Pick #38- Jordan Walsh

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Very Heat-esque. I bet Brad regrets passing on Strus in favor of Tacko to this day.
Always thought this was a case of Davonte Green vs Max Strus...? I recall they converted Strus from a 2 way to a standard, then Green beat him out for the standard spot.
 

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Always thought this was a case of Davonte Green vs Max Strus...? I recall they converted Strus from a 2 way to a standard, then Green beat him out for the standard spot.
We've had this discussion before (see, e.g., https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/16-days-in-january-determining-trade-deadline-activity.35490/page-10#post-4839251). Some folks believe that Strus would have stayed on a two-way if the Cs had parted with Tacko.

I always thought the Cs weren't interested in keeping both Javonte Green and Strus but seeing this Westerholm article from that time - https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/10/boston-celtics-tacko-falls-two-way-deal-puts-max-strus-javonte-green-in-competition-for-final-roster-spot.html - maybe that was correct.

But then again, if the Cs keep Strus and cut Tacko and then Strus hurts his knee (like he did in CHI), maybe we don't end up with either Strus or any of the Tacko minutes that we loved and cherished.
 

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This Reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/192n685/jordan_walsh_tough_shot_maker/?rdt=65124 - is from someone who apparently watches Maine's games and says that Walsh isn't just shooting wide-open 24 footers. He includes a couple of videos of Walsh shooting, including one that looks to be 30-ish feet and Walsh drains it pretty effortlessly.

He also includes a video of a bad sequence from Walsh.
5 game sample size on the 41.7%. For the season he's at 36% from 3 on 121 attempts. Showing flashes for sure with the shot which is encouraging, but the overall offensive game is still pretty rough.
 

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Walsh is a long way away from what I've seen. The defense isn't even there yet. If the defense was there, he'd probably be getting some minutes with the big club.

The one thing I've seen from him that I have liked is that he can finish at the rim even with dudes around him. (Not that he can get there by driving closeouts -- it's only in transition.)
 

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Walsh is a long way away from what I've seen. The defense isn't even there yet. If the defense was there, he'd probably be getting some minutes with the big club.

The one thing I've seen from him that I have liked is that he can finish at the rim even with dudes around him. (Not that he can get there by driving closeouts -- it's only in transition.)
It's basically a redshirt year for Walsh. Let's hope he carve out a role with the parent club next season.
 

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Selfishly hope he gets sent back before the Friday game in Maine after having a great 4th quarter against SA but I expect he'll hold in Boston through the homestand.
 

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I don't know how anybody could have watched Summer League and thought Jordan Walsh would contribute at the NBA level this season.

Defense is his calling card and the footwork + body didn't look close to NBA-ready. He has some lengthy physical tools that will play when he fills out. Maybe he'll develop the Corner3 & get there eventually

I enjoy seeing young players get a chance, so hopefully he gets some garbage time minutes. BUT Joe does have a mature, deep bench that wants to play, contribute, and get contracts next season.
 

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I don't know how anybody could have watched Summer League and thought Jordan Walsh would contribute at the NBA level this season.

Defense is his calling card and the footwork + body didn't look close to NBA-ready. He has some lengthy physical tools that will play when he fills out. Maybe he'll develop the Corner3 & get there eventually

I enjoy seeing young players get a chance, so hopefully he gets some garbage time minutes. BUT Joe does have a mature, deep bench that wants to play, contribute, and get contracts next season.
IDK, I watched the wraiths that OKC runs out there (SGA, Holmgren, Joe, Giddey, etc.) last night and he seems more physically developed than them, and they're really good basketball players. Skill development is what he really needs, hopefully he's getting that in Maine.
 

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IDK, I watched the wraiths that OKC runs out there (SGA, Holmgren, Joe, Giddey, etc.) last night and he seems more physically developed than them, and they're really good basketball players. Skill development is what he really needs, hopefully he's getting that in Maine.
sure shooting & dribbling a basketball helps, figured that was understood.

BUT if he is going to be a defensive menace, like Jordan was billed, then he needs to grow & be able to move his feet
 

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Yeah it's a combination. Some size wouldn't hurt him because he plays wing, but his athleticism is great. The skills need a lot of growth. And there's also a bit of a Bambi factor. He looked pretty lost even in SL. Reminded me of early Nesmith but even worse. Poor reads on both ends. Game was moving too fast for him. Getting reps in Maine is a great first step in solving that problem, one of the few things that the G league is good for developmentally IMO. If he gets any minutes in Boston, we'll see if he looks more locked in and makes better reads.
 

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Nice first game for Jordan. The rebounds fell into his lap, but he didn't fumble them away. He wasn't running around like a maniac (Nesmith year 1), he was in control.

Good first step for the rookie.
 
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I was at the game and his debut got a great crowd reaction. People were really pulling for his one shot to go in, but nice way for him to ease into real game action.
 

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I can only imagine the level of jacked-up a guy must feel when taking his first shot in the NBA. Whatever mechanics you've worked on probably out the door the second the ball hits your hands in shooting position.
 

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Scal and Mike were excited for him as well. And the team on that last possession was definitely hunting him a shot. Nice to see.
 

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Love that it is off of two feet, almost jumps past the basket, and the certainty he was taking it all the way. Good for him.
 

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Could we be talking about this dunk as Jordan Walsh’s only basket as a Boston Celtic? The only sense his drafting made was to showcase him without exposing him for the purpose of being a deadline asset.
 

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Hauser in the opp corner also was pumped. I think he jumped up with both fists raised above his head. And you would have a hard time convincing me that Brissett didnt engineer that (at least from the point he got the rebound and saw Jordan starting to sprint off to his right). He was gonna do everything he could to get the kid a bucket. Pretty cool when your talking about the 10th ish guy who probably woulda loved the bucket himself.
 

