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In fairness the Blazers three G lineup hasn’t been working well, so getting a player big enough to play F is probably an actual upgrade for them.
 

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In fairness the Blazers three G lineup hasn’t been working well, so getting a player big enough to play F is probably an actual upgrade for them.
Yes and Yes. Ariza is a far better fit for how the Blazers lineup worked together last season than Bazemore. I expect Whiteside to be the next shoe that drops once they get some combination of Nurkic, Collins, and Labissiere back if not sooner.
 

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In fairness the Blazers three G lineup hasn’t been working well, so getting a player big enough to play F is probably an actual upgrade for them.
Vlade helping out their WC compatriots. It would be nice if he shipped Bjelicia to Boston for some young flotsam and jetsom

The three players coming back from Sacramento are making a combined $15.7 million. So the Blazers will save about $2.5 million in salary the rest of the season and, more importantly, have shaved nearly $10 million off their tax bill for a total savings of $12.5 million, according to research by my ESPN colleague Bobby Marks.
 

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The Blazers have a backcourt with two guys barely 6’2” starting. The 6’4” Bazemore has been a Kyrie... errr... net negative for them. It’s not like Bazemore has been some offensive wunderkind, neither player contributes much offensively, but Ariza’s still a net positive defensively. So ultimately Ariza is just a better fit and he helps them save money to boot.
 

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The problem for the Blazers - and to be fair they have nothing to lose in making these moves - is that Ariza has looked washed for a few seasons now. I mean, I am not sure the value he used to bring as a key three and D guy is even there anymore for threes or D...
 

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The problem for the Blazers - and to be fair they have nothing to lose in making these moves - is that Ariza has looked washed for a few seasons now. I mean, I am not sure the value he used to bring as a key three and D guy is even there anymore for threes or D...
Yes, both guys are offensive disasters, but Ariza at least contributes defensively whereas Bazemore can’t.
 

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Yes, both guys are offensive disasters, but Ariza at least contributes defensively whereas Bazemore can’t.
Ariza's defensive metrics have fallen a lot from his peak. He is better than Bazemore for sure but the delta between the two isn't that large based on statistics. Still, I agree that Ariza fits better with Portland. But that bar is very low.
 

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Yeah, when you’re the Blazers saving a little cash while getting a better fit is a no-brainer. I was just disputing the notion that they were tanking by unloading a G with a TS% of .475 that can’t defend anymore.
 

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Ariza's defensive metrics have fallen a lot from his peak. He is better than Bazemore for sure but the delta between the two isn't that large based on statistics. Still, I agree that Ariza fits better with Portland. But that bar is very low.
Do you feel any of this has to do with him playing with teammates from Phoenix, Washington, and Sacramento over the past two years? He serves no purpose on those teams and he's a guy who desperately requires an identified role on a winning team to provide any value.
 

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Do you feel any of this has to do with him playing with teammates from Phoenix, Washington, and Sacramento over the past two years? He serves no purpose on those teams and he's a guy who desperately requires an identified role on a winning team to provide any value.
Sure, some of it is playing for bad teams. But he appeared to be slowing while in Houston as well.

Its no knock on the guy - he is 34 going on 35 and has slowed down. Based on your posting, I suspect you don't buy as much into age related decline as some of us do. I do think that ex-LeBron, most wing types tend to be exposed more in the current game than they were back in the 80s or 90s. But I haven't seriously looked at the data to prove that.
 

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Sure, some of it is playing for bad teams. But he appeared to be slowing while in Houston as well.

Its no knock on the guy - he is 34 going on 35 and has slowed down. Based on your posting, I suspect you don't buy as much into age related decline as some of us do. I do think that ex-LeBron, most wing types tend to be exposed more in the current game than they were back in the 80s or 90s. But I haven't seriously looked at the data to prove that.
It depends on their skill set and role but I do believe that Age-related decline in 2020 is far different than it was in 2000 and even than in 2010. I mean I’ve been lol’ing about LeBron’s “decline” for a half dozen years now and 34 isn’t old in this league for a role player/3&D guy.

