Trade Deadline 2023 General Thread
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8.57 ERA, -2 bWAR. But, 5.40 ERA as a reliever with 18 BB and 37 K in 31+ innings.
13.00 ERA in April, 10.50 in May, 3.97 in June, 2.25 in July.
Interesting move. Led the A’s in wins!
13.00 ERA in April, 10.50 in May, 3.97 in June, 2.25 in July.
Interesting move. Led the A’s in wins!
Did we ever learn what Oakland got for Fujinami? These early moves should help us get a read on the market.
mlbtr citing twitter: The Braves have acquired right-hander Pierce Johnson from the Rockies, according to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com (Twitter links). The Braves are sending pitching prospects Victor Vodnik and Tanner Gordon to the Rockies.
Braves get pitcher Taylor Hearn from Rangers
View: https://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/1683507388131983360
View: https://twitter.com/mlbbowman/status/1683507388131983360
I'm assuming that the Braves figure neither prospect will make it to the show... but still a weird trade. Pierce is making 5 mill, but even on the road the stats aren't so great. Maybe they want to take a shot at fixing him?
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While the White Sox and #Rays have exchanged names on veteran starter Lance Lynn, the Los Angeles #Dodgers have not given up their pursuit of Lynn, while also showing interest in White Sox teammate Lucas Giolito.
While the White Sox and #Rays have exchanged names on veteran starter Lance Lynn, the Los Angeles #Dodgers have not given up their pursuit of Lynn, while also showing interest in White Sox teammate Lucas Giolito.
If there are teams fighting over Lance Lynn and his shitty pitching, James Paxton could bring in a bounty of riches.
That's a very open-ended statement that can be taken two completely different ways. I like it.
With what we got for Kike (more than I expected), I'd love to know what Paxton would return.
I guess it took a day for the Dodgers to become as uncomfortable of the idea of Kike as their SS as most here had become.
That's disappointing. Rosario isn't worth much and Cleveland needs someone to eat some innings with all their injuries and 3 rookies in the rotation, but I was hoping for a return that could possibly have a future.
Rosario has been just as bad. -8.4 defensive war to -8.3 for Kike. Next worse guy is -4.1.
I honestly can't blame them. If he leaves, the fanbase will learn to live with that, and ultimately blame him. But if the Angels trade him, it would be like the Mookie situation times a million, and they'll never forgive the ownership.
GM will get canned if he trades him, which will ensure they miss the playoffs. So, he’s taking the long shot at making the playoffs to save his own job. Won’t work, but hard to blame him.
They won't blame him if he signs elsewhere; they'll blame ownership for not getting it done. Red Sox fans blame ownership for not being able to sign Mookie.
He's going to the Dodgers. If the Angels offer a similar deal and he still goes there, I think the Angels fans will be as angry with him as they will be with the ownership.
(As to the Mookie situation, obviously not all of us do. But heaven forbid we relitigate that in yet another thread.)
Edgar Quero is #65 on MLB’s midseason prospect list and #61 on Fangraphs (50 FV). Bush is a 40 FV having a bad year.
That’s roughly the equivalent of Nick Yorke and ummm Bryan Mata(?) for two months of Giolito. For a team with a 14.5% chance at the playoffs.
That’s roughly the equivalent of Nick Yorke and ummm Bryan Mata(?) for two months of Giolito. For a team with a 14.5% chance at the playoffs.
Chaim would have to be pretty bold at this point to sell a major piece, unless the Sox bomb out the remaining four games before the deadline. (For the record I'd still totally do it, just like the Orioles did with Jorge Lopez last year who's now a Marlin today!)
One note is that Logan O'Hoppe, catcher (only return of the Marsh trade for the Phillies last deadline, blocked by Realmuto) looked pretty good in the majors before a major injury, so Quero was at least partially blocked.
Paxton for two top 100 prospects, flip both plus Yorke and Bleis for Cease, get Cease signed up to 7/$140m (inc two arb years). It wouldn’t be a buy or a sell and the move fits our window.
Yes, but Lopez stinks and had a good first half at the right time for the Orioles. They got some value from someone who really wasn't going to help them. It was more like the Vazquez trade than trading Paxton, the team's best pitcher now and likely best pitcher for the rest of the season.
I don't think that the Sox/Angels trade is that bad. If you think that Quero is a going to be your catcher of the future, he's currently blocked at the Major Leagues by the catcher of the future O'Hoppe. So unless you think that he's a good candidate for permanant DH, then I'm not sure where you'd put him. Plus you have someone who is a really good DH that you're trying like hell to sign to a mega contract. I'm not an expert on the Angels' system by Ky Bush doesn't seem to be anything special either. But the players themselves aren't really the issue, right? It's like why are you throwing more resources behind a team that's probably not that good and probably won't make the playoffs? And to answer that I think that this is a move made with the idea of trying to convince Ohtani that they are doing everything that they can to be good. The Angels haven't made the postseason in 10 seasons and I don't think have been particularly close either despite having Mike Trout, Albert Pujols, Ohtani, etc. on the roster at certain times. I think that when you get even a sliver of an opportunity like Los Angeles has, you have to take it.
The Angels' system also isn't very good, so I'm not sure the White Sox chose now to trade maybe the best pitcher on the market (dependent on whether Paxton is available, though the way the Red Sox have played I doubt very much that he is) when there could've been a nice bidding war going into the last week of July.
And I don't think that Arte Moreno is a good guy or a particularly good owner, but I do like that he went for it. I wish that more owners would go against their brains for making money and just say fuck it and see what happens.
The Angels' system also isn't very good, so I'm not sure the White Sox chose now to trade maybe the best pitcher on the market (dependent on whether Paxton is available, though the way the Red Sox have played I doubt very much that he is) when there could've been a nice bidding war going into the last week of July.
And I don't think that Arte Moreno is a good guy or a particularly good owner, but I do like that he went for it. I wish that more owners would go against their brains for making money and just say fuck it and see what happens.
We discussed it a bit here, I think whatever the return is for Ohtani would have been underwhelming because how could it not be? So why not take the chance and go for it and see if it convinces him to stay? The Angels know pretty well how frequently "can't miss" prospects do, in fact, miss, and no team is going to touch their actual current MLB squad if they're in contention. So, basically, I'm not rushing to dump on them over this, even if it doesn't work (it probably won't).
I also suspect they view Giolitto as the guy they sign if Ohtani walks. He's a local kid so that helps too. Basically either pay Ohtani 45 per or Gilitto/premium bat about that same amount.
Too early to dump on Adell. But we can discuss Brandon Wood and Dallas McPerson.
I think it’s also a bit of a conundrum for them - do you try again to put together a strong contender while Trout is still relatively young before he really starts breaking down? Or do you embark on a years-long Astros/Cubs rebuild project, knowing that even if it bears fruit, Trout is Current Joey Votto at best in that scenario? I don’t know that it’s an obvious answer.
If this doesn't work out and Ohtani leaves, it's time to trade Trout while you still can.
I . . . had not thought of that! Yeah, there'd probably be some teams interested, I'd imagine. Mets and Phillies, for two.
Trout has a full no-trade clause and has 7/248M left after this season. That probably limits where he could end up and what the Angels could really get back for him.