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Waking up to a Lakers loss is a beautiful thing. I went to bed assuming they were pulling that one out.
 

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Body cam footage has been released from the night Masai Ujiri viciously attacked a security guard unprovoked.......




I’m just kidding the piece of shit obviously lied:
 

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Body cam footage has been released from the night Masai Ujiri viciously attacked a security guard unprovoked.......




I’m just kidding the piece of shit obviously lied:
Police brutality meets frustrated Warriors fan is a genre I’m totally here for.
 

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I understand that you have to pay the Klutch Tax with guys like KCP, but wtf is Vogel thinking throwing him out there in crunch time?
Have you seen the rest of the roster? Losing Avery Bradley and Rondo was actually a big deal. He did put Caruso back in for the last couple of minutes.
 

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Stats-wise it was.
I mean, sure, if groupings of statistical thresholds are your thing. Of course, I’m as guilty of those as the next guy when I’m pimping my guys, but I’m a shameless homer, not a national TV announcer. And I’d hope wouldn’t call hitting a cherrypicked group of statistical thresholds a “historic effort,” especially not in a game my team lost.

Speaking of, one statistical threshhold I thought about when AD and LeBron bricked those four straight FTs to effectively hand Game 1 to the Blazers: from 2015-19, Curry hit **81 straight free throws** in the 4th quarter or OT of playoff games. Taste it, King.
 
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I mean, sure, if groupings of statistical thresholds are your thing. Of course, I’m as guilty of those as the next guy when I’m pimping my guys, but I’m a shameless homer, not a national TV announcer. And I’d hope wouldn’t call hitting a cherrypicked group of statistical thresholds a “historic effort,” especially not in a game my team lost.

Speaking of, one statistical threshhold I thought about when AD and LeBron bricked those four straight FTs to effectively hand Game 1 to the Blazers: from 2015-19, Curry hit **81 straight free throws** in the 4th quarter or OT of playoff games. Taste it, King.
Oh, I get it--but triple doubles are a thing in the NBA and being the first to go 20-15-15 or whatever it was is definitely noteworthy.
 

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LeBron called in the media a LOT earlier than usual. This tweet/article is almost unbelievable.

View: https://twitter.com/joevardon/status/1296108487878021121?s=21

“I didn’t realize how much of a factor no fans would be for LeBron. But watching his first Laker playoff game, in this setting, made me realize he has little if anything left to play for, for himself. He was playing for you, and you’re not there anymore”
 

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A big problem right now is that Laker fans, but their general band wagon nature, are much dumber than typical NBA fans, so the takes you are going to see tossed around if they go down badly in the bubble are going to be wild.
 

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Watching the TNT pregame show before Jazz-Nuggets with Ernie, Chuck and Kenny, they did a quick cut-in to the potential game-tying possession for the Nets, down three with 15 seconds to go...and listening to Chuck say "What the hell was that?" was my best laugh of the day.
Yesterday Shaq asked why Sabonis couldn’t play with plantar fasciitis and Ernie and Kenny were like, “not if it’s severe” and Chuck said “You can’t drive a car with that, foo!” and I busted out laughing.
 

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Chuck actually said “you can’t drive a car with a flat”, as an analogy to Sabonis’s bum foot. Then Shaq said actually yes you can, they’re called run-flats. Then Chuck said anyone who drives on a flat tire is a damn idiot. Meanwhile Kenny was exasperated and Ernie bemused. I missed the NBA.
 

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Utah and Denver both play very pleasing to watch basketball. Lots of ball movement, smart cuts and good shooting. Gobert is really engaged and has taken Jokic as a personal challenge. Fun to watch two true big guys slug it out.
 

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Utah and Denver both play very pleasing to watch basketball. Lots of ball movement, smart cuts and good shooting. Gobert is really engaged and has taken Jokic as a personal challenge. Fun to watch two true big guys slug it out.
I was watching the Bruins and switched to this during the intermission. I’m surprised to see that Utah is running away with it. Big win without Conley, not that he’s been playing great this year
 

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Michael Porter Jr. is the real deal. He’s so big and talented, it isn’t crazy to think that he might be the best player on Denver by this time next season.
 

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“I didn’t realize how much of a factor no fans would be for LeBron. But watching his first Laker playoff game, in this setting, made me realize he has little if anything left to play for, for himself. He was playing for you, and you’re not there anymore”
 

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Michael Porter Jr. is the real deal. He’s so big and talented, it isn’t crazy to think that he might be the best player on Denver by this time next season.
As he slid down the draft boards I found myself cursing Boston for not giving themselves the option of taking the Laker pick no matter where it fell because a Tatum/Porter/Brown trio on the wing would leave Boston dominating the NBA for a decade.

