Red Sox Trade Deadline 2022

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Their best homegrown offensive player of the generation is currently playing for a different team because the owner did not want to pay him. They’re currently in a standoff with #2 and #3 on that list because of money (fact, not opinion). Sorry that distorts your rose colored glasses but this organization is not doing all it can to compete right now.
One out of three ain’t bad. I hate that we lost Mookie. I won’t like losing Boegarts or Devers. I also hated losing Fisk, Lynn, etc.

but MORE than that I loved that this ownership has brought four titles to Boston, so I am going to give them a whole lot more rope. We all hate losing our binkies, but titles hang forever
 

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One out of three ain’t bad. I hate that we lost Mookie. I won’t like losing Boegarts or Devers. I also hated losing Fisk, Lynn, etc.

but MORE than that I loved that this ownership has brought four titles to Boston, so I am going to give them a whole lot more rope. We all hate losing our binkies, but titles hang forever
Gotta win titles to hang them. It would be nice to see someone that looked like a winning move.
 

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One out of three ain’t bad. I hate that we lost Mookie. I won’t like losing Boegarts or Devers. I also hated losing Fisk, Lynn, etc.

but MORE than that I loved that this ownership has brought four titles to Boston, so I am going to give them a whole lot more rope. We all hate losing our binkies, but titles hang forever
I understand, and agree that John Henry should be memorialized throughout New England down the road. But that doesn’t mean he should be absolved of criticism in the present. He’s taking the cheap route, which is sad considering the resources he has available and the money he spends on other ventures.
 

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I understand, and agree that John Henry should be memorialized throughout New England down the road. But that doesn’t mean he should be absolved of criticism in the present. He’s taking the cheap route, which is sad considering the resources he has available and the money he spends on other ventures.
He may be taking the cheap route. Devers and X are still on the team. Why the leap to complain about something that hasn’t happened yet? Because writers and sports talk says something is so?
 

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I understand, and agree that John Henry should be memorialized throughout New England down the road. But that doesn’t mean he should be absolved of criticism in the present. He’s taking the cheap route, which is sad considering the resources he has available and the money he spends on other ventures.
Yup, sixth fourth highest payroll in the game. He'S fUcKiNg ChEap!
 

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Yup, sixth fourth highest payroll in the game. He'S fUcKiNg ChEap!
7th according to Spotrac, and closer to 14th than 4th. But sorry to ruin your pile-on

Also, the Braves just locked up Austin Riley for 10 years today, coming off a World Series win. Explain to me what stopped John Henry from doing that with Devers?
 

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7th according to Spotrac, and closer to 14th than 4th. But sorry to ruin your pile-on

Also, the Braves just locked up Austin Riley for 10 years today, coming off a World Series win. Explain to me what stopped John Henry from doing that with Devers?
My guess is Bloom not wanting to make the offer.
 

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7th according to Spotrac, and closer to 14th than 4th. But sorry to ruin your pile-on

Also, the Braves just locked up Austin Riley for 10 years today, coming off a World Series win. Explain to me what stopped John Henry from doing that with Devers?
Examples of players signing contracts with 5 years of control left? And Henry not being the GM. They signed Sale at the same time.

Locking him up before 2019 after his worst season would have been genius though. How many 21 years old sign 10 year contracts?
 

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7th according to Spotrac, and closer to 14th than 4th. But sorry to ruin your pile-on

Also, the Braves just locked up Austin Riley for 10 years today, coming off a World Series win. Explain to me what stopped John Henry from doing that with Devers?
Maybe Devers didn't want to take a deal for half his value the way Riley for some reason did? That Riley deal was remarkably cheap for a player of his caliber.

My guess is Bloom not wanting to make the offer.
If Devers would agree to $212M for 10 years Bloom or any other exec would have done that deal in a heartbeat.
 

