Trade Deadline 2023 General Thread
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I starting to believe that while Verlander could be dealt, and the Astros seem to be the "insiders" favorite landing spot, this could be a dud of a trade deadline* from here on out.
Teams such as the Cubs and Padres are playing well lately and the Cubs, in particular, have reasons to believe they have a legit shot at the playoffs.
Elsewhere, the truly bad teams -- Royals, A's, Nationals, Rockies -- have little to offer as legitimate chips, and the White Sox might have emptied out as much as they care to already. Unless the Cardinals, Tigers and Pirates start moving pieces, it's possible we're only going to see a few secondary type deals from here on out.
*Of course this is a reverse psychology ploy. I want chaos
Teams such as the Cubs and Padres are playing well lately and the Cubs, in particular, have reasons to believe they have a legit shot at the playoffs.
Elsewhere, the truly bad teams -- Royals, A's, Nationals, Rockies -- have little to offer as legitimate chips, and the White Sox might have emptied out as much as they care to already. Unless the Cardinals, Tigers and Pirates start moving pieces, it's possible we're only going to see a few secondary type deals from here on out.
*Of course this is a reverse psychology ploy. I want chaos
Bellinger reportedly off the market
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38101236/sources-cubs-tell-teams-cody-bellinger-traded
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38101236/sources-cubs-tell-teams-cody-bellinger-traded
Isn't that a false equivalency? The No. 11 prospect in one system isn't necessarily the No. 11 in another team's system.
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Roby was just put in the top 100 on Fangraphs mid season update. MLB will update their rankings in 2 weeks. MLB’s current team rankings are old.
Absolutely correct. For some context, the same people, mlb.com had TEX system ranked 7th and BOS 16th in March. Can’t find their mid season update, but I assume it’s a little closer.
I think it’s close enough at least to have the short conversation of whether or not we’d be willing to pay that price. My first, gut reaction is no thanks.
Just looked up Hicks’ numbers and just… wow? I knew he was a little wild/bit of a high wire act, but not to the tune 1.51 WHIP on the season (also has a K/9 of near 12 and has only allowed 2 HRs on the season).
By FG's reckoning, Texas still has another five Top 100 prospects, too. They might not even be done, Justin Foscue is still theoretically blocked.
The Braves are about to show the Angels what a true WS contender is like and none of these additions will matter.
Whew, I was sure Cashman was going to trade for Grichuk, yet another terrible corner OF defender who can’t hit righties.
There is a funny Red Sox connection there actually, bear with me…
King was actually in the original Joey Gallo to NY trade at the 2021 deadline, NY was going to send six prospects instead of the four they did send. But NY didn’t like his medicals, so they pulled two of the prospects, actually Randy Vasquez and Everson Pereira (whew!).
But then somehow NY got TEX to add a reliever anyway, but without changing the prospect haul, so now it was four NY prospects for a season and a half of Gallo and two months of a warm body reliever named…
Joely Rodriguez.
That's a fair characterization of his career I guess (.742 OPS against RHP), but not a fair characterization of this year. He has a .288/.343/.431 slash line against righties this season, and while he's unsurprisingly been much better at Coors (,345/.398/.566) he has at least been adequate on the road (.282/.338/.444). And he is mashing lefties this year. Agree that he's a poor defender though, and understandable that you wouldn't want to give up anything of value for him at this point.
Yeah, maybe I was confusing him a bit with someone else, but definitely do/did not want him, especially since they need someone for the big NY LF.
Just cross-posting for eyeballs purposes
Report: Red Sox listening on Verdugo
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/as-trade-deadline-approaches-red-sox-listening-on-alex-verdugo-sources.html
Report: Red Sox listening on Verdugo
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/07/as-trade-deadline-approaches-red-sox-listening-on-alex-verdugo-sources.html
If you break that down to against RHP not in Coors (which is what most of his ABs for NY would be), I bet it's a lot worse, but also this terrible team does not need to waste any prospect capital on rentals.
It's probably closer to Meidroth, Drohan and something else better than the Rangers 3rd guy, maybe Zack Kelly. The Sox don't really have an advanced enough starting pitcher with Roby's ceiling yet. Though Roby is having/had shoulder issues, so that may have lowered the price.
Trade Simulator had it in the ballpark - Montgomery 7.4, and Stratton 1 for Roby 4.7, Saggese 2.4 and King .1
Drohan 3.9, Meidroth 2.1, and Kelly 1.1 is about the same value.
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Hicks had a horrendous start to the season, but apparently sorted things out, including an adjustment to where he stands on the rubber. Since the start of May opponents are .565 OPS against him. 2.39 FIP same period. Granted he still walks more guys than you'd like, but he's got the stuff to bail himself out.
https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/mlb-rumors-trade-deadline-news-updates/Cxs2TSZ0o4pd/h5qMs7Nx6fsm/
Amused by this line.
