Anthony Davis: No Loyalty

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You guys are too smart for this bullshit.

Pels know theres is no reason to rush this trade. No trade will be made in the next few weeks.

Irving has stated on multiple occasions he wants to resign here, but hasnt yet because he makes more money doing so at the end of the season.

We also are pretty confident that the "Kyrie wants out" stuff is planted.

The Celtics are the best trading partner, even without Tatum involved. All the other stuff is noise.

Chill.
You fight the good fight, but remember that scores of members here had the Pats falling apart all year due to Guerrero, Jimmy G, Kraft, etc. because some dickhead with an agenda and a keyboard said so.

Lebron controls the world, LA is the center of the universe, sports agents have infiltrated all levels of government. Drink the kool aid.
 

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I mean, nobody needs to be told to “chill”. People are pretty calmly discussing the situation based on what I can tell.
 

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What happens when they say yes? You've just acquired three pennies and three dimes for a dollar, as per that hilarious trade-window that @Sam Ray Not posted yesterday.
If they say yes then you know you can have everything sans Lebron and you weigh it against other offers accordingly. It’s not a great offer but it’s not bad either.
 

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That Lakers team WITH LeBron is mediocre. Why would the Pels want them WITHOUT LeBron?
that has been my line of thinking... sweeten that with 3 unprotected picks starting in 2030 and the rights to swap picks every year from now until then... and probably still not!
 

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There is a massive financial disincentive for Davis to leave NO to begin with. It's clear this isn't all about the most amount of money on the table.
Right, there's a pretty clear pattern in the NBA now:
1. no one ever passes up the max extension after the rookie deal to take the qualifying offer
2. after that first big contract, guys don't care as much about the marginal dollars on their 2nd big deal.

Going from $20M lifetime earnings to $150M is a way bigger deal than going from ~$300M to ~$400M. Which makes total sense.
 

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Sorry, bro. Didnt mean to trigger you.
Cut the shit.

Kyrie will become a free agent this summer. His future is a legitimate subject of discussion. Posters who are chiding other posters for discussing it aren’t contributing to the discussion.
 

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The Pels should insist on getting a top 15 player or at least a couple of good shots to pick one in the draft, or, preferably, both. The Lakers deal of their four or five best young assets and a couple of late round draft picks doesn't give them that.

If the Celtics ship out Tatum, pick two players for the Pels in the draft, and ship out the Memphis pick, the Clippers pick, and two of their own, NO would get a probable future top player in Tatum and have four or five chances in the draft to hit a grand slam, especially with the Griz pick. If the Cs get lucky in the lottery with the Sacto pick, no other team can compete with Tatum and 2 or 3 in this draft.

If Davis becomes a Celtic, Tatum will be the big return, Kyrie and Davis will have signed off on the deal, and both Davis and Kyrie will spend their prime in green. If Ainge can manage to put a team on the court next season with AD, Kyrie, AND Tatum on it, install him in the HOF immediately.
 

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Cut the shit.

Kyrie will become a free agent this summer. His future is a legitimate subject of discussion. Posters who are chiding other posters for discussing it aren’t contributing to the discussion.
Yeah. It's weird that - after several pages of unfounded rumors and guessing - someone points out the counterpoint of Occam's razor. Thought it deserved to be mentioned. Guess were just working with conspiracy theories here. My bad.
 
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I think the Knicks winning the lottery is the one thing that could possibly cause Kyrie to leave. That’s the absolute doomsday scenario for the Celtics.
 

lexrageorge

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Krexit speculation is definitely fair game. The reality is that one of the Celtics conference rivals just cleared a bunch of cap space and will be in deliberate tank mode the remainder of the season, and Kyrie grew up in Knicks/Nets country. Another long time western rival is actively working to bring in star players to team with the league's best player. And there are plenty of other teams doing whatever they can do to improve.

Sure, he declared his plan to remain, but a Krexit is still not out of the question. Players have changed their minds before, and will continue to do so.
 

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I think the Knicks winning the lottery is the one thing that could possibly cause Kyrie to leave. That’s the absolute doomsday scenario for the Celtics.
You think Kyrie will leave Boston to play with a 19-year old kid? He’s having enough trouble dealing with kids here who have been through the league a couple times. Enough problems with it to reach out to LeBron.

