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This wasn't really a cool play per se but something I've never seen before. I was at the Pawsox game yesterday against Gwinnett and they have a pitcher, Ben Rowen, a journeyman 30 yr. old righty. He came in the game with a submarine style delivery. My son was asking why he threw like that so I explained that for some pitchers it's just what's comfortable and most effective. Well, the next pitch, he proceeds to throw completely over the top.
For 2 innings, he was damn close to 50 / 50 submarine and over-the-top in his pitches. I've never seen a pitcher switch up so dramatically pitch to pitch.
 

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This wasn't really a cool play per se but something I've never seen before. I was at the Pawsox game yesterday against Gwinnett and they have a pitcher, Ben Rowen, a journeyman 30 yr. old righty. He came in the game with a submarine style delivery. My son was asking why he threw like that so I explained that for some pitchers it's just what's comfortable and most effective. Well, the next pitch, he proceeds to throw completely over the top.
For 2 innings, he was damn close to 50 / 50 submarine and over-the-top in his pitches. I've never seen a pitcher switch up so dramatically pitch to pitch.
That's awesome. I did that in little league. I pitched because I was one of the better players and there was always the assumption that we could pitch (one game at SS, one game a P). But I didn't throw very hard so I needed a gimmick and that was mine--submarine to over the top, to sidearm in the span of 3 pitches.
 

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This wasn't really a cool play per se but something I've never seen before. I was at the Pawsox game yesterday against Gwinnett and they have a pitcher, Ben Rowen, a journeyman 30 yr. old righty. He came in the game with a submarine style delivery. My son was asking why he threw like that so I explained that for some pitchers it's just what's comfortable and most effective. Well, the next pitch, he proceeds to throw completely over the top.
For 2 innings, he was damn close to 50 / 50 submarine and over-the-top in his pitches. I've never seen a pitcher switch up so dramatically pitch to pitch.
Was it based on handedness, or within the same batter?

Edit: I found a few videos of him in the majors in 2014, and every delivery was submarine. I wonder if he's trying it out recently.
 

steveluck7

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Was it based on handedness, or within the same batter?
Same batter, pitch to pitch. I didn't get a shot to really scout it as I was down the RF line a bit and there were 9 of us (5 kids) so i couldn't really analyze it.
I would have liked to compare velocity and movement from the 2 slots. I can't imagine he only throws certain pitches from one slot vs. the other as that would be the ultimate in pitch-tipping.
 

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Astros / Mariners tonight. Runners on 1st and 3rd for Houston with 1 out. Ground ball to shortstop who instead of going for an inning ending double play, throws the ball towards home. Might have had the lead runner out easily, but the catcher was running to cover the throw to 1st base, so the ball ended up bouncing off the backstop. Run scores, everyone is safe.
No error, just a routine(?) fielder's choice.
 

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Astros / Mariners tonight. Runners on 1st and 3rd for Houston with 1 out. Ground ball to shortstop who instead of going for an inning ending double play, throws the ball towards home. Might have had the lead runner out easily, but the catcher was running to cover the throw to 1st base, so the ball ended up bouncing off the backstop. Run scores, everyone is safe.
No error, just a routine(?) fielder's choice.


I’m going to say that’s the catchers f-up.
SS isn’t going to be able to turn the double play going in and to his right. So the run is scoring if he doesn’t come home. Close and late you want to stop that run.
Perfect throw for the tag so he has the runner easy. Then it’s runners 1 and 2 with two out rather than a run in, runner on first and 2 out if he goes to 2b for the force out there.
 

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I’m going to say that’s the catchers f-up.
SS isn’t going to be able to turn the double play going in and to his right. So the run is scoring if he doesn’t come home. Close and late you want to stop that run.
Perfect throw for the tag so he has the runner easy. Then it’s runners 1 and 2 with two out rather than a run in, runner on first and 2 out if he goes to 2b for the force out there.
Agreed that this one is on the catcher. Not sure that even if the play is definitely going to second then first for the DP attempt that the catcher should be abandoning the plate in that situation.
 

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Those two runners were only on because Mallex Smith misplayed two balls that inning. The Mariners are an absolute tire fire defensively, like few teams I can remember. It seems like every Mariners game highlight I see has someone making a disasterous misplay.
 

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I think Bob Wickman did that once (although he didn't actually announce it). I know he was well known for letting guys steal the base if they weren't the tying run.

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AB in DC

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I don't think I've ever seen one like this before.

 

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And another crazy ball spin one

We used to see some spin on MLB hits, but I'm thinking the new balls are creating a lot higher spin rate, which is leading to the increased K's and HR's and a few more of these crazy hits
 

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OK, rules people. Let's assume one of the Cubs missed third and the umps realized it. Once the throw to third went wild that put the ball in play and nullifies the ability to appeal similar to if they had thrown a pitch and then tried to appeal?
 

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OK, rules people. Let's assume one of the Cubs missed third and the umps realized it. Once the throw to third went wild that put the ball in play and nullifies the ability to appeal similar to if they had thrown a pitch and then tried to appeal?
They can't appeal after a pitch has been thrown. So it was nullified either way.
 

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I think the umps did eventually grant the appeal once the 3B retrieved the ball, at least according to one of the replays.

The runner was safe, but what if they called out? Obviously that run gets taken off the board, but since that would have been the third out, does the run scoring on the wild throw also get taken off?
 

DrewDawg

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I think the umps did eventually grant the appeal once the 3B retrieved the ball, at least according to one of the replays.

The runner was safe, but what if they called out? Obviously that run gets taken off the board, but since that would have been the third out, does the run scoring on the wild throw also get taken off?
Coming back to this. I am pretty sure the run counts. The appeal play is not considered a force out, so it's all about the timing.

 

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Coming back to this. I am pretty sure the run counts. The appeal play is not considered a force out, so it's all about the timing.

Interesting, but wouldn't this fit into the "preceding runner" exception? If first runner never officially scored, then the following runner can't score a run, either.
 

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Not an unusual play but a question for the group. Was, for some odd reason, watching Clemens' first 20k game, and with two out in the 9th, he broke the previous record of 19 strikeouts. Upon doing so, the TV screen flashed that he broke the single game strikeout record.

Ok, so here's the question. Let's say that he broke the record as it happened. Then he gave up a two-run home run two batters later and the game went into extra innings. Say then he pitched the 10th and the Sox won 4-3 in 10 innings. The game would NOT have been a 9-inning game then. But Clemens would still have struck out more batters in 9 innings than anyone else. But would the record have stood?