NY in 2015: Looking Ahead
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jon abbey said:
I don't deny that. All of these non-tender guys have issues. That is why they get non-tendered.
You take a chance on these guys.
Joel Sherman is not a fan of Cabrera:
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/skilled-available-shortstop-also-a-faded-juiced-stained-pothead/
http://nypost.com/2014/12/03/skilled-available-shortstop-also-a-faded-juiced-stained-pothead/
jon abbey said:
Took it to mean that SDP felt Cabrera got by on his athleticism and not a high baseball IQ, and now that they feel he's lost some of that athleticism, they were comfortable moving on.
RAB examines Everth Cabrera in-depth, not sure how much of an option he really is. Promising but in reality subpar bat, dubious D, world-class speed at the shortstop position? That reminds me almost exactly of the late and not lamented Eduardo Nunez:
http://riveraveblues.com/2014/12/scouting-free-agent-market-everth-cabrera-111100/
http://riveraveblues.com/2014/12/scouting-free-agent-market-everth-cabrera-111100/
BigMike said:
I agree with this. I'll also add that Robertson is able to repeat his delivery with relative ease while Miller seems to easily get out of whack. Robertson has also proven he can stay on the field where Miller hasn't. I think that's worth the extra coin.
As mentioned before, it really seems like they are weighing the draft pick compensation highly. I approve. Miller might not be as sure a thing as Robertson, but he is very good. I think the risk is acceptable, even if they have go four years. Especially if he is cheaper than Robertson, who I also think will get four years.
rembrat said:
Well, Miller used to have a problem with his mechanics getting out of whack, but since the Sox pitching coaches significantly simplified his delivery last year he has been much more consistent which has both halved his walk rate and significantly boosted his K/9 numbers....
Headley has a 4/65 offer on the table. Apparently from Miami???
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4415/chase-headley
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4415/chase-headley
I guess at the end of the day I think 4/40 is absolutely absurd for Miller, and if it happens it will blow up in the face of whomever signs him.
maybe a 6 million dollar gap is to much. there probably won't be that big of a gap when they sign
maybe a 6 million dollar gap is to much. there probably won't be that big of a gap when they sign
rembrat said:
I'd prefer Robertson. Miller dropped his walk rate to nearly half career levels and there isn't really any indication why.
But I'm not sure I'd sign either. The Yankees shouldn't be wasting big money on a reliever when Betances,Kelley,Warren are a nice core. Maybe sign a cheap guy with some upside.
Update with the Gregorius trade:
C: McCann
1B: Teixeira
2B: Refsnyder
SS: Gregorius
3B: Prado
OF: Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran
DH: A-Rod
SP: Tanaka, Pineda, Sabathia, Phelps, Warren (?)
RP: Warren (?), Esmil Rogers, Whitley, Jose Ramirez, Lindgren, Wilson, Kelley, Betances
bench: Young, Romine/Murphy, Ryan, ????
They definitely need to add a SP now.
C: McCann
1B: Teixeira
2B: Refsnyder
SS: Gregorius
3B: Prado
OF: Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran
DH: A-Rod
SP: Tanaka, Pineda, Sabathia, Phelps, Warren (?)
RP: Warren (?), Esmil Rogers, Whitley, Jose Ramirez, Lindgren, Wilson, Kelley, Betances
bench: Young, Romine/Murphy, Ryan, ????
They definitely need to add a SP now.
Update with the Miller signing:
C: McCann
1B: Teixeira
2B: Refsnyder
SS: Gregorius
3B: Prado
OF: Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran
DH: A-Rod
SP: Tanaka, Pineda, Sabathia, Phelps, Warren
RP: Esmil Rogers, Whitley, Jose Ramirez, Lindgren, Wilson, Kelley, Betances, Miller
bench: Young, Romine/Murphy, Ryan, ????
Not really sure if Warren can be stretched out after a year in short relief, but it seems like that is where he is most needed currently.
C: McCann
1B: Teixeira
2B: Refsnyder
SS: Gregorius
3B: Prado
OF: Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran
DH: A-Rod
SP: Tanaka, Pineda, Sabathia, Phelps, Warren
RP: Esmil Rogers, Whitley, Jose Ramirez, Lindgren, Wilson, Kelley, Betances, Miller
bench: Young, Romine/Murphy, Ryan, ????
Not really sure if Warren can be stretched out after a year in short relief, but it seems like that is where he is most needed currently.
I agree that NY should ideally have a by-the-book closer behind Betances and Miller and allow them to go multiple innings at times, but I don't think they should spend on a 'proven' candidate, but instead try to find one in-house. Warren would be first in line if he wasn't needed more in the rotation currently, Justin Wilson or Lindgren could maybe earn a shot with a couple of strong months to open the season, they have some other promising candidates in the minors. Let's not forget Betances wasn't even a lock to make the roster last spring, people thought Jose Ramirez (also still around) had better stuff than him coming into last season.
Edit: Although if they can get someone on a one year deal, that is a lot more palatable. A 38 year old Jason Grilli for two years as has been rumored, though? No thank you.
Edit: Although if they can get someone on a one year deal, that is a lot more palatable. A 38 year old Jason Grilli for two years as has been rumored, though? No thank you.
Heh, classic exchange here:
"Earlier today, Scott Boras said that Max Scherzer would give the Yankees a World Series caliber rotation. Cashman laughed when he heard the quote.
“Good,” he said. “That means he likes the four we’ve got.”"
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2014/12/10/day-3-yankees-notes-rod-relievers-infielders-rule-5
"Earlier today, Scott Boras said that Max Scherzer would give the Yankees a World Series caliber rotation. Cashman laughed when he heard the quote.