When I look at a player like Ariza who relies so much on his teammates I place pretty much zero relevance on his metrics over the past two seasons in dysfunctional situations.
 

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Can we get a trade deadline thread or something? This is the MEM thread yet I have to learn about a POR/SAC trade in here
With half of the season over we have 5 tank teams (GSW, Wizards, Cavs, Knicks, Hawks).

Memphis, record-wise, is ahead of another 11 teams (Orlando, Nets, Pistons, Bulls, Hornets, Spurs, Suns, Blazers, Pels, Wolves, Kings). Just trying to keep an eye on teams that can rope in the Grizz.
 
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With half of the season over we have 5 tank teams (GSW, Wizards, Cavs, Knicks, Hawks).

Memphis, record-wise, is ahead of another 11 teams (Orlando, Nets, Pistons, Bulls, Hornets, Spurs, Suns, Blazers, Pels, Wolves, Kings). Just trying to keep an eye on teams that can rope in the Grizz.
Yea, I get it. Just would be good to have all trades in a central spot. - and if the discussion filters into this thread because it impacts playoff/tanking implications so be it
 

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Dwight Powell going down was a huge loss for the Mavs and they are in no position to stand pat. They were going to get another big even before that injury. Now Clint Capela has a bad heel so its possible that the Rockets join the trade or buyout markets for a big.

I seriously think that Ainge will target another scorer via a trade and scour the streets for a buyout big (Willie Reed who just signed with Salt Lake of the G League after getting out of his European contract?).

There is more supply of the former and the cost for some of these guys is manageable. Meanwhile, any bigs that are going to be available will be flawed at best - not sure you want to send any kind of assets for a traditional big.
 

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for a 2nd round pick

#@^$%#&%#%$# me...Danny wake up

VP better do something besides wear fashionable pants
The problem is that VP is a negative asset, with his guaranteed 2nd year, so the Celtics would have to send out more than Dallas did. The Celtics also clearly don't think much of Cauley-Stein--they've had plenty of opportunities to snag him and have shown no interest.

Signing VP to the 2-year rather than a 1+1 was a big miss by the front office, and goes against their usual MO with Euro bench guys.
 

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The problem is that VP is a negative asset, with his guaranteed 2nd year, so the Celtics would have to send out more than Dallas did. The Celtics also clearly don't think much of Cauley-Stein--they've had plenty of opportunities to snag him and have shown no interest.

Signing VP to the 2-year rather than a 1+1 was a big miss by the front office, and goes against their usual MO with Euro bench guys.
The C's probably have TL eventually penciled into 3rd Center, I just don't trust Rob's health.

I'm not sure the front office would declare their 4th string center a "big miss" 60 minutes into his NBA career. Especially at $2.5MM for next season. It's not like they burned a 1st round draft pick on him or paid him Yabusele money. If he sucks by year-end he becomes trade ballast/filler. We'll probably see a little more of Vincent while EK is out, as we did last night.

The Warriors always needed that roster spot and just wanted a 2nd rounder. So sending VP was never really an option

Nice deal for Dallas after losing Dwight Powell for the season.
 

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The C's probably have TL eventually penciled into 3rd Center, I just don't trust Rob's health.

I'm not sure the front office would declare their 4th string center a "big miss" 60 minutes into his NBA career. Especially at $2.5MM for next season. It's not like they burned a 1st round draft pick on him or paid him Yabusele money. If he sucks by year-end he becomes trade ballast/filler.

The Warriors always needed that roster spot and just wanted a 2nd rounder. So sending VP was never really an option

Nice deal for Dallas after losing Dwight Powell for the season.
The problem is that they’ll likely be in the tax, so that 2.5 starts to matter. Not the biggest mistake, but it’s weird they’d make an exception to SOP for him.
 

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The problem is that they’ll likely be in the tax, so that 2.5 starts to matter. Not the biggest mistake, but it’s weird they’d make an exception to SOP for him.
Brad will probably continue to give VP 10mpg with EK out and see if he can add anything. Last night, throwing him in against an All-Star, Vucevic, was a tricky spot. VP's hands were a bit slick, not many rebounds stuck to them, ugh :oops:

At least Grant showed us something, he's been pretty pedestrian as a 5 before last night.

