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Well right... but I did say cat shit which implies I'm not trying to deny or hide what it is. In all seriousness we drafted for floor. I think McCown has a high floor as a game manager move the sticks don't turn it over run on sentence I'm too tired for grammar insert cliche here.
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Fitzcownbertson is better imo.
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Fitzcownbertson is better imo.
Which is why no one bothered making "fun" of the pick when it was made.
Only after Mr. 18% asked for such treatment was said treatment rendered. I was quite content to wait until Glennon takes his job (because that IS happening) before giving any shit about that pick.
FWIW, I don't think you had a better choice on the board and I don't think you could have done more to actually help your team than by picking a steady, unspectacular, get-the-job-done-without-hurting-the-team game manager.
Only after Mr. 18% asked for such treatment was said treatment rendered. I was quite content to wait until Glennon takes his job (because that IS happening) before giving any shit about that pick.
FWIW, I don't think you had a better choice on the board and I don't think you could have done more to actually help your team than by picking a steady, unspectacular, get-the-job-done-without-hurting-the-team game manager.
Nice pick. He was on my short list for round 2 options. He needs to get stronger, but he can stick in any just about any WR's back pocket and should be able to at least start in the slot. If he was bigger, he would be my #1 CB in the draft. His tape impressed the hell out of me. And, obviously, you can never have too many good DBs in today's game.bsj said:
From Fitzpatrick to McCown we go from Harvard to Sam Houston State.
Average SAT Scores 25th Percentile/ 75th Percentile
Harvard math: 710 / 790
Sam Houston State math: 470 / 550
Harvard Critical Reading: 700 / 800
Sam Houston State critical reading: 450 / 540
No info on Sam Houston State's writing scores.
As for tuition for out of staters? 27.8k at Sam Houston State and 57k at Harvard (obviously not a state school).
Want a shocker? Sam Houston State has a higher average book cost than Harvard coming in at $1,108 vs. $1,000.
Popular majors at Harvard? Biology, Economics, English, History, Political Science, Psychology, Social Sciences
Popular majors at Sam Houston State? Accounting, Business, Criminal Justice Studies, Journalism, Health and Physical Education, Interdisciplinary Studies, Psychology
Average SAT Scores 25th Percentile/ 75th Percentile
Harvard math: 710 / 790
Sam Houston State math: 470 / 550
Harvard Critical Reading: 700 / 800
Sam Houston State critical reading: 450 / 540
No info on Sam Houston State's writing scores.
As for tuition for out of staters? 27.8k at Sam Houston State and 57k at Harvard (obviously not a state school).
Want a shocker? Sam Houston State has a higher average book cost than Harvard coming in at $1,108 vs. $1,000.
Popular majors at Harvard? Biology, Economics, English, History, Political Science, Psychology, Social Sciences
Popular majors at Sam Houston State? Accounting, Business, Criminal Justice Studies, Journalism, Health and Physical Education, Interdisciplinary Studies, Psychology
The Steelers had a plan. That was to take the best player for the system, Khalil Mack as #1 rookie pick, then hoping for this guy to fall in round 2.
Seoul Steelers sleeplessly select:
DE Mike Daniels
Daniels, a 2nd year player from Iowa, had a monster season in a breakout year:
Our front-seven, admittedly one of the weakest points on our team, now boasts Khalil Mack as a pass rushing OLB and Daniels as a pass rushing DE. Quite a turnaround.
DaNoome PM'd.
Seoul Steelers sleeplessly select:
DE Mike Daniels
Daniels, a 2nd year player from Iowa, had a monster season in a breakout year:
- 8 sacks
- 6 hits
- 27 hurries
- 16 tackles / 3 assists
- 22.4 overall
- 9.5 run defense
- 12.0 pass rush
Our front-seven, admittedly one of the weakest points on our team, now boasts Khalil Mack as a pass rushing OLB and Daniels as a pass rushing DE. Quite a turnaround.
DaNoome PM'd.