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7th according to Spotrac, and closer to 14th than 4th. But sorry to ruin your pile-on

Also, the Braves just locked up Austin Riley for 10 years today, coming off a World Series win. Explain to me what stopped John Henry from doing that with Devers?
Pretty sure Spotrac just removed the salaries of the players they traded away & didn't prorate them. Clearing salary to get under the tax threshold after they've already played badly (with $90m+ on IL & $18M+ tied up in players no longer on the roster) seems sensible to me for future competitive advantage reasons, so hopefully they're not done moving down those rankings.
 

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7th according to Spotrac, and closer to 14th than 4th. But sorry to ruin your pile-on

Also, the Braves just locked up Austin Riley for 10 years today, coming off a World Series win. Explain to me what stopped John Henry from doing that with Devers?
He did...except it was Chris Sale.
 

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Examples of players signing contracts with 5 years of control left? And Henry not being the GM. They signed Sale at the same time.

Locking him up before 2019 after his worst season would have been genius though. How many 21 years old sign 10 year contracts?
Wander Franco, with the organization the Red Sox are allegedly trying to mirror. Next question?
 

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I see we are at the complaining about payroll and rehashing the now ancient Mookie trade part of the discussion.

Is that anger or bargaining?

I like the Vazquez trade. Thank you for your service maybe we will see you again next year.

Enmanuel Valdez hitting .327 with 21 homers and a .410 OBP between AA and AAA this year. 23 years old.

Wilyer Abreu is hitting .249 with a .399 OBP, 15 homers and 23 SB in AA. Also 23 years old.

Thumbs up from me. Keep selling.
 

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I see we are at the complaining about payroll and rehashing the now ancient Mookie trade part of the discussion.

Is that anger or bargaining?

I like the Vazquez trade. Thank you for your service maybe we will see you again next year.

Enmanuel Valdez hitting .327 with 21 homers and a .410 OBP between AA and AAA this year. 23 years old.

Wilyer Abreu is hitting .249 with a .399 OBP, 15 homers and 23 SB in AA. Also 23 years old.

Thumbs up from me. Keep selling.
I think trading Vaz makes a lot of sense and getting rid of the Diekman mistake is a plus since many wanted to just DFA him. Trading for garbage like Pham makes almost no sense because anyone can be a guy that plays outfield on a loser.
 

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I see we are at the complaining about payroll and rehashing the now ancient Mookie trade part of the discussion.

Is that anger or bargaining?

I like the Vazquez trade. Thank you for your service maybe we will see you again next year.

Enmanuel Valdez hitting .327 with 21 homers and a .410 OBP between AA and AAA this year. 23 years old.

Wilyer Abreu is hitting .249 with a .399 OBP, 15 homers and 23 SB in AA. Also 23 years old.

Thumbs up from me. Keep selling.
Get out of here with your optimism, shill! Clearly we’re doomed!
 

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I think trading Vaz makes a lot of sense and getting rid of the Diekman mistake is a plus since many wanted to just DFA him. Trading for garbage like Pham makes almost no sense because anyone can be a guy that plays outfield on a loser.
I'm thinking they just wanted to add someone without having to give up anything of significance whatsoever. They have zero depth at the position so it at least gives them a marginal upgrade.

Maybe he has no market beyond what he signed for and they get someone cheap and passable as someone to plug in temporarily next season. I don't see it as a bad deal since it doesn't make the team worse.

As usual, Chaim Bloom has acquired guys that no one saw coming. Except the cops with that one guy.
 

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He did...except it was Chris Sale.
And like i have said numerous times. Having an obscene payroll guarantees you nothing especially under the current CBA. There is the reason both the sox and yankees have not spent like drunken sailors since the CBA implemented harsh punishments for going over the CBT
 

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I think trading Vaz makes a lot of sense and getting rid of the Diekman mistake is a plus since many wanted to just DFA him. Trading for garbage like Pham makes almost no sense because anyone can be a guy that plays outfield on a loser.
Maybe because as part of a platoon there's no reason to consider him garbage. Even overall he isn't garbage, just kinda meh
 

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I think trading Vaz makes a lot of sense and getting rid of the Diekman mistake is a plus since many wanted to just DFA him. Trading for garbage like Pham makes almost no sense because anyone can be a guy that plays outfield on a loser.
He can be an OF body to throw out there once JBJ is traded (speculation is Philly).
 

