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MarcSullivaFan said:
I'm trying to be civil, as I was praying CJ would fall to me. Bastard. Nice pick.
Okay, so my best guy wasn't taken.
I could go a lot of ways here -- I would love to upgrade Dalton, but right now I just can't justify replacing a guy who threw 33 TDs and for 4300 yards last year. Yeah, the 20 INTs was ugly, but I still think he can be a decent enough QB to get you to the playoffs (as he's been in the playoffs ever season of his career thus far).
And while my linebackers are awful, they got a lot better by getting Tulloch. But yeah.... when Kenbrell Thompkins is your second best receiving option, you're not looking good.
So while I could definitely improve at a few places, right now this team needs pass-catchers, and a lot of them.
The Philadelphia Yambag-Eagles select:
O'Dell Beckham, Jr. -- WR
While he projects mostly as a #2, that's what we need -- the best guys who can make catches, and this Beckham, Jr. can do that. He's explosive and can make big plays. Yes, we need other guys, but this is the most pressing need in my mind.
There's a few guys I'm interested in that play on defense, but I'm pretty deep (and young) and I'd rather improve at a spot that I am desperate to do so.
I could go a lot of ways here -- I would love to upgrade Dalton, but right now I just can't justify replacing a guy who threw 33 TDs and for 4300 yards last year. Yeah, the 20 INTs was ugly, but I still think he can be a decent enough QB to get you to the playoffs (as he's been in the playoffs ever season of his career thus far).
And while my linebackers are awful, they got a lot better by getting Tulloch. But yeah.... when Kenbrell Thompkins is your second best receiving option, you're not looking good.
So while I could definitely improve at a few places, right now this team needs pass-catchers, and a lot of them.
The Philadelphia Yambag-Eagles select:
O'Dell Beckham, Jr. -- WR
While he projects mostly as a #2, that's what we need -- the best guys who can make catches, and this Beckham, Jr. can do that. He's explosive and can make big plays. Yes, we need other guys, but this is the most pressing need in my mind.
There's a few guys I'm interested in that play on defense, but I'm pretty deep (and young) and I'd rather improve at a spot that I am desperate to do so.
soxfan121 said:
I love how you've made it your mission in life for the past several months to get everyone to draft backup QB's so people at the end of the draft get screwed.
you're a weird cat.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
You have a weird sense of time (its been weeks) and proportion (it isn't people, its you). But that's OK, since weird cat is one the nicer things you ever said about me. The good news is that you'll probably yack up another hairball, no matter who's available.
That said, the fact that all the teams in the top ten, and several without even a dead body on their depth chart, passed on the QBs is worthy of comment. Despite those results not matching the NFL results or the general consensus that to win anything in any league, you have to have a QB. So, a bunch of those teams'll be picking in the top ten again next year regardless of how good their non-QB pick turns out.
In summation, it is only mostly about you, not entirely about you.
soxfan121 said:
You have a weird sense of time (its been weeks) and proportion (it isn't people, its you). But that's OK, since weird cat is one the nicer things you ever said about me. The good news is that you'll probably yack up another hairball, no matter who's available.
That said, the fact that all the teams in the top ten, and several without even a dead body on their depth chart, passed on the QBs is worthy of comment. Despite those results not matching the NFL results or the general consensus that to win anything in any league, you have to have a QB. So, a bunch of those teams'll be picking in the top ten again next year regardless of how good their non-QB pick turns out.
In summation, it is only mostly about you, not entirely about you.
In my case, I'm okay with that. I'd rather be building for multiple years and putting together a long term plan B (now that I've screwed up plan A) than blowing my load on a QB early (none of which I am convinced are the savior of the franchise) and trying to build up the rest of the team.
Let me ask you this: If you needed a QB and you had a choice between the QBs and Clowney, who would you have taken?
This QB discussion is slowly ruining my plans to draft a 3rd QB.
Or a 2nd, if you don't believe Flacco merits the designation....
Or a 2nd, if you don't believe Flacco merits the designation....
I'd have been tempted to go with one of the outside rushers here had a better one fallen or my top QB been off the board, but it's time to continue to turn last year's detriment into a strength with:
Blake Bortles
He'll take the year to learn and work on his mechanics and dream about all the toys he's got to play with.
