Xavier Tillman to Celtics for 2 2nd round picks
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Posted this the other day. Not a bad analysis from this guy. Good handle/passer for a BIG
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXLVi9fyP1c
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXLVi9fyP1c
Any word on who's being shipped out? (edit: later updates indicate it's Lamar Stevens)
Seems like a useful, if peripheral, move.
Seems like a useful, if peripheral, move.
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Only makes $1.9mm and on an expiring. Exactly the type of move I’d expect the front office to make to build some death, while retaining maximum payroll flexibility before making a pitch to ownership this offseason to keep this team together.
Other contributions:
Greenberg: Tillman makes just $1.9M so if that's using TPE money there's still a nice chunk left
Forsberg: Xavier Tillman adds big-man depth with defense-minded presence. Averaging 2.1 stocks per game this season and always among top bigs in steals (98th percentile this year, per Cleaning the Glass).
Karalis: I don't know how this trade is being done yet or if Brad Stevens has any other moves up his sleeve, but Tillman does fit into the Justin Jackson TPE so the $6.2 million Grant Williams TPE can still be fully used
Some guy: Brad really got Xavier Tillman for nothing he has done some kind of deal with the devil
Greenberg: Tillman makes just $1.9M so if that's using TPE money there's still a nice chunk left
Forsberg: Xavier Tillman adds big-man depth with defense-minded presence. Averaging 2.1 stocks per game this season and always among top bigs in steals (98th percentile this year, per Cleaning the Glass).
Karalis: I don't know how this trade is being done yet or if Brad Stevens has any other moves up his sleeve, but Tillman does fit into the Justin Jackson TPE so the $6.2 million Grant Williams TPE can still be fully used
Some guy: Brad really got Xavier Tillman for nothing he has done some kind of deal with the devil
He makes 1.9 mill. So it's either someone like Banton or Svi - or if no other moves are happening they could just take him into the TPE
i think he’s this years Muscala.
play in the regular season when Al or KP is out, enjoy the view from the bench in the playoffs
Well, not in the last 2 minutes of each quarter, when hack-a-shaq off-ball fouls result in 1 free throw and possession for the fouled team.
This was my thought as well. He makes $1.9 million, the team is better shipping off a player or 2 and keep the TPE intact just in case, while also leaving a roster spot open for a buyout
Yeah, but you can have that with a guy with this defensive prowess. Free throws, they can just hack him.Well, two glaring weaknesses: his FG% is worse
He’s only playing at all in the olayoffs if Al or KP is out, and he’s definitely not playing in the last 8-10 minutes of any playoff game, so I can’t imagine that matters too much.
I like him in a limited role and the price was right.
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1755315875022848118
Xavier Tillman adds big-man depth with defense-minded presence. Averaging 2.1 stocks per game this season and always among top bigs in steals (98th percentile this year, per Cleaning the Glass).
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1755315875022848118
Xavier Tillman adds big-man depth with defense-minded presence. Averaging 2.1 stocks per game this season and always among top bigs in steals (98th percentile this year, per Cleaning the Glass).
He'd play at the end of Q1/Q3 + the beginning of Q2/Q4 which nullifies Hack-a-Bricklayer
It works well on starters, not 3rd/4th string Centers
The odds of Al and KP both making it through the playoffs without significant rest is…probably not great.
Can’t you do it beginning of quarters?
Edit - nm limit issues
Also he's 6'7, that's shorter even than Theis (6'8"), are we sure he's going to play as a big for us, and not a wing defender who's there to put some beef on guys like (say) Siakam and Tobias Harris?
Difference is, Muscala was unplayable on defense, therefore couldn't see playoff minutes. With Tillman, the issues are on offense. They can stick him in the dunker's spot, not pass him the ball a whole lot and avoid playing him at the end of quarters. He could still be useful in a scenario I've raised before: KP gets into early foul trouble and you need someone better than Queta who can creditably guard elite bigs for 10-15 min in a playoff game.
I doubt he will get the degree of minutes or touches that will make the FT thing a real problem. How is his screening?
I love the move. He's a great addition to the front court. Has played big minutes in the playoffs too.
I would also assume that, while not ever going to be a feature option offensively, his shooting numbers should improve (whether due to progressing to his career mean and/or playing with a very talented group of other offensive players). His TS% is only at .440 while his career is prior to this season was .585 (although, his horrific free throw percentage may or may not rebound-- his career average was 61% and he sits 44% this year).
Feels a little like the PJ Brown addition. Not as tall, but has an old man's game and is very tough without 40 years old. Great get.
I would also assume that, while not ever going to be a feature option offensively, his shooting numbers should improve (whether due to progressing to his career mean and/or playing with a very talented group of other offensive players). His TS% is only at .440 while his career is prior to this season was .585 (although, his horrific free throw percentage may or may not rebound-- his career average was 61% and he sits 44% this year).
Feels a little like the PJ Brown addition. Not as tall, but has an old man's game and is very tough without 40 years old. Great get.
He plays much bigger than his height, defensively, 7’2 wingspan.
He can defend wings, but he’s at his best defending bigs.
According to this guy, Tillman is a basketball genius
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXLVi9fyP1c
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXLVi9fyP1c
he's 100% NBA Beef
BUT he can take 5-6 minutes of body blows from Giannis over a long series
My guess is he fills three potential matchup needs:
1) He provides the 'big body defensive minutes' we need vs Giannis/Jokic (and theoretically Embiid)
2) He is a quality defensive big who can switch, so he's a bit of Horford insurance against Clippers-like teams (and possibly some extra defensive minutes vs quality 4s in particular)
3) He provides some rebounding support when we struggle against bigger teams
Thus, I'd guess he takes Brisset/Kornet minutes against some teams and is more injury insurance against others. Figuring in some minutes when a rotation guy is out, I think that's 12 or so a game on average?
The way they call Giannis, that means he’s likely to foul out. But at least he’ll have done so a hero.
Answering my own question: Yes, probably, except against absolute towers where we need KP or Luke.
View: https://twitter.com/__Kingnik/status/1755317353594679721
They’d just play Al Horford against those elite bigs, and play four of the non bigs with him.
Queta isn’t seeing the floor in the playoffs either. He’s not even currently eligible to play.
Now it’s Tillman/Kornet as emergency playoff depth.
Nekias is the first to mention his screening, which is a big part of the Celtics offense.
View: https://twitter.com/NekiasNBA/status/1755315789677109293
View: https://twitter.com/NekiasNBA/status/1755315789677109293
Smith is right, Marks forgot about the apron, edited his post to the Grant TPE
He may get some matchup specific time against Giannis. Big body with decent feet.