Pick #38- Jordan Walsh

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I really want to get the nickname "The Vampyre" for Walsh, due to his resemblance to Klaus Kinski in Nosferatu: The Vampyre" but I'm concerned it's in bad faith.
Embarrassed to say that is exactly who I thought of.
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It's not his fault but I will basically always associate Charlie V with the now decade+ slide of the Pistons franchise that was really caused by the championship players aging out but coincided with Joe Dumars' famous Day 1 signings of Charlie and Ben Gordon.
 

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Embarrassed to say that is exactly who I thought of.
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Yeah like, I really don't want to come off as poking fun at someone's physical appearance, especially one related to a physical condition the person has no control over, but I also think it's a cool as fuck nickname and makes sense the way he jumps out and attacks unsuspecting ball handlers.
 

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Yeah like, I really don't want to come off as poking fun at someone's physical appearance, especially one related to a physical condition the person has no control over, but I also think it's a cool as fuck nickname and makes sense the way he jumps out and attacks unsuspecting ball handlers.
It's a great nickname if he thinks it's awesome, if not it comes across as 4th grade taunting.
 

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No doubt. It is possible to be a bust on the court get still be extremely successful. Charlie is the poster child for this unique combo.
Timothy Mozgov made $87M in his career. God I wish I were 7 feet tall.

I wonder who made the most money in his career without ever winning a playoff series.
 

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Timothy Mozgov made $87M in his career. God I wish I were 7 feet tall.

I wonder who made the most money in his career without ever winning a playoff series.
Mozgov was one of the famous cases after the cap shot way up, right? It’s funny that owners were pushing for a more gradual increase and players pushed back hard so anyone who was a FA made a killing that year and then the subsequent years were not nearly as bountiful, if I recall correctly.
 

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Mozgov was one of the famous cases after the cap shot way up, right? It’s funny that owners were pushing for a more gradual increase and players pushed back hard so anyone who was a FA made a killing that year and then the subsequent years were not nearly as bountiful, if I recall correctly.
Yep. https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/2016-nba-free-agency-was-totally-crazy-mozgov-64m-batum-129m-whiteside-98m-parsons-94m-turner-70m

To maybe answer my own question, Chandler Parsons made $127M in his career. He played in 440 games total and I don't believe he was on a team that won a playoff series (lost three times with HOU).
 

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Mozgov was one of the famous cases after the cap shot way up, right? It’s funny that owners were pushing for a more gradual increase and players pushed back hard so anyone who was a FA made a killing that year and then the subsequent years were not nearly as bountiful, if I recall correctly.
I remember when I was younger and Jon Koncak was the first "JAG big" to get a huge contract. Looking back at those numbers 5/$13m(?) makes you realize how far this game has come. It also created one of the most underrated nicknames of all time....Jon Contract.

Jim McIlvane and Jerome James came after with their 5/$30m(?), Eddy Curry 4/$40, Dampier from Thank You Cuban....and so on and so on. Bigs always would get paid pre-Curry.
 

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I remember when I was younger and Jon Koncak was the first "JAG big" to get a huge contract. Looking back at those numbers 5/$13m(?) makes you realize how far this game has come. It also created one of the most underrated nicknames of all time....Jon Contract.
I still remember the Sports Illustrated article referring to him as Jon Bleepin’ Koncak.
 

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I still remember the Sports Illustrated article referring to him as Jon Bleepin’ Koncak.
The fascination with size funneled down to college and HS too. We had a 6-7 senior make our HS team (that was big in RI back then)....who legit never played before in his life. I grew up with him, he didn't even play a pickup game in our town, didn't even have a hoop in his driveway nor did he play intramural coming up. He "maybe" touched a ball in gym class a couple times.

The first time he laced sneakers up was our first practice as a senior, he obv had no skills, then in our first game the coach checks him in to defend the length of the court inbounds pass protecting a 1-pt lead w :00 showing on the clock (back then if the buzzer hadn't sounded there was still a fraction left), they set a down screen as the inbounder runs the baseline and our rookie barrels over the kid for a foul and they hit both FT's. I'm still not over it and the kid never stepped foot on the court again before quitting the team before Christmas.
 