I can't PM from my phone so if someone could jump on that, that would be great.
Blake Bortles
He'll take the year to learn and work on his mechanics and dream about all the toys he's got to play with.
I can't PM from my phone so if someone could jump on that, that would be great.
With the 14th pick, the Cleveland Ravens select Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville / J-E-T-S.
Pryor's a versatile safety who can lay the wood ...
... but can make plays in coverage, too (this is a pick of the player taken immediately before him):
He has a lot in common with my outstanding second-year safety, Kenny Vaccaro. That's by design. It's great to have an Earl Thomas back there in centerfield, but there aren't that many of those guys out there and there aren't any in this draft. Instead I have a future pairing of two guys who can play deep zone, ball-hawk in shallow zone, and hit in run support. Pryor doesn't have Vaccaro's man-coverage skills, but he's even more physical. The back end of my defense now has two play-making Swiss-army knives who allow me to disguise coverages and do a lot of different things without exposing weaknesses. And I still have steady veteran Ryan Clark to keep things under control if the young guys get over-aggressive; I envision quite a bit of three-safety defenses. Pryor is one of my favorite players in the draft and I'm excited to add him to the Ravens.
EDIT: PDBWake PM'd
Pryor's a versatile safety who can lay the wood ...
... but can make plays in coverage, too (this is a pick of the player taken immediately before him):
He has a lot in common with my outstanding second-year safety, Kenny Vaccaro. That's by design. It's great to have an Earl Thomas back there in centerfield, but there aren't that many of those guys out there and there aren't any in this draft. Instead I have a future pairing of two guys who can play deep zone, ball-hawk in shallow zone, and hit in run support. Pryor doesn't have Vaccaro's man-coverage skills, but he's even more physical. The back end of my defense now has two play-making Swiss-army knives who allow me to disguise coverages and do a lot of different things without exposing weaknesses. And I still have steady veteran Ryan Clark to keep things under control if the young guys get over-aggressive; I envision quite a bit of three-safety defenses. Pryor is one of my favorite players in the draft and I'm excited to add him to the Ravens.
EDIT: PDBWake PM'd
In continuing with our desire to improve our front 7, the Green Bay Packers select Ryan Shazier, LB, Ohio State University
His ability to play both inside and out, as well as defend the run, drop back into coverage (an area we were sorely missing) and help with rushing the passer make him the perfect swiss army knife for our LB corps.
PMing JerBear now
His ability to play both inside and out, as well as defend the run, drop back into coverage (an area we were sorely missing) and help with rushing the passer make him the perfect swiss army knife for our LB corps.
PMing JerBear now
soxfan121 said:
You have a weird sense of time (its been weeks) and proportion (it isn't people, its you). But that's OK, since weird cat is one the nicer things you ever said about me. The good news is that you'll probably yack up another hairball, no matter who's available.
That said, the fact that all the teams in the top ten, and several without even a dead body on their depth chart, passed on the QBs is worthy of comment. Despite those results not matching the NFL results or the general consensus that to win anything in any league, you have to have a QB. So, a bunch of those teams'll be picking in the top ten again next year regardless of how good their non-QB pick turns out.
In summation, it is only mostly about you, not entirely about you.
Ace, this is 121's way of complementing us. He knows we built a damn good team and if we had a QB we'd be... set.
Think about it. Our defense is returning with 3 starters all coming into their second years. We could have the #1 D here and we have 3 good pass rushers and 4 if you include our SAM (Manny Lawson can rush the passer even if he isn't a stud).
Our RB's are a great tandem and our offensive line, aside from C, is very solid. So where are we weak? WR, TE, QB. If we have a QB even with some depth issues at WR/TE we're easily a top 5 team in the conference if not better. So take it as a complement. He doesn't want us to get a QB because he knows what that means. And I don't blame him for trying to encourage the other non-QB teams to draft one.
Edit: KFP, 121, gold jacket, green jacket...
With their pick, the Texans select Taylor Lewan, OT.
First order of business is to get him a helmet that fits.
