) Capela, productive and efficient as he is, isn’t the type of star you can really sell tickets with (you ideally want a guy who can dribble, shoot, and/or pass);
(5) They can probably do better, and the same deal (basically, anything Demps wants except Harden) will almost certainly be on the table this summer.
I’m fairly sure Morey has been bugging him, though.
(1) The picks will suck;
(2) Demps probably won’t want to help out their de facto regional rival;
(3) Morey is annoying;
(4) Capela, productive and efficient as he is, isn’t the type of star you can really sell tickets with (you ideally want a guy who can dribble, shoot, and/or pass);
(5) They can probably do better, and the same deal (basically, anything Demps wants except Harden) will almost certainly be on the table this summer.
I’m fairly sure Morey has been bugging him, though.
I have to imagine Masai is thinking this way. He's already all-in with Kawhi. Is there a deal around Siakam that would even get them in the conversation?
Only if they think they can re-sign him. The Hawks, for example, would not even bother trying.
I'd be pretty happy to get a bunch of Houston picks 4+ years out. A lot of bad things can happen for them in that time, and you'd be taking away their ability to use those picks to avoid having the bad things happen.
Maybe, but very few GMs have that sort of job security. That's a deal that gets most GMs fired and some other GM reaps the benefits of all the extra picks.
***fake trade alert***
Toronto offers in the next 10 days:
Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Valanciunis + a future 1st
to NOLA for:
AD, Frazier, Miller
Dell Demps would have to pick up that phone call and consider it
Toronto's defense would be insane: AD, Ibaka, Kawhi, Green, Lowry
Toronto offers in the next 10 days:
Siakam, VanVleet, Anunoby, Valanciunis + a future 1st
to NOLA for:
AD, Frazier, Miller
Dell Demps would have to pick up that phone call and consider it
Toronto's defense would be insane: AD, Ibaka, Kawhi, Green, Lowry
I give LA a 0% chance of acquiring Davis in the next 10 days and a decided underdog to be the Pelicans trading partner this summer for some of the reasons that you list......primarily the Lakers being in the WC and Demps/NO salty about LeBron's public comments last month.
I will challenge you on #4 since so many non-LA players do have homes in LA because that's the place to be (Kawhi just bought a $13m home in LA) but also stating that the players are "on the road during the season" when truth is Laker players will spend less than 60 nights not sleeping in their own bed during the season.
TomAto, tomato. My point was that NBA players aren't looking to save a few dollars in taxes by not wanting to own property in California when even out-of-town players buy houses there.
You generally pay state income taxes based on where your money is earned. A Lakers player pays much more in income taxes than say a Spurs or Heat player because at least half of the Lakers player’s salary is subject to CA income tax. Where you have a home is largely irrelevant to a pro athlete’s situation, and CA property taxes are in the bottom half of the country.
Yikes, Kawhi bought that home last week. What are the odds he re-signs with Toronto now?
Rancho Santa Fe is 2hrs drive to Staples, maybe Kawhi just uses the home in the off-season and makes it his future retirement spot?
Still, that would make me nervous if I'm the Raptors
You realize he was born, went to college in, and has lived the great majority of his life in Southern California, right?
yea, I think everyone on this board realizes that...but how many times has the notoriously frugal Kawhi* plunked down $13,000,000 for a house in SoCal, in a contract year, when he's been pretty explicit about his desire to play in LA?
I guess its nothing and could easily be his off-season/retirement house (not very convenient for LA) but the media speculates when Kyrie makes one call to Bron...
*https://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/san-antonio-spurs-kawhi-leonard-1997-chevy-tahoe-hates-spotlight-star-031516
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For a max player that is ~100K.
Not nothing, but not the consideration people are thinking it is.
If AD does not get traded, he will likely be shut down...
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If no trade materializes between now and the Feb. 7 buzzer, with the playoffs essentially out of reach, New Orleans has much more incentive to keep Anthony Davis shelved in the name of protecting its prized trade asset rather than playing him. As does Davis himself
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If no trade materializes between now and the Feb. 7 buzzer, with the playoffs essentially out of reach, New Orleans has much more incentive to keep Anthony Davis shelved in the name of protecting its prized trade asset rather than playing him. As does Davis himself
I understand it; and the way the NBA is set up, such behavior is incentivized. But if I had season tickets, and they don't trade him and then just sit him, I'd be pissed. Instead of complaining about NFL officials' calls, maybe Louisiana legislators should voice their concerns over how a fucktillionaire owner is pissing away taxpayer money (which I assume was given away to the team at some point, because it always is).