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Jordan is averaging 6.5 points 6.5 assists, 19.6 rebounds, and 3.3 steals (per 100 possessions) and has a 152 ORtg and 103 DRtg (also per 100 possessions).
 

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Could we be talking about this dunk as Jordan Walsh’s only basket as a Boston Celtic? The only sense his drafting made was to showcase him without exposing him for the purpose of being a deadline asset.
Given Boston's payroll stratification I'm not sure there is any deal out there for them. Honestly the only real need they'd have is a Pritchard upgrade, but I'm not seeing any way for them to get one (e.g. Caruso). Any guy they trade for has to make less than ≈ $8.5 million, and would require them to send out so many warm bodies that it immediately complicates things.
 

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Given Boston's payroll stratification I'm not sure there is any deal out there for them. Honestly the only real need they'd have is a Pritchard upgrade, but I'm not seeing any way for them to get one (e.g. Caruso). Any guy they trade for has to make less than ≈ $8.5 million, and would require them to send out so many warm bodies that it immediately complicates things.
This. Walsh’s biggest asset is not his play, it’s his ability to carry top end talent due to his cost. If he can somehow morph into a 3 and D guy, great, but that’s not really his main contribution.
 

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Any guy they trade for has to make less than ≈ $8.5 million, and would require them to send out so many warm bodies that it immediately complicates things.
Agreed, but I think it's still possible. One scenario that checks out on Sportrac's checker is Caruso for Pritchard, Brissett, and Kornet. The C's could take in Drummond using their exception in a preceding trade and make it a 3-2 swap, where the Bulls don't have to cut anyone.
 

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Agreed, but I think it's still possible. One scenario that checks out on Sportrac's checker is Caruso for Pritchard, Brissett, and Kornet. The C's could take in Drummond using their exception in a preceding trade and make it a 3-2 swap, where the Bulls don't have to cut anyone.
Oh, yeah, I forgot that Drummond was in Chitown. That would work. Of course, losing Brissett actually hurts.
 

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Is Caruso strong enough to cover 4s? I thought he was more DWhite type build.
I intentionally said "some". He is probably closer to White than Jrue, but if tasked with covering the occasional 4 he can hold his own. Brissett is fine, but it's not as if he is Jaden McDaniels out there or anything
 

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This. Walsh’s biggest asset is not his play, it’s his ability to carry top end talent due to his cost. If he can somehow morph into a 3 and D guy, great, but that’s not really his main contribution.
I legit don't know what this means. If he can contribute at all someday, then yes that contribution at a super low cost would be great. If he's never good enough to get on an NBA court, then he has no value at all. It's not like they need him to meet a salary floor or minimum roster size (they're well over).
 

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I legit don't know what this means. If he can contribute at all someday, then yes that contribution at a super low cost would be great. If he's never good enough to get on an NBA court, then he has no value at all. It's not like they need him to meet a salary floor or minimum roster size (they're well over).
I'm not sure what was meant either. This season, Walsh could have some value as a trade piece, although my guess is that the value is fairly low, and Stevens may prefer to dish out a couple of 2nds instead.

Walsh becomes potentially less value as a trade piece when the trade aggregation rules kick in, although I do think teams under the 2nd apron can still accept minimum salaried players in a trade without worrying about the cap implications. He basically becomes the equivalent of a MLB-style "prospect", whose value could increase or decrease over time. But he costs the Celtics nothing to keep him on the ass end of the roster until he is either traded, finds a role on the team, or eventually leaves via free agency. In that respect, he is more valuable to the Celtics than a Banton or a Mykhailiuk.

I am still intrigued. He'll definitely be given run in Summer League and the 2nd halves of preseason games. Upside for next season is that he breaks into the Top 12, which basically means he gets bench minutes when 2 or more starters are out (like we've seen with Brissett and even Banton [one start] this season).
 

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I legit don't know what this means. If he can contribute at all someday, then yes that contribution at a super low cost would be great. If he's never good enough to get on an NBA court, then he has no value at all. It's not like they need him to meet a salary floor or minimum roster size (they're well over).
It is that he is cheap so they have space under the cap for their expensive players, I think.
 

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I like comparing Walsh to Peyton Watson on Denver. Watson's just a year ahead (drafted in '22).

-Both were high level recruits, similar body type. Watson measured an inch taller, they have nearly identical standing reach and wingspan (half inch different - Watson taller on standing reach, Walsh has him on the wingspan). I don't think either is a significantly greater athlete than the other (though I could be wrong). Watson seems like the better ball handler, both have the rep for being active defensively.
-Both didn't score a ton as freshmen. Watson played even less than Walsh did - just 12 minutes per game on a very good UCLA team. Walsh got 24 minutes for a good Arkansas team
Watson: 32.2% FG / 22.6% 3FG / 68.8% FT
Walsh: 43.3% FG / 27.8% 3FG / 71.2% FT

As a rookie - Watson's G-League shooting stats weren't very good, but he got a some late season run with Denver:
GLeague (just 7 games): 45.8% FG / 14.3% 3FG / 78.4% FT
NBA (just 186 minutes) : 49.2% FG / 42.9% 3FG / 55% FT - total of 59 FG and 14 3FG.

Almost all of his NBA production came after February his rookie year. He made a grand total of 3 field goals prior to then.

I don't think anyone a year ago would have predicted this out of Watson, based on what he had done in College and GLeague - he's still got a negative BPM but there's obvious promise with him.

I think it's unlikely next year Walsh matches what Watson is doing this year, that's a pretty big climb Watson took. And Oct 2024 Walsh will also be 6 months younger than Watson was on opening day 2023. But I think we can have some hope Walsh is on a similar track.