Xavier Tillman to Celtics for 2 2nd round picks

[InstaFace]

Maybe, but he is signed for another year and clearly still has it. Lots of guys hang on with less than he brings.

And just as importantly, he not only keeps himself in absolute tip-top shape with a nearly Tom Brady-esque devotion to nutrition and weight training, but he's an evangelist for the same and everyone who's passed through the Celtics roster in his tenure remarks on how much he's influenced them to do likewise, checks in on them, asks and really cares how they're each feeling and what's nagging them. He's the exact sort of profile of a guy who can play pro sports into his 40s. If he wasn't that fanatical, we'd have seen it in on the court by now, but also that would be an indication of his motivation to continue. By being such a gym rat, so single-mindedly concerned with maintaining his health and fitness, he's making a statement about how much he wants to stay in the league, even in Year 17 of his career. He may not be Lebron, but he's going the same direction as Lebron when it comes to maintenance and conditioning, so no reason to suspect he can't continue the graceful aging that Lebron has seen, albeit from his own (lower) performance level.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

And just as importantly, he not only keeps himself in absolute tip-top shape with a nearly Tom Brady-esque devotion to nutrition and weight training, but he's an evangelist for the same and everyone who's passed through the Celtics roster in his tenure remarks on how much he's influenced them to do likewise, checks in on them, asks and really cares how they're each feeling and what's nagging them. He's the exact sort of profile of a guy who can play pro sports into his 40s. If he wasn't that fanatical, we'd have seen it in on the court by now, but also that would be an indication of his motivation to continue. By being such a gym rat, so single-mindedly concerned with maintaining his health and fitness, he's making a statement about how much he wants to stay in the league, even in Year 17 of his career. He may not be Lebron, but he's going the same direction as Lebron when it comes to maintenance and conditioning, so no reason to suspect he can't continue the graceful aging that Lebron has seen, albeit from his own (lower) performance level.

As I mentioned upthread, Tillman specifically mentioned Al's guidance on this issue - longevity and taking care of one's body - as something he's taken in over the last couple of weeks.

 

[the moops]

I haven't gotten to watch to much of too many games recently, but what I have seen of Tillman is underwhelming. Is he offering much? Will he sneak into the playoff rotation?

 

[bosockboy]

I haven't gotten to watch to much of too many games recently, but what I have seen of Tillman is underwhelming. Is he offering much? Will he sneak into the playoff rotation?

Situationally yes. He’s a perfect body to throw at Bam, Giannis, etc.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Agreed---his role is to be a big-bodied defensive 4/5. That is critcal vs Embiid, Giannis, Jokic given rest of roster.

And...

Whether he plays more than spot minutes vs most other teams depends on who is healthy and what's working/not on a given day.

I'm not even sure he's in the rotation if everyone is healthy save the need above - Brissett and Kornet are better fits for the system overall. But he brings beef, defensive versatility (he's better flexing between outside and inside than either of those guys), and rebounding when needed. So a nice depth piece who hasn't shown he can really shoot, but he can screen, pass, and play D/rebound.

If I were guessing, his playoff lines will go from DNP/CD to 15+ minutes depending on what's going on. Which is totally fine.

 

[benhogan]

I haven't gotten to watch to much of too many games recently, but what I have seen of Tillman is underwhelming. Is he offering much? Will he sneak into the playoff rotation?

the box score is underwhelming but the defense is every bit as good as advertised. He'll be situationally key.

Many games he'll be DNP & then there will be games he plays 15 key minutes against players like Giannis, Joker, etc

 

[lars10]

Agreed---his role is to be a big-bodied defensive 4/5. That is critcal vs Embiid, Giannis, Jokic given rest of roster.

And...

Whether he plays more than spot minutes vs most other teams depends on who is healthy and what's working/not on a given day.

I'm not even sure he's in the rotation if everyone is healthy save the need above - Brissett and Kornet are better fits for the system overall. But he brings beef, defensive versatility (he's better flexing between outside and inside than either of those guys), and rebounding when needed. So a nice depth piece who hasn't shown he can really shoot, but he can screen, pass, and play D/rebound.

If I were guessing, his playoff lines will go from DNP/CD to 15+ minutes depending on what's going on. Which is totally fine.

the box score is underwhelming but the defense is every bit as good as advertised. He'll be situationally key.

Many games he'll be DNP & then there will be games he plays 15 key minutes against players like Giannis, Joker, etc

Funny that you both said basically the same thing about his minutes.

From what I’ve seen Tillman is what he is, as you guys said, the Celts don’t need another scorer really.. but he’s fit in very well in just doing the little things that help to win games. He’s another piece added to make the whole team better…and he seems to come free of ego so he fits into any role the Celts want to give him.

 

[lovegtm]

I haven't gotten to watch to much of too many games recently, but what I have seen of Tillman is underwhelming. Is he offering much? Will he sneak into the playoff rotation?

I think a combination of underwhelming a bit, and Kornet finding an extra gear no one thought he had.

Tillman has a long track record of being a playoff-level rotation player, so I'm not too concerned, but I bet he only plays in matchups where drop defense or roaming way off a mediocre shooter isn't viable. The Cs love to use Kornet as that roamer now.

 

[Devizier]

Dude is exactly who the Celtics traded for, a rotational matchup-specific big. I think underwhelming only works if you were expecting a lot more than that.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

People were throwing around a Horford comp initially---he isn't that offensively, or even really in terms of defensive versatility. But that's ok---Horford was a max-ish level guy and a top-5 pick. Tillman's role is to be a useful guy who is valuable in some specific situations.