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Yep. https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/2016-nba-free-agency-was-totally-crazy-mozgov-64m-batum-129m-whiteside-98m-parsons-94m-turner-70m

To maybe answer my own question, Chandler Parsons made $127M in his career. He played in 440 games total and I don't believe he was on a team that won a playoff series (lost three times with HOU).
Chandler Parsons... I remember him being in the news a lot and it wasn't until a bit after he left the game I realized none of it were for his exploits on the courts. I think he was fine-ish to above average, but a lot of the media coverage he got was about him trying to recruit, or doing podcasts or being an affable teammate. That 2016 FA was wild.
 

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The fascination with size funneled down to college and HS too. We had a 6-7 senior make our HS team (that was big in RI back then)....who legit never played before in his life. I grew up with him, he didn't even play a pickup game in our town, didn't even have a hoop in his driveway nor did he play intramural coming up. He "maybe" touched a ball in gym class a couple times.

The first time he laced sneakers up was our first practice as a senior, he obv had no skills, then in our first game the coach checks him in to defend the length of the court inbounds pass protecting a 1-pt lead w :00 showing on the clock (back then if the buzzer hadn't sounded there was still a fraction left), they set a down screen as the inbounder runs the baseline and our rookie barrels over the kid for a foul and they hit both FT's. I'm still not over it and the kid never stepped foot on the court again before quitting the team before Christmas.
I said I was sorry.
 

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I remember when I was younger and Jon Koncak was the first "JAG big" to get a huge contract. Looking back at those numbers 5/$13m(?) makes you realize how far this game has come. It also created one of the most underrated nicknames of all time....Jon Contract.

Jim McIlvane and Jerome James came after with their 5/$30m(?), Eddy Curry 4/$40, Dampier from Thank You Cuban....and so on and so on. Bigs always would get paid pre-Curry.
My brother went to Colgate so I always love to reference that Adonal Foyle contract…

Also remember laughing at 7/22 or whatever for Travis Knight who was basically prehistoric Luke Kornet.
 

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Crazy that Jon Koncak and Joe Kleine were picked back to back at #5 and #6 in that 1985 draft. Neither of those guys even sniff the 2nd round today
 

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To maybe answer my own question, Chandler Parsons made $127M in his career. He played in 440 games total and I don't believe he was on a team that won a playoff series (lost three times with HOU).
I think this may end up being Zach Lavine. He'll have earned about 300 million in his career and unless he's dealt - no guarantee - he'll only have been to one playoffs, which he lost 1-3.
 

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Honorable mention for Tracy McGrady. He's far better than the other the other guys mentioned and still earned more ($163M) despite playing in an era with a much lower cap, but the asterisk is that his team did finally win a playoff series in his final year, which counts even if he played 0 regular season games and only 6 playoff games (31 total minutes) for the 2013 Spurs.
 

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Honorable mention for Tracy McGrady. He's far better than the other the other guys mentioned and still earned more ($163M) despite playing in an era with a much lower cap, but the asterisk is that his team did finally win a playoff series in his final year, which counts even if he played 0 regular season games and only 6 playoff games (31 total minutes) for the 2013 Spurs.
Kemba Walker probably runs away with it if Jordan offerred him the max he wanted, only season he won a playoff series was 1st with BOS, no chance he wins one in CHA.
 

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Too funny! Thanks for the replies folks.

P.S. I'm kind of shocked that McGrady never won a playoff series for real.
It is kind of hard to believe (for the early to mid 2000s, he was neck and neck with Kobe as the best wing in the game). Injuries just killed him, both directly (his back basically ended his career as an all-star level player at just 28) and indirectly (Yao Ming and Grant Hill each made 5 all-NBA teams, but were never healthy at the same time as McGrady). Really pretty sad to watch.

As an aside - Jayson Tatum is McGrady, if you gave him dunk contest level athleticism, followed closely by Larry Bird's back.

*edit - his playoff stat line from ages 21-28 is pretty fucking bonkers for it's era:

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Not the most efficient shooting in the world, but he could fill up a box score with the best of them.
 

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It is kind of hard to believe (for the early to mid 2000s, he was neck and neck with Kobe as the best wing in the game). Injuries just killed him, both directly (his back basically ended his career as an all-star level player at just 28) and indirectly (Yao Ming and Grant Hill each made 5 all-NBA teams, but were never healthy at the same time as McGrady). Really pretty sad to watch.