Yup. Real raw deal for the fans but nothing will happen. Not like anyone cares but fantasy owners will be whining too.
? California has a top marginal rate of 13.3%, which kicks in around $1M. An athlete making $30M/year for a CA team would have a roughly $4M tax bill.
It's clearly not a deciding factor for lots of guys, but it's very substantial.
As stated earlier on this page, NBA players and all athletes (as well as people earning money in different states than they live) pay taxes where they earn their money. So the taxes would be on 15 MM not 30 MM and thus the bill would be 2 MM. Of course, if I'm a player I consider how this balances out with increased endorsement opportunity. I expect the math for most would be CA endorsement boost >>>> any place other than NY (which also has an income tax alas not as hefty)
Lets the Pels tank and get in the Zion lottery. I don't think the fans would care at the end of the day if they landed Zion.
Move to 6th worst (only 3 games out), and they get 9% at top pick and 37.2% at a top 4 pick.
Move to 6th worst (only 3 games out), and they get 9% at top pick and 37.2% at a top 4 pick.
If Demps wants talent more than picks, Raptors can make an offer that far surpasses any Lakers offer: Valenciunas, Siakam, Anunoby, VanVleet. Toronto would have its big three, plus Ibaka. And if Toronto gets Davis, maybe Kawhi decides to stay, at least for another year on a 1+1 deal.
That's a nightmare scenario for the Celtics, which is why Ainge has to be considering moving Kyrie and trading for Davis now.
That's a nightmare scenario for the Celtics, which is why Ainge has to be considering moving Kyrie and trading for Davis now.
The problem with doing this is 1) no Kyrie makes AD less likely to stay, and 2) a Rozier, Smart, Tatum, Horford, AD lineup is not beating GSW this year
Where can Ainge move Kyrie? Who will give up anything of value for him, knowing he is a serious flight risk in ~ four months.
Denver? Maybe but why would they blow up their young core for a rental that probably doesn't get them over the top against the Warriors?
If the Cs have a shot at getting and keeping Davis, its because Kyrie is part of the team. If they have to surrender Irving to get him now they will be getting worse by virtue of trading their best player to make "room" and then trading their assets to the Pelicans in the AD deal (assuming that NO wouldn't do an Irving for Davis swap - it makes no sense for them to do that imho). And has been widely reported, Davis and Irving are friends so trading Kyrie isn't going to induce the former to stay in Boston.
I agree with you that Toronto can put together a very compelling package of good young realized NBA talent though. I would put nothing past Ujiri at this point.
Am I the only one who would be kind of happy if the Raptors got Davis and he stuck around? Just because it means the Lakers don't get him?
I know why they would be doing it, but it's a joke and I hate it. Sitting a healthy player for months on end is a stain on the NBA.
If AD comes next week, Tatum will likely be gone along with Kyrie. The Pelicans would have no interest in a Kyrie rental, but Memphis might or Charlotte might, in exchange for Conley or Walker.
It's not a move I would make (I'm not trading Tatum, period), but Ainge may make it, especially if it's the only way to keep AD out of Toronto.
It's not a move I would make (I'm not trading Tatum, period), but Ainge may make it, especially if it's the only way to keep AD out of Toronto.
Removing the two teams that are on his list reportedly (Knicks and Lakers) how many teams could offer a legitimate package and contend for a championship after, IE be so good that you think you can convince AD to stay and sign an extension?
From my vantage point, it looks like 4 definite teams (1 of which is dependent on the deal being done before the deadline) with one potential one.
The 4 definites:
Celtics
Nuggets
Sixers (pre-deadline could involve Butler; post deadline Ben Simmons)
Raptors (would have to be pre-deadline so Kawhi is for sure on the roster)
The maybe:
Blazers (if the trade is Nurk, McCollum, and 1sts for Davis I don't think the rest of that roster is good enough and there's no avenue to improve really)
Am I missing anyone? That leaves a max of 7 teams realistically
From my vantage point, it looks like 4 definite teams (1 of which is dependent on the deal being done before the deadline) with one potential one.