Veterans looking to win want to play with experienced players with similar goals who understand what it takes to win in the NBA.......not unproven rookies figuring things out on their watch.
 

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Yeah. It's weird that - after several pages of unfounded rumors and guessing - that someone points out the counterpoint of Occam's razor. Thought it deserved to be mentioned. Guess were just working with conspiracy theories here. My bad.
I appreciate you being certain in your views but for some of us, its still a legitimate discussion. Not triggered here but if you think we aren't chill enough you can just sit the thread out and amuse yourself at the posts or ignore them.

In recent years, the NBA has seen a variety of trades that, at the time, looked lopsided and players taking deals that essentially have them leaving money on the table. This informs some of the reactions to what you accurately refer to as unfounded rumors.

Finally, I believe you made the point upthread that its in Irving's best interests to not affirm he is staying in Boston as it "makes him more money". Excuse me if I misunderstand you but this is not correct. Boston owns Kyrie's Bird rights so the Cs can offer him ~$50mm more than anyone else (after he opts out) assuming a max deal.

Kyrie certainly doesn't owe the media/public another declaration that he intends to stay in Boston but doesn't cost him anything. If he stays a Celtic, he will make more money than anywhere else and restating his desire to remain wont change that one bit.
 

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You think Kyrie will leave Boston to play with a 19-year old kid? He’s having enough trouble dealing with kids here who have been through the league a couple times. Enough problems with it to reach out to LeBron.

Veterans looking to win want to play with experienced players with similar goals who understand what it takes to win in the NBA.......not unproven rookies figuring things out on their watch.
If the Knicks win, there is a non-zero chance they shop the pick for a star to bring in now, and then go all in on the free agent market to bring in another star or two. While I think the Knicks keep the pick, I don't know enough of the dynamics of that franchise right now to rule out the trade possibility.

I appreciate you being certain in your views but for some of us, its still a legitimate discussion. Not triggered here but if you think we aren't chill enough you can just sit the thread out and amuse yourself at the posts or ignore them.

In recent years, the NBA has seen a variety of trades that, at the time, looked lopsided and players taking deals that essentially have them leaving money on the table. This informs some of the reactions to what you accurately refer to as unfounded rumors.

Finally, I believe you made the point upthread that its in Irving's best interests to not affirm he is staying in Boston as it "makes him more money". Excuse me if I misunderstand you but this is not correct. Boston owns Kyrie's Bird rights so the Cs can offer him ~$50mm more than anyone else (after he opts out) assuming a max deal.

Kyrie certainly doesn't owe the media/public another declaration that he intends to stay in Boston but doesn't cost him anything. If he stays a Celtic, he will make more money than anywhere else and restating his desire to remain wont change that one bit.
I know I was at least one poster that made the point in the bolded. While I agree the money will be the same, I still not sure why it would be in Kyrie's best interest to say anything right now. He had nothing to do with the AD trade request and the resulting media storm. Anything he says will be parsed 100 different ways to eternity and eventually be held against him by the media anyway. The media speculation really isn't his problem, and if the team cannot overcome it, then the team is not that good to begin with .
 

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You think Kyrie will leave Boston to play with a 19-year old kid? He’s having enough trouble dealing with kids here who have been through the league a couple times. Enough problems with it to reach out to LeBron.

Veterans looking to win want to play with experienced players with similar goals who understand what it takes to win in the NBA.......not unproven rookies figuring things out on their watch.
I assume he meant that the Knicks getting the #1 pick would make it easier for them to trade for AD, making them even more for attractive for Kyrie.
 

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We saw this, right?
I'll just go ahead and say it since this may not be clear to everyone reading that this doesn't pertain to Kyrie. Windhorst's statement is that 'all' players are available 'after the season when Irving is expected to become a free agent'.

This is confidence that Kyrie will stay, not that he will go. If Kyrie leaves, trading assets for Davis probably doesn't get us anywhere.
 

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I assume he meant that the Knicks getting the #1 pick would make it easier for them to trade for AD, making them even more for attractive for Kyrie.
100% correct. If they get the #1 pick they can make a very attractive offer to the Pelicans to get AD
 

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Shams reports Davis says the Celtics “aren't a preferred destination long-term for New Orleans star Anthony Davis, and in Davis’ mind, remain a rental option.”