“Good,” he said. “That means he likes the four we’ve got.”"
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2014/12/10/day-3-yankees-notes-rod-relievers-infielders-rule-5
jon abbey said:
Cashman forgets he needed 12 last year because nobody could stay healthy and effective except the 39 yo. Good luck trying to duplicate that one. Definitely need a premium innings eater to replace Kuroda, or better yet, supplement him
Sure, so you try to dig up a couple of guys like Brandon McCarthy (mid-2014 version) or Phil Hughes (post-2013 version) or Masterson (the one BOS just signed), not agree to whatever bloated price Boras thinks he can get Scherzer. Check out this quote from a Sherman piece yesterday:
"Lester’s total gives a figure for Scherzer and agent Scott Boras to try to exceed. Actually smash. Because Boras is aiming much higher. When I suggested seven years at $175 million to him in October, he all but doubled over laughing."
http://nypost.com/2014/12/10/the-big-winners-losers-and-questions-of-the-jon-lester-signing/
I have no idea where he is getting that from now that DET seems to have pulled out of the bidding, but he seems to pull it off more often than not. It will be fascinating to watch play out, certainly.
"Lester’s total gives a figure for Scherzer and agent Scott Boras to try to exceed. Actually smash. Because Boras is aiming much higher. When I suggested seven years at $175 million to him in October, he all but doubled over laughing."
http://nypost.com/2014/12/10/the-big-winners-losers-and-questions-of-the-jon-lester-signing/
I have no idea where he is getting that from now that DET seems to have pulled out of the bidding, but he seems to pull it off more often than not. It will be fascinating to watch play out, certainly.
Someone will pony up and give Scherzer 8/$200 or so. Maybe part of it will be in a vesting option for the 8th year like Lester's 7th year with the Cubs, but he'll get his money from someone.
Maybe the Giants? They reportedly offered Lester $168M, it's not hard to imagine them stretching a bit farther for Scherzer.
Maybe the Giants? They reportedly offered Lester $168M, it's not hard to imagine them stretching a bit farther for Scherzer.
Much as I hate to remember it, December '08/summer '09 stand in marked contrast to this.jon abbey said:
I'm not saying it's impossible or that every player instantly sucks after they sign big deals (although that exact scenario seems to happen more than expected), but there are plenty of examples on the other side of that ledger in recent years too as I'm sure you're well aware.
Also it's pretty rare that guys who are close to sure things for the subsequent few seasons even make it to FA anymore, like Sabathia/Teixeira in your example. Lester is another, Cano also, I think everyone would have bet on Pujols being one also but he has produced only 10.6 bWAR in his first three seasons (22.5 in his last three in STL) and still has 7 more years on his deal at age 34.
Also it's pretty rare that guys who are close to sure things for the subsequent few seasons even make it to FA anymore, like Sabathia/Teixeira in your example. Lester is another, Cano also, I think everyone would have bet on Pujols being one also but he has produced only 10.6 bWAR in his first three seasons (22.5 in his last three in STL) and still has 7 more years on his deal at age 34.
Lindgren is also someone like Wilson and Miller who you wouldn't consider a lefty specialist because of his ability to get both lefties and righties out, I still just doubt Girardi carrying three lefties in the bullpen.
Update with the Headley signing (not quite definite, but seems to be happening):
C: McCann
1B: Teixeira
2B: Prado
SS: Gregorius
3B: Headley
OF: Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran
DH: A-Rod
SP: Tanaka, Pineda, Sabathia, Phelps, Warren
RP: Esmil Rogers, Whitley, Jose Ramirez, Lindgren, Wilson, Kelley, Betances, Miller
bench: Young, Romine/Murphy, Ryan, ????
That seems to bounce Refsnyder back to AAA for the time being, although Prado could play RF and Beltran DH also if A-Rod can't hit anymore. They still need to add some kind of SP, but I think they're close to done for now.
C: McCann
1B: Teixeira
2B: Prado
SS: Gregorius
3B: Headley
OF: Gardner, Ellsbury, Beltran
DH: A-Rod
SP: Tanaka, Pineda, Sabathia, Phelps, Warren
RP: Esmil Rogers, Whitley, Jose Ramirez, Lindgren, Wilson, Kelley, Betances, Miller
bench: Young, Romine/Murphy, Ryan, ????
That seems to bounce Refsnyder back to AAA for the time being, although Prado could play RF and Beltran DH also if A-Rod can't hit anymore. They still need to add some kind of SP, but I think they're close to done for now.
Hahaha, no. They don't even think that a 39 year old A-Rod can field his position at 3B, let alone SS. I think Gregorius will get every chance and if he's that bad, they'll try to upgrade at the trading deadline or next offseason, and they have Brendan Ryan if he needs days off.
Opening Day infield 2014: Teixeira, Brian Roberts, Jeter, Kelly Johnson
Opening Day infield 2015: Teixeira, Prado, Gregorius, Headley
That seems like a massive improvement, C and OF will be the same and A-Rod will likely be back as a DH option.
Opening Day infield 2015: Teixeira, Prado, Gregorius, Headley
That seems like a massive improvement, C and OF will be the same and A-Rod will likely be back as a DH option.
jon abbey said:
People gave Jeter a hard time for his fielding. Jeter would look like Ozie Smith compared to ARod out there at this point. On the good side, I suspect if you did force him to play SS, he'd be injured and off the roster within a week.
I must admit I will be pretty stunned if ARod can do anything successfully on a baseball field anymore