As much as I've wanted the C's to add cheap depth at the 5 (since before the season), its a fringy move. So your right that the C's front office didn't think pursuing WCS was worth the pick. GSW probably had him on the block for over a month (they didn't want to cut Chriss as SRN has noted before)

Willie Cauley-Stein going for a late 2nd rounder just re-affirms my belief that spending money on centers isn't a great idea and you can build the 5 through multiple cheap veterans. So I'm very skeptical of the national media reports that they had any serious interest in Drummond, Love or Tristen Thompson. Moving Hayward for Adams, as Perk suggested, would be a brain dead move.
 
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Any possibility they could bring back Jerebko? I know he's not necessarily a center but he plays with heart, is decent from outside and has enough height and quickness to offer some of what the Celts need on the cheap. He's in Europe at the moment.
 

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Any possibility they could bring back Jerebko? I know he's not necessarily a center but he plays with heart, is decent from outside and has enough height and quickness to offer some of what the Celts need on the cheap. He's in Europe at the moment.
Whom in their top 7-8 does he replace? This makes little sense to me.
 

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Yep, I thought he played some C for the W's last year. He's 6'10" and while he's not a banger, he's quick, long and can cover the perimeter. He can also score from the perimeter.

Just throwing a name out there who might be available and IMO could fill a role, I'm not going to die on the Jerebko wall.
 

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Yep, I thought he played some C for the W's last year. He's 6'10" and while he's not a banger, he's quick, long and can cover the perimeter. He can also score from the perimeter.

Just throwing a name out there who might be available and IMO could fill a role, I'm not going to die on the Jerebko wall.
Yeah, I like the thought of center depth, just don't think he does anything better than Grant at that position. Grant even holds his ground and contests vertically better.
 

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I wonder if the Celtics, for all their talk about small centers and big wings, actually prefer strong, bulky guys at the center position.

Kanter is one of the biggest and strongest guys in the current NBA. Baynes (since departed) is, too. Poirier looks much bigger than his listed weight. Theis is not so tall but he is definitely strong and fairly bulky. Grant is the same. Robert Williams is no widebody, but he does have good strength and holds his position well.
 

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I wonder if the Celtics, for all their talk about small centers and big wings, actually prefer strong, bulky guys at the center position.

Kanter is one of the biggest and strongest guys in the current NBA. Baynes (since departed) is, too. Poirier looks much bigger than his listed weight. Theis is not so tall but he is definitely strong and fairly bulky. Grant is the same. Robert Williams is no widebody, but he does have good strength and holds his position well.
Yeah, the Brad smallball thing is an inaccurate impression: he prefers to have big, burly boys at the 5 even when he's messing around with 2-3 small guards. In his ideal world, I think everyone would be a Baynes/prime Amir type.

I'm really interested to see what the team does this summer with the midlevel available.
 

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Yeah, the Brad smallball thing is an inaccurate impression: he prefers to have big, burly boys at the 5 even when he's messing around with 2-3 small guards. In his ideal world, I think everyone would be a Baynes/prime Amir type.

I'm really interested to see what the team does this summer with the midlevel available.
It's going to be an interesting summer. With the Jay's leap and Kemba, they have their BIG3.
An improving Theis will be back, his confidence along with his role is growing.
I hope that they can rope in EK at 3yrs for $15-20MM.
The midlevel can be used for an experienced, veteran ring chaser (who is the James Posey out there?)

Hayward will be the lightning rod. I hope he plays well the rest of the way. Then Danny can possibly work out an S&T with the GSW and use D Lo + Celtic young players + 2020 draft picks to add the finishing pieces to a 2021 championship contender.
Yep, I thought he played some C for the W's last year. He's 6'10" and while he's not a banger, he's quick, long and can cover the perimeter. He can also score from the perimeter.

