Trade Deadline 2023 General Thread
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That would be interesting, the one that would be even better is if they sent Kumar Rocker, who has now had his TJS (two months in), back.
This is just the very start of their window though. They graduated the #1 prospect in baseball (FV 65 on fangraphs) this year, have the current #1 prospect in baseball (FV 60) with an ETA of 2024, and are in the right half of farm rankings. Granted the AL East is absolutely stacked with 3 teams in the top 10 per fangraphs, so no team has a clear path for victory. Baltimore should absolutely be contending for years barring some very unlikely outcomes.
Yeah, I haven't looked at it super closely, but I'm pretty sure that if you let MLB GMs select right now from the 30 current organizations personnel-wise, MLB and minors combined, ATL would be consensus 1st but BAL would be 2nd. An endless flow of stud position players and a pitching factory that keeps turning career mediocrities into solid contributors It seems pretty clear now that Bloom is doing a pretty good job but Elias got hired one year earlier and has been on fire ever since. There are bigger windows in submarines than there are in the AL East these days.
Rangers really need pitching right now. Their offense can't carry them anymore.
Jeez, remember how the Rangers bought an entire rotation in FA this off-season and they still felt compelled to trade for Scherzer?
I'm somewhat amazed that the Mets are actually selling. If people want to see a team either without a plan or with a bad one, look in Queens.
They are getting assets for guys who cost nothing but money, which they can redeploy in the off-season. Disappointing season, but these moves make sense.
Supposedly, the Rangers are in SF to scout Paxton and the Phillies are there to scout Duvall. Can’t see either of them being moved.
I think these moves make more sense than the original signings. You're right though, maybe that is a plan. Spend huge, sell off if it isn't working, and then spend huge again next off-season. I guess it's just not one that I particularly like.
Clearly what they have done in the recent past doesn't look good.
But as far as the here and now, seems to me selling what they can is clearly a more logical plan moving forward than staying put.
Was a but surprised they wanted Rookie Ball lotto tickets for Robertson rather than prospects a little closer to the majors.
It really depends on the price. If they make an offer sweet enough, like, if the Rangers offer up Luisangel Acuna and the Phillies will send us Justin Crawford, I take those trades and roll the dice or even make a small, lesser addition to partially offset. Everything has a price.
I feel differently. The fact that the Mets are selling right now is a sign that the ownership is doing a better job than they have in the past. 3 years ago they would have done nothing and tried to improve with another shitty FA signing.
But do you have any doubt that they're going to do that again in the off-season?
I guess the difference is that they'll do that with a few more lottery tickets in their system, which is something.
I mean, Cohen went and purchased the best available players and it didn't work out, now they are getting as much value as they can for what they have (so far). They'll have to learn the lesson that the Yankees learned and forgot then learned again about buying wins, but the Mets plan, from my perspective, to pay out the nose for free agents while building up the farm is a good one. Particularly when money doesn't matter to the owner.
The Mets actually have a pretty decent young crop of hitters perculating in the low minors. Kevin Parada, Jett Williams, Alex Ramirez, Jacob Reimer, Jesus Baez, Marco Vargas, Colin Houck...that's some tasty up the middle talents along with a few potential power bats. Do not sleep on the Mets. They are showing some real ability to identify and develop hitters.
The Mets are trying to build a system and hold onto their kids for longer-term success, but at the same time Cohen is spending insane shitloads of money to try to compete now. Converting some of these FA signings to prospects in a year speeds that along a bit (as multiple people also posted while I was fine-tuning this, heh).
Also in these deals (we will see with Scherzer), he doesn't mind taking most or all of the salary hit in order to get better prospects.
Also in these deals (we will see with Scherzer), he doesn't mind taking most or all of the salary hit in order to get better prospects.
Jarrett Seidler is a Mets fan and a BP prospect analyst so a great go-to on anything like this:
View: https://twitter.com/jaseidler/status/1685422559641153536
View: https://twitter.com/jaseidler/status/1685422559641153536
You guys are likely right. I guess I'm programmed to look at the Mets with skepticism. But maybe this will work for them.
If I'm the Rangers and I'm dealing Luisangel Acuna, I'm looking at Dylan Cease, not Max Scherzer.
Actually this is a good strategy for the Mets PR and their particular situation. Win the offseason headlines with statement moves in the FA period, then pay a half year's salary and abort mission to get young assets if it doesn't work. Any big market team that does this year-to-year cycle is bound to win a title within 5-10 years with whatever current crop of FAs and/or the young players they get via trade.
I would be surprised ifthe Mete weren't pitching in $. That moght not matter to Cohen but it would matter to other owners who might try this.
Scherzer and $22.5 million to Rangers for Acuna. Full trade.
View: https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1685449191844171776?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
View: https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1685449191844171776?s=46&t=IVL2VrlFgLlpc3mjGGto8Q
So Mets are paying a Moncada-like 30m+ in money for this prospect. I assume Scherzer guaranteed his 2024.
Jeez. Considering the Mets are in the highest bracket, they are paying a shitload of money for Acuna. I know Cohen doesn't care, but what is it, $86m they pay to not have Scherzer on the team next year?
Was just writing something similar, this seems borderline bannable by Manfred.
Prorated 43.33M (3 year, 130M contract evenly spaced) for this year, assuming about 1/3 of the season left by time, 43.33M next year
So Scherzer is roughly owed 57-58M (43.33 * 4/3), Mets pay it down to 22.5M. I guess actually about 35M from Mets is the result.
Mets are smart to get out of that Scherzer deal for next year. 4.73 FIP. He’s 38. Maybe the rangers can get something out of him, but who knows.
Yes, but it still hits their AAV, so...some more math.
A club that exceeds the Competitive Balance Tax threshold is subject to an increasing tax rate depending on how many consecutive years it has done so.
First year: 20 percent tax on all overages
Second consecutive year: 30 percent
Third consecutive year or more: 50 percent
If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.
There’s also a surcharge threshold for clubs that exceed the base threshold by $20 million or more.
$20 million to $40 million: 12 percent surcharge
$40 million to $60 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
$60 million or more: 60 percent surcharge
If I am reading this correctly, there is a 60% surcharge and 50% premium on top of that for the Mets. So, they are at 90% surcharge. Whatever the prorated number is +90%.
Fair point, usually a new owner is good for several years of irresponsible spending in the interest of an immediate championship before reality sets in. See Ballmer, Steve.
Interestingly, for the last Red Sox ownership change it was the front office (Theo) trying to reason with the triumverate to create a development machine after the championship rather than rolling along with spending other people's money as most GMs are happy to do.
The ESPN article is like, “and the potential for him to opt out of the final year of his contract following this season.” I know the money being tossed around in FA is insane, but is there any chance Scherzer opts out of a 1-year $43.3M deal?
Was wondering about this. On the other hand, these are the types of deals that could become more common with this humongous contracts
View: https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1685451238572204033
Mets already angling for Ronald in '29 free agency.
Mets already angling for Ronald in '29 free agency.
Rangers are at about $180M for next year for just Scherzer, deGrom, Gray, Seager, Semien, Eovaldi, and Heaney.
DeGrom Scherzer Eovaldi is pretty good 1-2-3 in the playoffs if healthy and they can certainly score
Probably around $25M less factoring in the money coming from the Mets with Scherzer.