Unlike the real Seahawks, we (a) suck and (b) have shitty corners so it's time to bolster the secondary with the selection of Stanley Jean-Baptiste, CB, Nebraska
Here's an example of his talents:
http://youtu.be/5eVN7QRgXjI
PMing Scoops & Phragle
Here's an example of his talents:
http://youtu.be/5eVN7QRgXjI
PMing Scoops & Phragle
Love that pick Danooo. As a Nebraska fan I've seen every game he's played in, and he's becoming quite the player. Nice pick.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Where's all the shit talking about my pick?
I think it was a good pick, but what he does throwing to Evans, Jackson, and Martin doesn't have anything to do with how he does throwing to whomever you have.
soxfan121 said:
He's so good I was considering taking him and trying to sell him as a NT, ESC style
soxfan121 said:
Hey thanks SF121 -- he stands out and phragle would have snapped him up as an NT if I had not, as he posted above.
I got nervous when Eck (I think) posted about when the non-rookie F.A.s would go and thinking that'd make GMs look & get Daniels before the end of the 1st.
I keep thinking about protecting Fleener when I should have kept Kenny Stills though -- but too late.
phragle said:
People have obviously considered players season performance and statistics into the analysis of players and match ups. I didn't think there was a question behind that, to be honest.
Less than an hour until phragle/Scoops have exhausted the time limit (DanoooMe picked last night at 8:52PM and sent a PM - phragle posted after that in this thread).
Hoping for a Minnesota Vikings situation here. wibi and Red October better be ready to jump in and make their picks.
Hoping for a Minnesota Vikings situation here. wibi and Red October better be ready to jump in and make their picks.
Austin Seferian-Jenkins
I don't think we would have had a shot to get him in the second if not for the foot injury. I think it hurt his stats and his ability to work out for teams. I look at the TE position as one that is largely the same - most of them are JAGs give or take a bit. So when you get a chance to make a difference maker, like ASJ, you have to take him. It's like getting a catcher that can hit.
He's another player the Bucs picked to inflate McCown's stats.
I don't think we would have had a shot to get him in the second if not for the foot injury. I think it hurt his stats and his ability to work out for teams. I look at the TE position as one that is largely the same - most of them are JAGs give or take a bit. So when you get a chance to make a difference maker, like ASJ, you have to take him. It's like getting a catcher that can hit.
He's another player the Bucs picked to inflate McCown's stats.
*I'm excluding a tight end from this discussion whom we all know about but I'll follow the rules - no not Ebron.
So ASJ - probably the best all round tight end in the class and definitely the most complete*. Waldman loves him and he tends to do OK evaluating position players especially guys drafted in the first few rounds. No one is perfect but Matt's quite good at it.
ASJ played with a foot injury last year that hurt his speed and his blocking. His blocking is the area where he is the most raw but if he's healthy 1) he's going to be a better blocker 2) he can be coached up 3) he has the size and power to be a good blocker. He was recently getting timed in the 4.50's for his 40 time. At his height and weight? Damn. ASJ needs to be more physical with corners jamming him. If your coaching staff can fix those 2 problems you're looking at the highest ceiling TE in the class. He's an instant red zone threat on day 1. While it might take him a year to adjust to the league (Even Gronk didn't dominate on day 1) you drafted a guy with, imo, a ceiling around Gronk's. There were 2 guys I thought about taking instead of a QB. KFP thinks I am nuts. One of those guys was ASJ. Yes, I am nuts. But I think the sky is the limit with him. While Ebron might be a better pure receiver out of the gate I think when it is all said and done ASJ will be the best TE from the 2014 draft group.
After the draft Waldman changed his tune on that in light of the foot injury. Basically your downside is a starting TE who will be a great red zone and short target threat. Upside out the wazoo.
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So ASJ - probably the best all round tight end in the class and definitely the most complete*. Waldman loves him and he tends to do OK evaluating position players especially guys drafted in the first few rounds. No one is perfect but Matt's quite good at it.