“There are 50-plus games left, and with this division, we could get hot and teams could get cold,” said struggling first baseman Anthony Rizzo, who struck out five times.
Amused by this line.
“There are 50-plus games left, and with this division, we could get hot and teams could get cold,” said struggling first baseman Anthony Rizzo, who struck out five times.
Amusing, but he's right. Rays' own 5th worst wRC+ in MLB last 30 days, behind KC and OAK, so there's plenty of blood in the AL East water. Nobody should be tanking.
TBF, he could have delivered the Gettysburg Address and I'd have a giggle if he punctuated it with 5 Ks.
Agree. Also amusing is the etymology of such feats: I was familiar with Platinum Sombrero, but like Olympic Rings far more. And LOVE the close-to-home term for 6!
wiki:
The "Olympic Rings" or platinum sombrero applies to a player striking out five times in a game. A horn refers to a player striking out six times in a game; the term was coined by pitcher Mike Flanagan after teammate Sam Horn of the Baltimore Orioles accomplished the feat in an extra-inning game in 1991. Alternate names for this accomplishment are titanium sombrero or double platinum sombrero.
I think the last time he put a ball in play was four scores and seven pitchers ago.
I didn’t realize Verlander has a $35 million vesting option for 2025 if he pitches 140 innings in 2024.
I assumed the Civale rumors were all coming from other teams... not sure how I feel about this. They definitely appear to be bailing on 2023 while they're only a 1/2 game out of first place, but this is not a good team that would get anywhere in the playoffs. I'd feel a lot better about it if Manzardo's supposed biggest strength (hit tool) didn't look like his biggest weakness this year... and if I had any idea where the hell all innings are going to come from for Cleveland the rest of this season. Presumably, they feel positive about Cal Quantrill rejoining the team soon, but as of now it's Syndergaard coming off the IL and three rookies who need their innings kept in check.
I don't have time at the moment to see how the numbers support this, but it seems Civale has been good (and efficient) enough to go deep into games, but in the past he was someone you wanted to get out of there after two trips through the lineup... which fits the Rays philosophy.
Maybe Manzardo needs another year of seasoning anyway, but I wonder how motivated they are to move Josh Bell, at least in the off-season. He has a player's option that he's certainly going to pick up unless he has a hell of a last two months to his season.
I don't have time at the moment to see how the numbers support this, but it seems Civale has been good (and efficient) enough to go deep into games, but in the past he was someone you wanted to get out of there after two trips through the lineup... which fits the Rays philosophy.
Maybe Manzardo needs another year of seasoning anyway, but I wonder how motivated they are to move Josh Bell, at least in the off-season. He has a player's option that he's certainly going to pick up unless he has a hell of a last two months to his season.
Aggressive move from the Rays. They filled a massive need and got someone with a couple years of control remaining, so hard to argue with it. Maybe they weren’t liking what they saw with Manzardo’s struggles at AAA? Hopefully Civale stays healthy.
View: https://twitter.com/willsammon/status/1686134459177775104?s=46&t=Tl7uNH0-pxEyJtNj1BktDA
Brewers getting Mark Canha from the Mets.
Brewers getting Mark Canha from the Mets.
No one is trading for Soto, the Padres just swept TEX over the weekend and have shown zero signs in the past year-plus that they plan to do anything but continue to aggressively go after any and all superstars that they can.
How'd you even know what I was talking about? I said it so quietly!
In seriousness, I tend to agree with you about the Padres, but - and someone can correct me if I'm wrong - their TV deal just blew up and so now they won't be getting the money they were expecting back when they signed some of those deals. So trading Soto (and Hader, Snell, Lugo, et al) might be their best chance at retooling the roster since Manny M., Xander, Tatis, Darvish probably aren't going anywhere. I agree it probably won't happen this week, though.
Looks like they lost about $50M per year from that, minus whatever they are getting back for the new broadcast rights (I have no idea). Either way, they have talked about going after Ohtani this winter since that deal blew up, so I'm not sure anything has changed in their approach.
Seems light to me. Herz and Made are both 40+ FV prospects who need 40-man protection this winter.
In other words, about the same return as we got for Vázquez. But Candelario is having a very fine season on pace for around 4.5 fWAR.
I thought this Tweet made a really good point about everyone having their own value on any given prospect.
View: https://twitter.com/jaketodonnell/status/1686103858840207360
Made is a legitimate defensive shortstop that has posted an 118 wRC+ in his last 149 plate appearances as a 20-year-old in High-A. He has a better professional track record than any middle infielder drafted by the Red Sox since Marcelo Mayer.
Such a prospect, much less such a prospect and a second prospect, would seem like a tremendous return for two 24-year-old minor leaguers— one positionless, the other a corner outfielder with a hole at the top of his swing, and both consuming spots on the 40-man roster.