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He can be an OF body to throw out there once JBJ is traded (speculation is Philly).
Bloom should get GM of the year if he can move JBJ and get literally anything at all just to not have to pay the buyout on his option next year
 

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Bloom should get GM of the year if he can move JBJ and get literally anything at all just to not have to pay the buyout on his option next year
Yes, Bloom escaping much of the 2023 money headed to Diekman and JBJ would be very welcome moves.
 

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Bloom says they are not done with moves
View: https://twitter.com/jcmccaffrey/status/1554291504281157632


Chaim Bloom says "the picture is incomplete" when it comes to Red Sox deadline moves.

On the Vázquez trade: "Moving him is going to impact this club. We're aware of that. We're trying to help the club. We still want to make the postseason."
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1554283676170563584

Bloom (via Zoom) on whether Sox see themselves as contenders: “Obviously, we still have about 20 hours to go until the trade deadline. It is an incomplete picture….Our intent is to put ourselves in position to make the playoffs…We also want to make sure we do right for the org”
View: https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1554283953510653952

Chaim Bloom has emphasized multiple times in Zoom call that the "puzzle is not complete". Shall be interesting to see what happens by 6 p.m. on Tuesday.
View: https://twitter.com/IanMBrowne/status/1554285016364064769
 
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They have an 11% chance to make the playoffs. Would have been nice to see this urgency to improve the roster a few months ago when it could have made more of an impact.
 

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They have an 11% chance to make the playoffs. Would have been nice to see this urgency to improve the roster a few months ago when it could have made more of an impact.
That would require other teams to be willing to make these deals a month ago too. Not sure if you've noticed, but a shit ton of other very good teams have also waited until today to make moves to improve their clubs.
 

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They have an 11% chance to make the playoffs. Would have been nice to see this urgency to improve the roster a few months ago when it could have made more of an impact.
I am anxious to see how Tuesday plays out. With a modest 3 or 4 game winning streak, we are right back in the payoff mix with two months to go.
A 4 game win streak is unlikely, but not impossible.
That 11% would be significantly higher at that point.
 

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People for some reason* just love to discount last year’s VERY IMPRESSIVE alcs appearance.

*I’m just kidding, the reason is because people like to complain and agree with Felger and Mazz at their core.

But yes Chaim sucks and should be run out of town let’s hire Bobby V again.
 

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I don't know. It sounds like horseshit to me.

Vaz was traded for two prospects (decent looking ones.)
Diekman was traded for Vaz's replacement, McGuire, who is overall, hitting worse than JBJ, albeit in a SSS.

Effects:

1) Overall, catcher is a major downgrade offensively, and a minor one defensively.

2) Pitching is technically a downgrade. Diekman's ERA+ is a notch over league average. They need an above average pitcher to replace him for this to be an upgrade. But they do have a lot of moving parts. Essentially, at the moment, Barnes is his replacement. That could be good or farcical.

3) OF is technically a sorta-maybe-upgrade. Pham might be an upgrade over anyone in the OF if he started hitting again, but he's got an OPS of .500 in July. So who knows? He's likely to be good against LHP, with a moderate rebound. If he starts hitting righties again he'll be a solid OF addition. But if Verdugo picked it up again, he'd be great. . .so it's like that.
 

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They have an 11% chance to make the playoffs. Would have been nice to see this urgency to improve the roster a few months ago when it could have made more of an impact.
Because most of the teams who are sellers today were not sellers a few months ago. Some of the teams who are buyers today were not buyers months ago, so even if you were a seller then why wouldn’t you wait until the market opened up?
 

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People for some reason* just love to discount last year’s VERY IMPRESSIVE alcs appearance.

*I’m just kidding, the reason is because people like to complain and agree with Felger and Mazz at their core.