We need some help on the offensive line, unfortunately we might not see a lot of production from him this year with the Titans drafting him for seemingly next year after signing Oher this year. We'll see.
MMS PM'd.
First order of business is to get him a helmet that fits.
We need some help on the offensive line, unfortunately we might not see a lot of production from him this year with the Titans drafting him for seemingly next year after signing Oher this year. We'll see.
MMS PM'd.
Myt1 said:
I was really interested in how Jacksonville dealt with their selection of Bortles. Coming out immediately and declaring that Bortles won't start in 2014 was an extremely smart long term move. The OL there is still godawful and putting a rookie QB out there to run for his life would not help his development. Let Chad Henne take the lumps, get another high draft pick next year and then see where they are at after giving Bradley the chance to stabilize the defensive side of the ball.
As for Bortles on Myt1's team - I think its the right pick. He has all the measurable skills and attributes to be a successful QB. I think he deserved to be the first QB taken both in the NFL and here in the RFP.
In other news, I think SMU called me KFP up thread, which is confusing for a multitude of reasons.
Bucs take Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville.
I've been a huge pro-Bridgewater guy since seeing him dismantle Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The fact that he slid in the NFL draft presents some real concerns - nobody knows talent better than NFL front offices and 32 teams passed on the chance to draft him. But I think many of Bridgewater's supposed flaws (especially his lack of bulk, his hand size has me a little bit more concerned) have been exaggerated and that putting real stock in his horrendous Pro Day is a huge mistake. Tape don't lie and what the tape on Bridgewater shows is a quarterback with excellent accuracy and touch, more than enough arm strength, a good feel for pressure and sliding around the pocket, and a very refined ability to read and manipulate the defense and win pre-snap at the line of scrimmage. Predicting how QBs will fare in the mental aspect of the game is the hardest thing to do in player evaluation so Bridgewater's ability to thrive in that respect is no guarantee. But he has all the ingredients you'd look for in terms of a QB that's going to consistently win chess matches against defensive coordinators and then be able to deliver the ball accurately to the weak point in the defense.
Ultimately, I doubt Bridgewater ever becomes a truly elite (Top 5ish) NFL QB and I do wonder whether he'll have durability concerns in the long term. But I think he has a good shot of settling into that next tier for a 6-8 year run. The best comp that I've seen for him is Jeff Garcia, a guy who nobody ever confused with the best QB in the league but still went to four Pro Bowls and would have been to more if his career hadn't started at 29.
This pick doesn't mean that I've given up on Sam Bradford, who I think still has about the same potential as TBW - never going to be elite, but could be a solid guy in the back end of the Top 10-12. But Bradford, despite showing some signs of advancement, remains injury-prone and a big question mark going forward. I can't say for sure whether he's "The Guy" given that he may not even be the the guy in St. Louis after this year depending on how things go. I thought that Mallett might get traded and be my insurance policy but that seems increasingly unlikely. I feel good enough about the rest of my team and uncertain enough about my QB situation that taking a QB here becomes a no-brainer.
Btw, Bridgewater popped up from this John Bostic hit in about half a second and proceeded to destroy Florida.
Edit: PM sent to SPDougie
I've been a huge pro-Bridgewater guy since seeing him dismantle Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The fact that he slid in the NFL draft presents some real concerns - nobody knows talent better than NFL front offices and 32 teams passed on the chance to draft him. But I think many of Bridgewater's supposed flaws (especially his lack of bulk, his hand size has me a little bit more concerned) have been exaggerated and that putting real stock in his horrendous Pro Day is a huge mistake. Tape don't lie and what the tape on Bridgewater shows is a quarterback with excellent accuracy and touch, more than enough arm strength, a good feel for pressure and sliding around the pocket, and a very refined ability to read and manipulate the defense and win pre-snap at the line of scrimmage. Predicting how QBs will fare in the mental aspect of the game is the hardest thing to do in player evaluation so Bridgewater's ability to thrive in that respect is no guarantee. But he has all the ingredients you'd look for in terms of a QB that's going to consistently win chess matches against defensive coordinators and then be able to deliver the ball accurately to the weak point in the defense.
