Xavier Tillman to Celtics for 2 2nd round picks

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Love it, no brainer for the price. Struggles to finish offensively, but can help on the glass and defensively.
 

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Love this move. Wish Konchar could have heeen stapled to it but this is good stuff. POBOBS strikes again
 

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Only makes $1.9mm and on an expiring. Exactly the type of move I’d expect the front office to make to build some death, while retaining maximum payroll flexibility before making a pitch to ownership this offseason to keep this team together.
 

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Greenberg: Tillman makes just $1.9M so if that's using TPE money there's still a nice chunk left

Forsberg: Xavier Tillman adds big-man depth with defense-minded presence. Averaging 2.1 stocks per game this season and always among top bigs in steals (98th percentile this year, per Cleaning the Glass).

Karalis: I don't know how this trade is being done yet or if Brad Stevens has any other moves up his sleeve, but Tillman does fit into the Justin Jackson TPE so the $6.2 million Grant Williams TPE can still be fully used

Some guy: Brad really got Xavier Tillman for nothing he has done some kind of deal with the devil
 

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One glaring weakness…his ft shooting is so bad (41%) he might be unplayable in the playoffs.
 

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I’d guess they stuff Svi into this, leave them with no money added here. Leave themselves some more room if Wyc wants to use it
 

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Does he get legit minutes over any rotation guys?

Or just mainly depth/insurance?
i think he’s this years Muscala.

play in the regular season when Al or KP is out, enjoy the view from the bench in the playoffs
 

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Any word on who's being shipped out?

Seems like a useful, if peripheral, move.
This was my thought as well. He makes $1.9 million, the team is better shipping off a player or 2 and keep the TPE intact just in case, while also leaving a roster spot open for a buyout
 

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One glaring weakness…his ft shooting is so bad (41%) he might be unplayable in the playoffs.
He’s only playing at all in the olayoffs if Al or KP is out, and he’s definitely not playing in the last 8-10 minutes of any playoff game, so I can’t imagine that matters too much.
 

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He’s only playing at all in the olayoffs if Al or KP is out, and he’s definitely not playing in the last 8-10 minutes of any playoff game, so I can’t imagine that matters too much.
The odds of Al and KP both making it through the playoffs without significant rest is…probably not great.
He'd play at the end of Q1/Q3 + the beginning of Q2/Q4 which nullifies Hack-a-Bricklayer

It works well on starters, not 3rd/4th string Centers
Can’t you do it beginning of quarters?

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Also he's 6'7, that's shorter even than Theis (6'8"), are we sure he's going to play as a big for us, and not a wing defender who's there to put some beef on guys like (say) Siakam and Tobias Harris?
 

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i think he’s this years Muscala.

play in the regular season when Al or KP is out, enjoy the view from the bench in the playoffs
Difference is, Muscala was unplayable on defense, therefore couldn't see playoff minutes. With Tillman, the issues are on offense. They can stick him in the dunker's spot, not pass him the ball a whole lot and avoid playing him at the end of quarters. He could still be useful in a scenario I've raised before: KP gets into early foul trouble and you need someone better than Queta who can creditably guard elite bigs for 10-15 min in a playoff game.
 

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I doubt he will get the degree of minutes or touches that will make the FT thing a real problem. How is his screening?
 

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I love the move. He's a great addition to the front court. Has played big minutes in the playoffs too.

I would also assume that, while not ever going to be a feature option offensively, his shooting numbers should improve (whether due to progressing to his career mean and/or playing with a very talented group of other offensive players). His TS% is only at .440 while his career is prior to this season was .585 (although, his horrific free throw percentage may or may not rebound-- his career average was 61% and he sits 44% this year).

Feels a little like the PJ Brown addition. Not as tall, but has an old man's game and is very tough without 40 years old. Great get.
 

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Also he's 6'7, that's shorter even than Theis (6'8"), are we sure he's going to play as a big for us, and not a wing defender who's there to put some beef on guys like (say) Siakam and Tobias Harris?
He plays much bigger than his height, defensively, 7’2 wingspan.

He can defend wings, but he’s at his best defending bigs.
 

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Also he's 6'7, that's shorter even than Theis (6'8"), are we sure he's going to play as a big for us, and not a wing defender who's there to put some beef on guys like (say) Siakam and Tobias Harris?
he's 100% NBA Beef

BUT he can take 5-6 minutes of body blows from Giannis over a long series
 

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Does he get legit minutes over any rotation guys?

Or just mainly depth/insurance?
My guess is he fills three potential matchup needs:

1) He provides the 'big body defensive minutes' we need vs Giannis/Jokic (and theoretically Embiid)
2) He is a quality defensive big who can switch, so he's a bit of Horford insurance against Clippers-like teams (and possibly some extra defensive minutes vs quality 4s in particular)
3) He provides some rebounding support when we struggle against bigger teams

Thus, I'd guess he takes Brisset/Kornet minutes against some teams and is more injury insurance against others. Figuring in some minutes when a rotation guy is out, I think that's 12 or so a game on average?
 

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he's 100% NBA Beef

BUT he can take 5-6 minutes of body blows from Giannis over a long series
The way they call Giannis, that means he’s likely to foul out. But at least he’ll have done so a hero.
 

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Difference is, Muscala was unplayable on defense, therefore couldn't see playoff minutes. With Tillman, the issues are on offense. They can stick him in the dunker's spot, not pass him the ball a whole lot and avoid playing him at the end of quarters. He could still be useful in a scenario I've raised before: KP gets into early foul trouble and you need someone better than Queta who can creditably guard elite bigs for 10-15 min in a playoff game.
They’d just play Al Horford against those elite bigs, and play four of the non bigs with him.

Queta isn’t seeing the floor in the playoffs either. He’s not even currently eligible to play.

Now it’s Tillman/Kornet as emergency playoff depth.