I bet it's the fumble play. I think the plays get coded by what a player's inital assignment is, and even though usually the QB doesn't block anybody, plays where they hand off are coded as "run block" (Luck had 358 "run block" plays this season). So I think it's gets put under "run block" even though his great play had nothing to do with blocking. Similarly, a WR catching a pass then fumbling gets marked under "pass" and a DB missing a tackle after a receiver caught a ball is marked under "coverage," as I understand it.DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:Yeah no idea. I don't remember Luck dropping any key blocks (or blocking at all for that matter). They ran the read option once, but Luck kept the ball (so that shouldn't matter) and then there was the strange fumble on the goal line which he recovered and ran in. But again neither of these were blocking plays but they were the only 'different' plays that I could think of that may have accounted for something else other than your typical Pass/Rush.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:It's also worth noting that Luck had a -1.5 pass rating over the course of the entire season and a -0.2 this weekend. Almost all of his value comes from his legs. If the Pats can keep him in the pocket they should be pretty successful.
Although he does obviously have the ability to throw the ball with the best of them. Most evidently by the second half comeback (which still had 2 INTs, PFF chose right after the first pick to show his difference in grades).
I don't think they should give much A gap pressure because of what you said. The ends have to stay disciplined and keep contain. I think they should widen their splits a bit on the DL to make it easier for them to stay outside.mascho said:Early thoughts on this matchup. I'm watching the Colts-Rams game from earlier this season which the Rams won big. Indy's interior OL is a big weakness. McGlynn got abused all day and whiffed on multiple stunts. Thornton was running around like a, well, overmatched rookie. Some of this is due to the focus they put on bottling up Robert Quinn but I think A gap pressure might be something to consider. (Of course, that might allow Luck to escape the pocket and make plays with his legs if you can't get him down).
Jer said:Wait, Talib is terrible in pass coverage but a solid run defender? Am I reading this wrong?
Reverend said:
This has come up before and it's what many of us think is a problem in their system (and lots of other statistical views, for that matter). SN can explain better, but you get or lose points based on what happens on plays you are near. Talib may well end up losing points for being put on tough assignments where the offense will often succeed, so in effect, he gets a net negative for being the best CB on the team.
Statistics in football for most positions have always been limited in this way. Did Deion Sanders suck because of his low INT totals that occurred because QBs wouldn't throw his way? Does a defender who draws double and triple teams suck because he has low sack/hit totals, even if his teammates make the play because he drew extra men?
The Chandler Jones discussion SN and phragle are having in that other thread speaks to this as well with respect to getting to the QB versus playing containment. I'm fine with PFF offering another view of the data, but football quality seems to be so, I dunno, "not linear," I guess is the best way I know how to put it.
loshjott said:
Very few people outside of Indy or the Manning household will be rooting for Luck vs. Manning rather than Brady vs. Manning. Every regular season match up is hyped to a ridiculous extent and Brady vs. Manning in the AFCCG Part III with each guy 1-1 will explode the NFL hype machine.
Finally someone for Hightower to cover.mpx42 said:The Colts just signed Deion Branch.
No, really.
mpx42 said:The Colts just signed Deion Branch.
No, really.
Reverend said:
This has come up before and it's what many of us think is a problem in their system (and lots of other statistical views, for that matter). SN can explain better, but you get or lose points based on what happens on plays you are near. Talib may well end up losing points for being put on tough assignments where the offense will often succeed, so in effect, he gets a net negative for being the best CB on the team.
Finally, someone that Hightower and Spikes can stay with in coverage.mpx42 said:The Colts just signed Deion Branch.
No, really.
Embedded!shoosh77 said:Just wait until Branch intentionally fumbles a ball, and takes off his Colts jersey to reveal a Pats one underneath, WWE style.
Those aren't necessarily the only options - you could also have a bunch of plays where Talib or Dennard had crappy coverage but the QB made a bad throw or the WR dropped the ball. But I do think there's a disconnect. Also, PFF posts their ratings before the all-22 is released. They suggest they look at some plays afterwards with the all-22, but I don't get the impression it's everything, and I'm skeptical of judging DB play without the all-22.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:Yup. And not only do the PFF ratings fail to capture these situational aspects of football, they also often just don't pass the smell test as an aggregation strategy or even jibe with other statistics (which PFF usefully provides). For example, Talib and Dennard are 74th and 76th among qualifying CBs by PFF's coverage assessment. Yet they are 21st and 43rd by opponent's passer rating on throws against them and 21st and 22nd by target completion percentage. Either Talib and Dennard have really, really sucked on plays that they're not targeted - somehow their coverage has been worse when they're not targeted than when they have been targeted, which makes zero sense whatsoever - or something is seriously fucked up with PFF's coverage ratings.
I agree 100%. Their stats on slot performance, coverage charting, QBs under pressure, etc. are indispensable but the ratings need to be taken with a pretty big grain of salt.Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:After spending a fair amount of time on that site over the last year, I'm pretty convinced that PFF's player ratings are the least useful (and most opaque) information that they provide. The stuff on target outcomes as well their other statistics that don't involve adding up subjective assessments of 1s and 0s is much more useful.
shoosh77 said:Just wait until Branch intentionally fumbles a ball, and takes off his Colts jersey to reveal a Pats one underneath, WWE style.
RedOctober3829 said:Patriots need to sign Edgerin James. Him and Branch have the same amount left in the tank.
The Indianapolis Colts today agreed to terms with wide receiver Deion Branch, elevated wide receiver Josh Lenz from the practice squad to the active roster and released defensive tackle Christian Tupou from the practice squad. The team also placed defensive end Fili Moala and cornerback Greg Toler on Injured Reserve.
ShaneTrot said:
New England Patriots @Patriots1m
We've placed LB Brandon Spikes on season-ending injured reserve with a knee injury: http://bit.ly/1kmC5Ym
drleather2001 said:HE'S GOING TO REVEAL THE BLUEPRINT!
ShaneTrot said:
New England Patriots @Patriots1m
We've placed LB Brandon Spikes on season-ending injured reserve with a knee injury: http://bit.ly/1kmC5Ym
I thought I read somewhere that this was a possibility. Seems like his knee was balky for a little while and he was managing the pain. Fletcher, Collins need to step up.jsinger121 said:Wow. That is a stunner.
That's what I was thinking. The big run stuffers on this team have been Vince, Mayo and Spikes. Now they are all down.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
FUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK
Well, that's all of them.
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
More importantly Toler is on IR. Colts DB depth is getting real thin.
ShaneTrot said:That's what I was thinking. The big run stuffers on this team have been Vince, Mayo and Spikes. Now they are all down.
New Orleans, but they aint gonna get there.dcmissle said:
House money.
When we get to the SB, which of the 4 left does not have a good to terrific running game?
I'm in the same boat. I say wear it, and find some time to rewatch highlights from the 2004 playoffs.Jnai said:My gameday Pats jersey has been a Deion Branch for a few years. Now that he's playing for the Colts, do I wear it or not?
ifmanis5 said:Weather seems like it'll be fine-ish. Low 40's chance of rain and not windy.
http://www.wunderground.com/sports/NFL/hometeam/New_Englandatriots.html?st=1389474900