ASJ played with a foot injury last year that hurt his speed and his blocking. His blocking is the area where he is the most raw but if he's healthy 1) he's going to be a better blocker 2) he can be coached up 3) he has the size and power to be a good blocker. He was recently getting timed in the 4.50's for his 40 time. At his height and weight? Damn. ASJ needs to be more physical with corners jamming him. If your coaching staff can fix those 2 problems you're looking at the highest ceiling TE in the class. He's an instant red zone threat on day 1. While it might take him a year to adjust to the league (Even Gronk didn't dominate on day 1) you drafted a guy with, imo, a ceiling around Gronk's. There were 2 guys I thought about taking instead of a QB. KFP thinks I am nuts. One of those guys was ASJ. Yes, I am nuts. But I think the sky is the limit with him. While Ebron might be a better pure receiver out of the gate I think when it is all said and done ASJ will be the best TE from the 2014 draft group.
After the draft Waldman changed his tune on that in light of the foot injury. Basically your downside is a starting TE who will be a great red zone and short target threat. Upside out the wazoo.
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I'm hereby petitioning for some draft pick relief from my Aaron Hernandez pick in the original draft. He signed his RF contract after the double murders, so clearly he knew he couldn't fulfill his fantasy obligations and we were the victims of fraud.
Man, am I glad he didn't make it to the Intercourse Panthers breakup party at the end of the season.
Man, am I glad he didn't make it to the Intercourse Panthers breakup party at the end of the season.
To follow up on Phragle's post, ASJ adds another interesting piece to the 'Necks offense. With Harvin, Stills, ASJ, Miller, and Vereen we have some flexible weapons that will allow us to do some unusual things. Living in New Orleans, one of the most interesting parts of the Saints' offense is watching how many looks they can show on the exact same play; they will occasionally run the exact same play multiple times in a row, but out of wildly different formations (typically doing something like a pass play out of a bunch formation, spreading 5 wide and running the same play, then going back to a bunch and running the ball). With guys like Harvin and Vereen who can move all over the field, and then a pair of TEs who can both stay on the line or run a route, we can do exactly that, and really take advantage of whatever a defense wants to give us. If Harvin and Vereen can stay healthy, this will be a very different offense than last year's Miller and scrubs edition.
I need a QB and I think I've found my franchise guy after flaming out with Geno Smith. The Jets have selected QB Jimmy Garoppolo.
Luckily for Red October and the Patriots Waldman's track record on QBs is pretty awful.SMU_Sox said:
Player A: 16G, 789 Snaps, 3 sacks, 3 hits, 7 hurries, 44 tackles, +15.8 PFF score.
Player B: 19G, 726 Snaps, 7 sacks, 8 hits, 31 hurries, 32 tackles, 5 swats, +19.2 PFF score.
Player A is Jurrell Casey, in 2012 - his second season in the league. A guy I had on my shortlist in the original draft as a potential breakout candidate, but who I didn't have the guts to pull the trigger on quick enough. In 2013 Casey played 891 snaps in 15 games and had 11 sacks, 7 hits, and 36 hurries for a +36.1 PFF score.
Player B is the Vikings newest member, DL Malik Jackson in 2013 - his second season in the league. I hadn't intended to draft DEF here, but I also didn't expect Jackson to make it back to me, and the Vikings defensive line could use some more depth until we see what, if anything, we can get out of Tank Carradine. The 6'5" 285lb Jackson's ability to play end or tackle make him a versatile weapon, and allows us flexibility based on how Carradine and fellow rookie Hankins pan out. He also gives us another big body to pair with Dareus and Canty and should thrive on this line as he does on the actual Broncos - with Wake in the Von Miller role. Here, however, he'll also be paired with another lineman better than anybody in Denver (Dareus), and we anticipate he'll get favorable matchups all season. We're hoping for a similar leap in productivity as Casey enjoyed in his third NFL season.
Edit: Baka PM'd.
Player B: 19G, 726 Snaps, 7 sacks, 8 hits, 31 hurries, 32 tackles, 5 swats, +19.2 PFF score.
Player A is Jurrell Casey, in 2012 - his second season in the league. A guy I had on my shortlist in the original draft as a potential breakout candidate, but who I didn't have the guts to pull the trigger on quick enough. In 2013 Casey played 891 snaps in 15 games and had 11 sacks, 7 hits, and 36 hurries for a +36.1 PFF score.