The 4 definites:
Celtics
Nuggets
Sixers (pre-deadline could involve Butler; post deadline Ben Simmons)
Raptors (would have to be pre-deadline so Kawhi is for sure on the roster)
The maybe:
Blazers (if the trade is Nurk, McCollum, and 1sts for Davis I don't think the rest of that roster is good enough and there's no avenue to improve really)
Am I missing anyone? That leaves a max of 7 teams realistically
Why would Memphis or Charlotte want Kyrie? And if they do, what would they trade for him? Neither makes any sense as a potential Irving destination imho.
Memphis may view Kyrie as an expiring contract, and the Grizz, who are rebuilding, may want to get out of paying the injury-prone Conley nearly 70 million through 2021. As for Charlotte, you'd probably have to offer something else (e.g. a pick) but Walker is gone at the end of the year just like Kyrie will be, so why not deal Kemba to Boston for a sweetner?
It's a little less than two months, post All-Star break (assuming that's about when he'd normally return from his finger injury), but agreed.
On the other hand, it would also be kinda weird if he played those two months as a lame duck, with his teamates looking on him as a turncoat, and him disincentivized to play defense, or set good screens, or dive after balls, or do anything else that might increase his risk of injury (like, you know, make the playoffs).
See, I think that would be hilarious to watch and was hoping to see the awkwardness. This would rob us of that.
Kyrie is not getting traded in any type of package that lands AD this year for reasons that have been mentioned ad nauseam in this thread. Please stop suggesting it as a possibility.
Siakam is a really good player, and that offer beats most proposed Lakers' offers.
The problem for Toronto is that Taytum is nearly 4 years younger than Siakam (25 in April), and projects much more as the type of guy you can build an offense around. At that point, all the Celtics have to do is throw in one lottery pick, and they've beaten that Raptors' offer quite handily.
Will Demps panic and just take the Toronto offer? Stranger things have happened. But NO is going through all the steps of shutting AD down, removing him from the team, saying he probably won't play this year, which indicates to me that they want AD healthy and ready for a late June frenzy.
Kemba Walker is reputed to love it in Charlotte and wants to stay there. Scal must've talked about this for 5 minutes on last night's broadcast.
Based on that, all AD needs is some assurance from Irving and then the Celtics seem like a more long-term player.
There is it Kyrie. You want your dynasty? You want your number retired in Boston? The only thing you gotta do is sign the contact that will pay you more than any other one will. Not such a big sacrifice.
LOL, I always mute the announcers. I wish there was a way to turn them off while still hearing the crowd noise. I have nothing against Gorman, but the rest of them are just annoying. I enjoy Scal on his Sirius XM show with Frank Isola, but I find his commentary at Celtics games to be nothing special.
I have no doubt that Ainge can find a reasonable home for Kyrie at the deadline if that's what Ainge wants to do. If it isn't Charlotte, it will be elsewhere.
You can absolutely smell the desperation of Davis' "camp". Nice try with the Kyrie stuff.
Of course AD's camp is claiming Kyrie isn't a sure bet to re-up with Boston. AD's camp is the de facto GM of the Lakers, in new agent Rich Paul and Klutch(Lebron) Sports. Hopefully, New Orleans' owner will be so pissed at the tampering that they never entertain an offer from the Lakers. If Davis has to play out his contract and go to free agency, it can cost him up to $82 million in guaranteed salary. If Klutch makes it that the Lakers are the only market for AD, and Mrs Benson gets stubborn, Davis could be mothballed for a season and a half, or more likely a one year rental. Gayle Benson has a reported net worth of $2.7 billion. and the Pels are the red headed stepchild of her assets. She's known as tough and stubborn.
There should be at least half the owners in Adam Silver's ear over this situation. For the good of the game, he should prohibit Davis from ever going to the Lakers after this clear case of tampering. I don't think the CBA allows him to prohibit Davis from signing there as a FA, but there is precedent for him to block a trade.
There should be at least half the owners in Adam Silver's ear over this situation. For the good of the game, he should prohibit Davis from ever going to the Lakers after this clear case of tampering. I don't think the CBA allows him to prohibit Davis from signing there as a FA, but there is precedent for him to block a trade.
And she's also in a pissed off mood right now because of the Saints. The timing of this couldn't be worse for LA. LeBron and Paul took a shot but they're not going to get anywhere with their blatant attempt at tampering. AD isn't getting traded before the deadline. My only real concern now is the draft lottery making a team like New York more viable to New Orleans.