Ultimately, I doubt Bridgewater ever becomes a truly elite (Top 5ish) NFL QB and I do wonder whether he'll have durability concerns in the long term. But I think he has a good shot of settling into that next tier for a 6-8 year run. The best comp that I've seen for him is Jeff Garcia, a guy who nobody ever confused with the best QB in the league but still went to four Pro Bowls and would have been to more if his career hadn't started at 29.
This pick doesn't mean that I've given up on Sam Bradford, who I think still has about the same potential as TBW - never going to be elite, but could be a solid guy in the back end of the Top 10-12. But Bradford, despite showing some signs of advancement, remains injury-prone and a big question mark going forward. I can't say for sure whether he's "The Guy" given that he may not even be the the guy in St. Louis after this year depending on how things go. I thought that Mallett might get traded and be my insurance policy but that seems increasingly unlikely. I feel good enough about the rest of my team and uncertain enough about my QB situation that taking a QB here becomes a no-brainer.
Btw, Bridgewater popped up from this John Bostic hit in about half a second and proceeded to destroy Florida.
Edit: PM sent to SPDougie
Were you guys looking at QBs? I assumed you were going to pull a Jets and use your first on D every year.SMU_Sox said:
SMU_Sox said:
As a note, we acquired SMU's favorite QB in the draft last year (Tyler Wilson), so...good luck.
I was a little surprised no one took a QB in the top 10 (as opposed to the mock we did a few weeks ago in the "Wait, who?" forum, where all went in the top 7, I believe). None of them are sure things relative to the other options, but Danooo, Wiki, and RO literally don't have QBs and Was' QB is literally Brandon Weeden. Someone's going to end up running the Power T or something. At least ElCab has Christian Ponder.Super Nomario said:
I, on the other hand, think TBW sucks goat balls.
In complete honesty, there are probably 5-6 other QBs that came out of the draft this year that I like more (in some cases, much more) then TBW.
TBW had some good games against some pretty terrible competition. I wasn't impressed with his overall body of work.
In complete honesty, there are probably 5-6 other QBs that came out of the draft this year that I like more (in some cases, much more) then TBW.
TBW had some good games against some pretty terrible competition. I wasn't impressed with his overall body of work.
Super Nomario said:
I'm picking up Pat White and Brad Smith and running a wildcat/read-option hybrid offense.
I've got a lot of holes to fill, but in the first round I'm all about taking the top guy on my board. There are a lot of differences of opinion about him between NFL scouts, GMs, and coach. I'm also sure there are between everyone here as well, but with his potential I couldn't let him pass.
The San Diego Chargers select:
QB, Johnny Manziel
I think Johnny Football is the ultimate high-risk, high-reward type of player. He's a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for because of his ability to escape the pocket. The question is will he be able to stay healthy with the style he plays in the NFL? To me at 19 it's worth it because you need a QB to win in this league, so I'm going all in with Johnny Football in San Diego.
The San Diego Chargers select:
QB, Johnny Manziel
I think Johnny Football is the ultimate high-risk, high-reward type of player. He's a nightmare for defenses to gameplan for because of his ability to escape the pocket. The question is will he be able to stay healthy with the style he plays in the NFL? To me at 19 it's worth it because you need a QB to win in this league, so I'm going all in with Johnny Football in San Diego.
The KCC (whom are strangely dissapointed that no one picks them as having QB issues) are a bit bummed at the current QB run. We expected one of the big 3 to potentially make it to their next pick. Now they are left with Other QBs as potential options.
However after thinking about it each QB taken leaves really good players at other positions available.
Also while QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT position to fill....you shouldnt expect to be able to fill it with quality. IOW just because guys are there.....doesnt mean they are good. So the KCC will not Reach for a QB regardless of rumblings from the fan base. We will continue to pick the BPA and build our team in preparation for when we do get an opportunity for a Quality QB.
However after thinking about it each QB taken leaves really good players at other positions available.