That was one of the cruelest dick moves I can recall in sports and I absolutely loved it.
You misspelled most fucking awesome.
 

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As he slid down the draft boards I found myself cursing Boston for not giving themselves the option of taking the Laker pick no matter where it fell because a Tatum/Porter/Brown trio on the wing would leave Boston dominating the NBA for a decade.



You misspelled most fucking awesome.
Yeah, he has an enormous way to go on the defensive end, but his ceiling on offense feels like "Tatum with a few more inches".
 

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Yeah, I loved him in high school and I was tearing my hair out as he kept floating on draft night. I like to tell myself that in an alternate universe Danny never made the Kyrie trade and Boston ended up trading down with Charlotte to pick up an extra future first and grabbed MPJ.
 

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Yeah, I loved him in high school and I was tearing my hair out as he kept floating on draft night. I like to tell myself that in an alternate universe Danny never made the Kyrie trade and Boston ended up trading down with Charlotte to pick up an extra future first and grabbed MPJ.
For a kid his age/experience, he’s already so good at moving without the ball, both run off screens like Rip Hamilton and cutting to the basket, which, with his height, makes a perfect target for Jokic operating out of the post. With his beautiful jump shot and a pull up already in his bag, health is the only thing holding him back from flirting with being a 30 per game guy.

Defensively, he’s lost, and with his high center of gravity I think he’ll always struggle laterally. If his back holds up, Nuggets will be a fun team with him, Jokic and Murray.
 

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It's been said before in this thread, but I don't think people really get how wide-open the league is this year. We kept expecting the top few teams to stand out like the superteams of the past few years, and they just don't. Everyone good has significant flaws, and I'm loving how thin the edges are.
 

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Doncic is incredible. But he doesn't get enough criticism for complaining about calls/non-calls. At least not compared to the other NBA superstars.

Most points in NBA history in first 2 postseason games with 70. Old record was 69 (sweet!) by Kareem.
 

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Did anyone this Ethan Strauss piece in The Athletic the other day?
https://theathletic.co.uk/1997343/2020/08/17/strauss-why-the-nba-has-a-serious-viewership-problem-it-needs-to-fix/Or for non-subscribers, just Google "NBA television ratings down"...I mean, the Memphis-Portland play-in game might have been a great concept, but how the Wyndham golf on Sunday hammered it in the ratings is pretty puzzling, isn't it?
For a variety of reasons, I’m pretty bearish on the TV financial prospects of live sports going forward. I think that leagues got used to an amount of money that may no longer exist there.
 

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Did anyone this Ethan Strauss piece in The Athletic the other day?
https://theathletic.co.uk/1997343/2020/08/17/strauss-why-the-nba-has-a-serious-viewership-problem-it-needs-to-fix/Or for non-subscribers, just Google "NBA television ratings down"...I mean, the Memphis-Portland play-in game might have been a great concept, but how the Wyndham golf on Sunday hammered it in the ratings is pretty puzzling, isn't it?
For a deep dive into the NBA's ratings, here's a Variety article on the subject: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/trump-nba-ratings-kneeling-covid-1234735157/.

My guess is that the NBA ratings are down because there is so much parity - there's no team that attracts everyone to watch. Good for those of us who like basketball; bad for those people who like storylines.
 

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For a deep dive into the NBA's ratings, here's a Variety article on the subject: https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/trump-nba-ratings-kneeling-covid-1234735157/.

My guess is that the NBA ratings are down because there is so much parity - there's no team that attracts everyone to watch. Good for those of us who like basketball; bad for those people who like storylines.
I thought this might be the case too, but the numbers Strauss cites aren’t good for the parity explanation. This has been building for years.

I love the product, but I couldn’t give two shits if revenues tank and everyone involved makes half as much money.
 

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If I had to guess where it all ends wrt ratings and covid, we probably see a sharply downward cap decrease along with some kind of luxury tax adjustment or moratorium.
 

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Miami is a problem. They're going to give Milwaukee all it can handle. Iggy has made them better.
 

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I love the product, but I couldn’t give two shits if revenues tank and everyone involved makes half as much money.
Yeah, this is kind of where I'm at. It might be a "serious problem," but for who? Not really the fans - even if the NBA lost half its viewership it would be getting roughly the viewership of the NHL, and that league is doing more or less fine (in the sense that no one is talking about the league collapsing or anything like that and all the major games are still broadcast on major networks).