Some here probably recall I spent the first half of the year arguing they needed a widebody big---and so I'm thrilled they found a cost-controlled version of that profile.

 

[BigSoxFan]

People were throwing around a Horford comp initially---he isn't that offensively, or even really in terms of defensive versatility. But that's ok---Horford was a max-ish level guy and a top-5 pick. Tillman's role is to be a useful guy who is valuable in some specific situations.

Some here probably recall I spent the first half of the year arguing they needed a widebody big---and so I'm thrilled they found a cost-controlled version of that profile.

Agreed. He’s effectively filling the Leon Powe/PJ Brown role for this team. He won’t play as much as those guys, both averaged double digit minutes in 2008 playoffs, but he’s fully capable of stepping in and not killing the team, which is all you could hope for given the low acquisition cost.

Just a hunch but I feel like an Xavier Tillman playoff moment is coming.

 

[benhogan]

People were throwing around a Horford comp initially---he isn't that offensively, or even really in terms of defensive versatility. But that's ok---Horford was a max-ish level guy and a top-5 pick. Tillman's role is to be a useful guy who is valuable in some specific situations.

Some here probably recall I spent the first half of the year arguing they needed a widebody big---and so I'm thrilled they found a cost-controlled version of that profile.

Yep an experienced, mobile +++defensive BIG to replace Grant was the obvious bench need to start the season.
Queta did an admirable job as the 4th/5th string Beef Center & wouldn't mind him returning on a minimum deal next season.

I suspect Brad never had much interest in WINGs like Saddiq Bey or Konchar.

Many had Tillman on the radar at the trade deadline.

 

[m0ckduck]

Yeah: he's Grant, with less variance, fewer headaches and a cheaper price tag.

 

[Bunt4aTriple]

Trading for Tillman to be your 9-11th guy is greatly preferable to trading for Rodney Roger's to start.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

I think his play has ebbed as the Celtics have started the regular resting of veterans. I think he tended to fit better in lineups with 3-4 of our top 6 than in the various types of lineups that have been playing more recently. I think he'll be fine - though his role will be small, maybe situational - come playoff time. I think Horford has said that he likes playing with Tillman.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Tillman has been exactly as advertised. He is an end of rotation D-oriented big who can function well in certain match-ups and whose non-shooting skills are above average. The problem is that this C's team is built on having five players who can hurt you in a variety of ways offensively and when he is slotted into his role, he instantly allows the opposing defense to change their approach.

Again, this guy with a league-average offensive game is probably a core rotational player on contenders for the balance of his career and I suspect he knows that as well as anyone. Maybe he can figure out his offense but after four seasons, it doesn't feel likely.

 

[pjheff]

Again, this guy with a league-average offensive game is probably a core rotational player on contenders for the balance of his career and I suspect he knows that as well as anyone. Maybe he can figure out his offense but after four seasons, it doesn't feel likely.

Perhaps, but he’s 25 with a reputation for his high basketball IQ and work ethic. And he’s only played 11 games thus far with the C’s. How many guys on the current roster added to their games (Horford), matured as players (White), and became more efficient (Holiday) after that age? I’m not saying that Tillman will experience the surge or make the impact of those other players. I will say that I have a lot of faith in Brad Stevens’ eye for scouting talent on other rosters and understanding of how it could be optimized on our own.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

X-man talks about shooting mechanics in second tweet below. I'll note that even though he's shooting .200 from 3P land, he's shooting .813 on 2P shots and he's been hitting 75% of his FTs while in BOS!

View: https://twitter.com/BobbyKrivitsky/status/1770189581868023998

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

I found this tweet from Givony back in 2020 when he did the "virtual combine." He apparently came in 2nd in the NBA's star drill, making 75% of his 3Ps. I'm not shot doctor but his form looks good, clean, and repeatable to me. Maybe that's why BOS is encouraging him to take 3Ps when he has them.

View: https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1324506738071130114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1324506738071130114%7Ctwgr%5E70bba1b07eee8211ce071f666f74e4d57c43cf3c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fspartanswire.usatoday.com%2F2020%2F11%2F05%2Fwatch-michigan-states-xavier-tillman-no-2-best-shooter-in-nba-combine-drill%2F

 

[HomeRunBaker]

I think his play has ebbed as the Celtics have started the regular resting of veterans. I think he tended to fit better in lineups with 3-4 of our top 6 than in the various types of lineups that have been playing more recently. I think he'll be fine - though his role will be small, maybe situational - come playoff time. I think Horford has said that he likes playing with Tillman.

Bingo. Tillman is similar to PP and Hauser in that he’s a great “fit” guy who would get lost playing with a bunch of other role players. When given a singular defined role that is when he is most valuable.

 

[bakahump]

I found this tweet from Givony back in 2020 when he did the "virtual combine." He apparently came in 2nd in the NBA's star drill, making 75% of his 3Ps. I'm not shot doctor but his form looks good, clean, and repeatable to me. Maybe that's why BOS is encouraging him to take 3Ps when he has them.

View: https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1324506738071130114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1324506738071130114%7Ctwgr%5E70bba1b07eee8211ce071f666f74e4d57c43cf3c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fspartanswire.usatoday.com%2F2020%2F11%2F05%2Fwatch-michigan-states-xavier-tillman-no-2-best-shooter-in-nba-combine-drill%2F

He should never shoot from the left wing...