Just throwing a name out there who might be available and IMO could fill a role, I'm not going to die on the Jerebko wall.
Yea. I'd like more versatile depth at the 5. Jerebko isn't a bad idea since he'd just cost money, can shoot, is a good guy, and a veteran that wouldn't grumble while on the bench.

He played 16.7mpg over 73 games on the best roster in the NBA last season. Jonas can play.
Maybe lovegtm can drive over to Moscow and pack his bags.

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Signing VP to the 2-year rather than a 1+1 was a big miss by the front office, and goes against their usual MO with Euro bench guys.
Sometimes your hands are tied. I’m sure Ainge had to guarantee the 2nd year to get him over here to the states.
 

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Sometimes your hands are tied. I’m sure Ainge had to guarantee the 2nd year to get him over here to the states.
Yeah, I figured that as well. Just sucks, and a good example of why you don't break your rules unless you're really sure of a guy.

That said, enough of my hand-wringing. He's an expiring next summer anyway.
 

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I'm already pre-pissed at the lakers incoming bullshit, lop-sided, title guaranteeing trade. It's coming, i can feel it.
 

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Does two months’ worth of DeMarcus coming off (another) devastating lower body injury really move the needle for anyone?

If anyone could use Boogie positionally it’s the Celtics — how many here would take him on the Cs roster for the rest of this season, at zero cost?
 

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Does two months’ worth of DeMarcus coming off (another) devastating lower body injury really move the needle for anyone?

If anyone could use Boogie positionally it’s the Celtics — how many here would take him on the Cs roster for the rest of this season, at zero cost?
Not I.
 

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Does two months’ worth of DeMarcus coming off (another) devastating lower body injury really move the needle for anyone?

If anyone could use Boogie positionally it’s the Celtics — how many here would take him on the Cs roster for the rest of this season, at zero cost?
He'd be matching salary ballast. Very unclear how/why you think he'd be useful on the Celtics, even at 0 cost.

Celtics decision tree for center:
- Can defend post against Embiid? If yes, proceed. If no, stop.
- Can provide depth by defending reasonably and executing DHO/seal offense reasonably? If yes, proceed. If no, stop.

The only game the Celtics have lost this year because of center issues was the 2nd Philly one. It blows my mind that there's still this narrative that that's the big problem.
 

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What about using the Memphis pick to try to get a better player whether it's a big or another scorer? That pick does not look like it will be all that high so if you can get a good piece with it now I'd rather do that then get another mid-round 1st round player who may or may not develop into a good player.
 

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What about using the Memphis pick to try to get a better player whether it's a big or another scorer? That pick does not look like it will be all that high so if you can get a good piece with it now I'd rather do that then get another mid-round 1st round player who may or may not develop into a good player.
The issue is that they don't have a ton of financial space going forward, so you really don't want to use a ~#15 pick for a rental. Generally the price for a vet rental is more in the low first range, and I think that's where they'd look to move from if they go that route.
 

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What about using the Memphis pick to try to get a better player whether it's a big or another scorer? That pick does not look like it will be all that high so if you can get a good piece with it now I'd rather do that then get another mid-round 1st round player who may or may not develop into a good player.
The issue is that since the acquiring team doesn't know where that pick will be, means they cannot assign a value to it.
 

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He'd be matching salary ballast. Very unclear how/why you think he'd be useful on the Celtics, even at 0 cost.

Celtics decision tree for center:
- Can defend post against Embiid? If yes, proceed. If no, stop.
- Can provide depth by defending reasonably and executing DHO/seal offense reasonably? If yes, proceed. If no, stop.

The only game the Celtics have lost this year because of center issues was the 2nd Philly one. It blows my mind that there's still this narrative that that's the big problem.
I mean, that was my point: no one, not even one in need of a full-size C, is likely to find Cousins useful this season in his current state.

In answer to your questions, I’d actually say yes on both counts, if we’re talking about a notional fully healthy Boogie who’s had some time to marinate in Stevens’ system on both ends of the floor. But we’re pretty obviously not talking about that guy.