Player B is the Vikings newest member, DL Malik Jackson in 2013 - his second season in the league. I hadn't intended to draft DEF here, but I also didn't expect Jackson to make it back to me, and the Vikings defensive line could use some more depth until we see what, if anything, we can get out of Tank Carradine. The 6'5" 285lb Jackson's ability to play end or tackle make him a versatile weapon, and allows us flexibility based on how Carradine and fellow rookie Hankins pan out. He also gives us another big body to pair with Dareus and Canty and should thrive on this line as he does on the actual Broncos - with Wake in the Von Miller role. Here, however, he'll also be paired with another lineman better than anybody in Denver (Dareus), and we anticipate he'll get favorable matchups all season. We're hoping for a similar leap in productivity as Casey enjoyed in his third NFL season.
Edit: Baka PM'd.
sleepyjose03 said:
Terrific pick sleepy -- Jackson was numero dos on my list after Mike Daniels.
I pushed hard to take Jackson. As good as our D-line already is, I think he was one of the better players available in this draft.
RedOctober3829 said:I need a QB and I think I've found my franchise guy after flaming out with Geno Smith. The Jets have selected QB Jimmy Garoppolo.
So...how's this gonna work? I mean, assuming that phragle is correct and that Tom Brady is impervious to age and injury, this guy is never gonna see the field other than in preseason.
Take a wild ass guess? Take the 0.0 and try to argue that if he played he'd be "like X"?
soxfan121 said:
I had the same thought. Probably something we can discuss in the RFP year 2 thread. I think people were too caught up in the PFF scores anyway. This will likely open up some other avenues of grading or probable productivity.
We had this issue with Myt1's team last year; his QBs were Ryan Nassib, Mark Sanchez, and Landry Jones, none of whom played a snap.soxfan121 said:
Super Nomario said:
And that team got more last place votes than any team to not actually finish last. Plus, buttfumble.
If anyone can craft a convincing argument about how JG succeeds with his team, it's RedOctober. I look forward to reading, now or after the season, how he is going to assess JG. And since we will all get to see JG play in the preseason, RO's arguments will be backed by some knowledge.
I didn't see Ryan Nassib or Landry Jones during last preseason, so Myt1 missed an opportunity to craft an extensive, wordy, TL;DR argument about how Nassib was actually THE MAN. I guess we can use long form fan fiction and Preseason Game Balls to evaluate players instead of PFF scores.
Sanchez was on IR so his quality was a moot point.SMU_Sox said:
Nassib was third string behind Curtis Painter and the Giants went out and signed Josh Freeman this offseason, so it would be pretty tough to argue he's the man.soxfan121 said:
Similarly, if Garoppolo's third string and inactive behind Mallett all year, we can safely assume he's not ready for prime time. If he can seize the backup job earlier than expected, it's a more interesting argument.
Baka's got like an hour left, right?
EDIT: No one's going to get pissed at me for mentioning Jones, Freeman, Painter, and Sanchez, are they? Technically they are in this draft.
If one's fantasy of football includes Curtis Painter, it's a pretty shitty fantasy.Super Nomario said:
So am I. If someone's on IR, they have no contribution. What did Travis Kelce contribute to the Browns last year? If they're on IR in real life, I think we have to assume they're on IR in RFP.SMU_Sox said:
... I'm not disagreeing with you. My point is we have a frame of reference for Sanchez. IR or no IR it doesn't matter. If he is on the IR obviously we know how to evaluate that. If he is not on the IR we have his past seasons to try to guess at his performance. In other words we can assume production from him and other veterans based on their past results, and other relevant factors like age, injury, etc. The question was how to evaluate QBs who didn't play or don't start. Sanchez was mentioned. I answered how to guess at his production - but Sanchez is just one of many veteran QBs who didn't play last year. My answer to Sanchez is not just applicable to him. The real life IR applies to us. No arguments. I think I didn't make my point clearly.
Are you just laying the groundwork for how you're going to argue up McCown's performance next season if Glennon wins the starting job? Are you going to use his career record or his great 5-game stretch from last year?SMU_Sox said:
P.S. bakahump's 6 hours are up; I PM'd W(NW)