As an aside - Jayson Tatum is McGrady, if you gave him dunk contest level athleticism, followed closely by Larry Bird's back.

*edit - his playoff stat line from ages 21-28 is pretty fucking bonkers for it's era:

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Not the most efficient shooting in the world, but he could fill up a box score with the best of them.
And he had that absolutely insane comeback where he scored like 10 points in 30 seconds against the Spurs.
 

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And he had that absolutely insane comeback where he scored like 10 points in 30 seconds against the Spurs.
That and Sleepy Floyd's 30-pt 4Q, or whatever it was, are my two favorite non-Celtics playoff sequences of all-time.
 

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McGrady had like 3 game 7 losses in 5 years I think, just could not drag a bunch of not good teams to the 2nd round, came close but not quite.
 

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Crazy that Jon Koncak and Joe Kleine were picked back to back at #5 and #6 in that 1985 draft. Neither of those guys even sniff the 2nd round today
Probably not, but if you knew you were getting 800+ games out of them they'd be worth it.

Also, Joe Kleine hit as many 3 pointers in 93-94 as Ben Simmons has in his entire career.
 

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Probably not, but if you knew you were getting 800+ games out of them they'd be worth it.

Also, Joe Kleine hit as many 3 pointers in 93-94 as Ben Simmons has in his entire career.
Kleine hit a three pointer?
 

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He’s this generation’s Popeye Jones.

But he does look VERY close to NoHo Hank (an all time great character)
 

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Timothy Mozgov made $87M in his career. God I wish I were 7 feet tall.

I wonder who made the most money in his career without ever winning a playoff series.
According to chatgpt:

As of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, the NBA player who earned the most money but never won a playoff series is Joe Johnson. Throughout his career, Joe Johnson earned a significant amount of money, playing for various teams such as the Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, Atlanta Hawks, Brooklyn Nets, Miami Heat, Utah Jazz, and Houston Rockets. Despite his individual success and impressive earnings, he never won a playoff series. Please note that this information is accurate up until September 2021, and there might have been changes or developments since then.

It is wrong.
 

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According to chatgpt:

As of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021, the NBA player who earned the most money but never won a playoff series is Joe Johnson. Throughout his career, Joe Johnson earned a significant amount of money, playing for various teams such as the Boston Celtics, Phoenix Suns, Atlanta Hawks, Brooklyn Nets, Miami Heat, Utah Jazz, and Houston Rockets. Despite his individual success and impressive earnings, he never won a playoff series. Please note that this information is accurate up until September 2021, and there might have been changes or developments since then.

It is wrong.
Iso Joe won a ton of playoff series with Atlanta on those Horford/Josh Smith/Bibby teams. Who wrote that?
 

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Walsh had a solid showing in his first SL. He played the kind of defense that was expected, hit the three ball at 37.5%, showed some ability to put the ball on the floor and drive, and also showed the awareness to dish the ball off those drives at the right time. He has great energy, and is extremely competitive. I won’t be surprised when he plays himself into the back of the rotation this season, especially if he can continue to improve his stroke from three.
 

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I won’t be surprised when he plays himself into the back of the rotation this season, especially if he can continue to improve his stroke from three.
I liked what I saw too. "Back of the rotation" feels like a somewhat ambitious ceiling though, especially considering he's a young 19 years old. His dribble struck me as a bit high and loose, he had a few really ugly turnovers, and he got swallowed up inside a couple of times by defenders.

I'm definitely bullish on him however. Love the way he gets those really long arms out on defense and moves his feet laterally. We may have gotten the #25 pick in the draft even after trading it away ...
 

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Walsh had a solid showing in his first SL. He played the kind of defense that was expected, hit the three ball at 37.5%, showed some ability to put the ball on the floor and drive, and also showed the awareness to dish the ball off those drives at the right time. He has great energy, and is extremely competitive. I won’t be surprised when he plays himself into the back of the rotation this season, especially if he can continue to improve his stroke from three.
In his interviews, he also seemed unusually mature and level-headed for a one-and-done.
 

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His dribble struck me as a bit high and loose, he had a few really ugly turnovers, and he got swallowed up inside a couple of times by defenders.
The Celtics could never accept having a wing with these issues in their rotation.