To the extent it hurts the owners I couldn't care less. And if player salaries go down, ultimately we're talking about guys who might be making $20 million a year instead of $30 million, or $1 million instead of $2 million, or $350k instead of $650k or whatever. In the grand scheme of things that's not very high on my list of concerns.

As for the reasons for the drop in viewership, it seems pretty obvious to me that it's simply that the NBA skews toward younger viewers and younger viewers don't watch as much live sports anymore. That's why golf is beating the NBA - because, essentially, it's mostly older people watching TV now and older people prefer golf to the NBA. The Super Bowl's 18-49 viewership numbers drop every year and are at a 25-year low. The reason the NFL and MLB aren't seeing quite as dramatic drops is because they have more older viewers that still watch TV. As those older cohorts die off and fewer people in general watch TV I strongly suspect MLB and even eventually the NFL will encounter the same issues.
 

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Miami is a problem. They're going to give Milwaukee all it can handle. Iggy has made them better.
They're a problem for the Pacers, but I'd much rather face them than the Bucks in the conference finals. My main thought watching them is that I'm VERY happy that Butler left Philly. He was the key to their championship aspirations, in their current form at least.
 

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They're a problem for the Pacers, but I'd much rather face them than the Bucks in the conference finals. My main thought watching them is that I'm VERY happy that Butler left Philly. He was the key to their championship aspirations, in their current form at least.
I agree with this. Miami is the type of team that can take down a better team because they are deep, filled with max effort guys and well coached. But if you are of the mind that teams with superior talent should win the playoffs, there is no way Miami should be expected to beat Boston, Milwaukee or Toronto. Miami taking any of those teams the distance would not be a surprise, however.
 

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I agree with this. Miami is the type of team that can take down a better team because they are deep, filled with max effort guys and well coached. But if you are of the mind that teams with superior talent should win the playoffs, there is no way Miami should be expected to beat Boston, Milwaukee or Toronto. Miami taking any of those teams the distance would not be a surprise, however.
I mostly agree wrt Boston and Toronto. I think Milwaukee could be really vulnerable to this version of Miami if they don’t get things together. I also think that Nurse and Stevens are much better coaches than Bud and would adjust to Miami’s junk stuff better.
 

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The Bucks are middle of the pack in 3pt defense, and are designed to yield decent looks from three to maintain their dominance in the paint. It can be a bit of an equalizer for the talent disparity if a team with a bunch of good shooters gets hot in a short series. And while Giannis is going to be the best player in most series, it's not so cut-and-dried 2 through 10. Basically if you can pressure their shooters and make them put the ball on the floor, while hitting your own open looks, you can beat them.
 

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I mostly agree wrt Boston and Toronto. I think Milwaukee could be really vulnerable to this version of Miami if they don’t get things together. I also think that Nurse and Stevens are much better coaches than Bud and would adjust to Miami’s junk stuff better.
Note I didn't say Miami cannot beat those teams. It should simply not be the base case. As has been noted almost continuously over the past few weeks, with no travel and real home court, these playoffs feel more wide open than usual. A veteran, hard-nosed, well run team like the Heat can absolutely grift and grind their way out of the East. But it will entail them neutralizing the likes of a Giannis or Tatum for a whole series. I simply don't like their odds in that scenario.

I am also not sure that Nurse and/or Stevens are are much better than Budenholzer - I would argue they are all in the same zip code in terms of coaching ability. Without being able to evaluate how they manage their day to day, its impossible for me to say whom I would prefer.
 

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Westbrook is on Houston’s bench wearing a Number or the Beast shirt. Hell yeah.
 

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Upon further showings I believe it is actually Holy Smoke, not Number of the Beast.

Houston shoots nearly 60 three pointers and look like the much better team despite an admirable performance from SGA.
 

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In a trade that sent Howard to LA, Bynum to Philly and Vucevic to Orlando, Vucevic being the best player in that trade by an enormous margin was something that was not anticipated at the time.
 

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Upon further showings I believe it is actually Holy Smoke, not Number of the Beast.

Houston shoots nearly 60 three pointers and look like the much better team despite an admirable performance from SGA.
Donovan removing Lu Dort down the stretch after he was clamps on Harden was kind of puzzling. I get that Dort is not a scorer but, truth be told, the Thunder don't have many others who are efficient bucket-getters. I would think you'd trade offense for anyone who could even slow Harden.
 

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The Magic are having one of the worst shooting performances I’ve ever seen. 4/33 fg and 1/14 from 3
 

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I know you guys aren’t fans of the individual +/- stat, but Chris Paul somehow having a -36 in 37 minutes of a 13 point loss is noteworthy. Can someone who watched explain?