But yes Chaim sucks and should be run out of town let’s hire Bobby V again.
Should we be happy that this team, as constructed, couldn't win a series against an AL East opponent through the trade deadline? It's hard not to look around the division and feel like this team is trending in the wrong direction.
 

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Should we be happy that this team, as constructed, couldn't win a series against an AL East opponent through the trade deadline? It's hard not to look around the division and feel like this team is trending in the wrong direction.
I’m not happy they had a fucktonne of injuries, no.
 

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I don't know. It sounds like horseshit to me.

Vaz was traded for two prospects (decent looking ones.)
Diekman was traded for Vaz's replacement, McGuire, who is overall, hitting worse than JBJ, albeit in a SSS.

Effects:

1) Overall, catcher is a major downgrade offensively, and a minor one defensively.
How is it any sort of downgrade defensively? Mcguire is better, and people have been crying about Vaz defense and pitch calling for years on here.
 

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I’m not happy they had a fucktonne of injuries, no.
They played a lot of games before the injuries mounted. Plus it's not like the Red Sox are the only team in the league impacted by runs of bad injury luck. For example, the Rays, Twins, and Dodgers are teams with more cumulative lost days than the Red Sox.
 

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I don't know. It sounds like horseshit to me.

Vaz was traded for two prospects (decent looking ones.)
Diekman was traded for Vaz's replacement, McGuire, who is overall, hitting worse than JBJ, albeit in a SSS.

Effects:

1) Overall, catcher is a major downgrade offensively, and a minor one defensively.

2) Pitching is technically a downgrade. Diekman's ERA+ is a notch over league average. They need an above average pitcher to replace him for this to be an upgrade. But they do have a lot of moving parts. Essentially, at the moment, Barnes is his replacement. That could be good or farcical.

3) OF is technically a sorta-maybe-upgrade. Pham might be an upgrade over anyone in the OF if he started hitting again, but he's got an OPS of .500 in July. So who knows? He's likely to be good against LHP, with a moderate rebound. If he starts hitting righties again he'll be a solid OF addition. But if Verdugo picked it up again, he'd be great. . .so it's like that.
I mean yeah, if this is all Bloom does then it's a pretty dismal deadline for the 2022 team. But it may look completely different tomorrow.
 

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You mean when they were 10 games above .500 through just over half the season?
Due to a weak schedule in June that still didn't see them win a single series against a team in the AL East. The teams that will likely make up the bulk of the playoff contenders in the AL.
 

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You mean when they were 10 games above .500 through just over half the season?
The schedule isn’t balanced; at that point they had barely played the Yankees, Jays, Rays- and have been completely embarrassed when they had to play those teams.

Given the current talent in each teams control, which divisional opponent do the Sox have a brighter future than?

The entire optimism about the Sox is that they are going to do a great job spending all this money they will have. Hopefully, but hardly a given.
 

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Due to a weak schedule in June that still didn't see them win a single series against a team in the AL East. The teams that will likely make up the bulk of the playoff contenders in the AL.
They played 1 whole series against an AL east team in June
 

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I have yet to come to any firm conclusion on Bloom’s abilities as a GM. He is, however, clearly quite comfortable spinning nonsense (I won’t call it lies, but it’s pretty close).

The stuff the other day about not even considering trading X was pure gobbledegook. I mean, of course they’ve considered it. It’d be malpractice had they not.

And now saying that they’re still trying to get in the playoffs? Puhleeze.

I’m not upset by it, but it’s all complete nonsense.
 

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Which is exactly why their record coming out of June was fools gold, in my opinion, relative to what came before and after.
They played 4 series vs teams within 1 game of the playoffs as of now and went 8-4. Also 6-1 vs 2 more teams in mid/late may.
 

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It's funny that both the Sox and Houston GMs came out to say "we're not done yet" tonight. Between LA, SD, NYM, BOS, NYY, HOU, STL and WAS....tomorrow is going to be absolutely ridiculous.