So that’s not great.
 

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If that is still his position in the spring it limits just how far I would go, but I would still love the chances of retaining him given that you pulled him from one of the worst NBA cities to one of the best.

Of course, I say "his position" when really this all boils down to LeBron's position.
 

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Of course, I say "his position" when really this all boils down to LeBron's position.
I can't agree with that. Do you think Rich Paul is putting words in AD's mouth, or manipulating AD on LeBron's orders? Or do you think, for whatever reason, AD really wants to play for the Lakers? AD wouldn't have changed agents if he wanted to play elsewhere. He hired Klutch sports because he knew that it was his best chance to become a Laker.
 

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Shams reports Davis says the Celtics “aren't a preferred destination long-term for New Orleans star Anthony Davis, and in Davis’ mind, remain a rental option.”

So that’s not great.
I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into this quote. Rich Paul is Lebron's best friend and their goal is to get AD out of New Orleans and on the Lakers right now. It would be against their best interests to consider Boston as that would just pull the timeline out until the summer.
 

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I can't agree with that. Do you think Rich Paul is putting words in AD's mouth, or manipulating AD on LeBron's orders? Or do you think, for whatever reason, AD really wants to play for the Lakers? AD wouldn't have changed agents if he wanted to play elsewhere. He hired Klutch sports because he knew that it was his best chance to become a Laker.
I don't think there's any question that Davis would jump at the chance to join the Lakers.

What we don't know are his reasons for wanting to do so, and that is what matters to some extent. Ainge is outwardly expressing confidence that if Davis were here and on a winning team, Davis could be swayed to re-up with Boston. While it may not be AD's preferred outcome today, it doesn't mean such an outcome would be outwardly dismissed by Davis either.

I do think part of what's going on here is that Klutch is planting sources to put pressure on NO to trade Davis to the Lakers now rather than wait until Boston's offer this offseason. Saying "Davis will only commit long term to LA" facilitates that move. Of course, Ainge has motives to say what he's saying as well. This whole exercise is an interesting study of game theory.
 

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I think LeBron called Davis months ago and said, I'd love to play with you. That's ultimate flattery, right? Davis replied that he would love to play with LeBron, and LeBron said, if you want to be a Laker, dump your current agent and hire my guy Rich Paul, and Rich will do his very best to make it happen.

My guess is that LeBron recruited Davis, and Davis bought into it 100%. Kyrie may have tried the same thing, but he doesn't have nearly the juice-- or the nice weather, the pretty girls, the ancillary revenue opportunities, the brand new mansion, and all of that.
 

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Shams reports Davis says the Celtics “aren't a preferred destination long-term for New Orleans star Anthony Davis, and in Davis’ mind, remain a rental option.”

So that’s not great.
We heard this yesterday. It's because of Kyrie.
 

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It's better than the kings winning the lottery.
You want the Kings to win the lottery, just not the #1 pole. Any other lottery win and the Davis/Irving Celtics are going to kill the NBA in 2020.
 
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Shams reports Davis says the Celtics “aren't a preferred destination long-term for New Orleans star Anthony Davis, and in Davis’ mind, remain a rental option.”

So that’s not great.
So a Lakers' mouthpiece says the Lakers are where Davis wants to play? What comes next will shock you!
 

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Biggest takeaways from AD's presser:
--He hasn't given the organization a desired timeline or destination for trade
--He wants a trade because it's "my time" to start winning at highest level
--Hopes NOLA fans will still embrace him after he leaves
--Still wants to play this year
 

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Saying he didn't give a destination for trade doesn't mean his representation didn't say he won't resign in certain places.
 

Big John

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Well, he's already been fined $50K and someone who works for Adam Silver might watch ESPN from time to time.
 

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ESPN just showed a text from Anthony Davis' dad saying he'd never want to let his son play in Boston "after what they did to Isaiah Thomas."
 

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ESPN just showed a text from Anthony Davis' dad saying he'd never want to let his son play in Boston "after what they did to Isaiah Thomas."
Oh for fuck’s sake. IT can’t even play now, Danny should have given him a max or something?

I mean Jesus. What about what your son is doing to New Orleans?