Also while QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT position to fill....you shouldnt expect to be able to fill it with quality. IOW just because guys are there.....doesnt mean they are good. So the KCC will not Reach for a QB regardless of rumblings from the fan base. We will continue to pick the BPA and build our team in preparation for when we do get an opportunity for a Quality QB.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 1h
I'm hearing the 'Necks are targeting a backup QB in round 2 #Smokescreen
I'm hearing the 'Necks are targeting a backup QB in round 2 #Smokescreen
Im not trying to be a dick, and its not the point.bakahump said:
Why do people feel the need to skirt the edge of this rule? Is it so difficult? You getting some kind of righteous indignation because YOU decided to list players is bullshit.
Can you please stop trying to fucking rebel against the system and just not mention players who havent been drafted?
Apparently there are a few rules to live by:
1) Never start a land war in Asia.
2) Don't drop the soap in the shower if you're showering with a Greek.
3) Don't name potential draft picks before they have been drafted.
1) Never start a land war in Asia.
2) Don't drop the soap in the shower if you're showering with a Greek.
3) Don't name potential draft picks before they have been drafted.
Can you show me this rule?
I too am not trying to be a dick. I may have actually missed it.
I do think its a stupid rule.
In real life no one "avoids" naming Manziel on ESPN CBS WSBK or whatever because a team hasnt picked him yet. Big name players are actually reported EVERYWHERE and IN YOUR FACE. "WHY HASNT XYZ been drafted yet!!!????".
Realistically....its truer to real life if "buzz" about players influence their draft stock.
If its a rule and I missed it....I apologize, but I would like to see the list of rules so I dont screw up again. The first page of this, the draft thread doesnt have it listed as a rule.
I too am not trying to be a dick. I may have actually missed it.
I do think its a stupid rule.
In real life no one "avoids" naming Manziel on ESPN CBS WSBK or whatever because a team hasnt picked him yet. Big name players are actually reported EVERYWHERE and IN YOUR FACE. "WHY HASNT XYZ been drafted yet!!!????".
Realistically....its truer to real life if "buzz" about players influence their draft stock.
If its a rule and I missed it....I apologize, but I would like to see the list of rules so I dont screw up again. The first page of this, the draft thread doesnt have it listed as a rule.
bakahump said:
You took over a team midseason so maybe you didn't catch everything from the first draft - no worries at all. But it is a rule. Don't name players in this thread that haven't been drafted.
It was a rule we agreed upon during the original draft.bakahump said:
I think it matters less when discussing rookies, especially since we already have the draft results, but it's an all or nothing rule. I don't think it's fair to mention a QB that's still around in the NFL, people have to do their own research. So the same should be for the rookies, even if we have the draft results.
The Saints have no safeties, so this is a case where one of my main needs is met by one of the best players left on the board, and he has a great name to boot. S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix
ElCab has been PM'ed
ElCab has been PM'ed
I'm sure Saturnian knows this but I had a few people watching the draft with me think his real full name was 'Haha'. It is not. His real name is Ha'Sean.
His grandmother actually gave him the nickname.
His grandmother actually gave him the nickname.
The ElCab Dolphins select QB Derek Carr (and his lovely wife, Heather)
Not our first, second or third choice. Actually, there's even a fourth guy I like better but is in a worse situation (I wonder who could that be???), so David's little brother is our pick. He's got a chance to win the starting job over Schaub and hopefully gives our team a guy who can eventually take us to the playoffs. On our squad, he'll have a solid OL protecting him, catching weapons in Keenan Allen, Andrew Hawkins, Jordan Cameron and Dwayne Allen, as well as a strong defense. Not a bad environment to come into as a rookie.
Eck's been PM'd
Edit: Eck's been PM'd, not PM's. I don't think Eck has PM's today.
Not our first, second or third choice. Actually, there's even a fourth guy I like better but is in a worse situation (I wonder who could that be???), so David's little brother is our pick. He's got a chance to win the starting job over Schaub and hopefully gives our team a guy who can eventually take us to the playoffs. On our squad, he'll have a solid OL protecting him, catching weapons in Keenan Allen, Andrew Hawkins, Jordan Cameron and Dwayne Allen, as well as a strong defense. Not a bad environment to come into as a rookie.
Eck's been PM'd
Edit: Eck's been PM'd, not PM's. I don't think Eck has PM's today.