He has size and appears to be very good from three. His salary seems reasonable as well. Seems like an interesting target although I have no idea if he can play defense or who would have to be moved to get him.
NBA trade deadline 2020
- Thread starter benhogan
- Start date
Snell can shoot open threes well. It’s basically the only thing he does well. About the only scenario I can see being interested in him is if we make another trade that leaves us with open roster space and if he is bought out.
I like Capela and think he would be meaningful upgrade on our current center rotation, but given the lack of depth on the roster after our main five guys, Bertans and Bjelica are the pieces I'd much rather see Danny go after. They don't have the size to match up with elite bigs, but there aren't that many of those in the league anyway. Bjelica and Bertans can both get you some minutes as a small ball 5, while raining threes at an efficiency that nobody on our current bench comes close to sniffing.
Bertans would be a perfect get. He's not going to bang with Giannis or Embiid but he does have size and more importantly he can also bomb threes.
I went and watched some possessions with him in San Antonio last year (less of a trash fire defensive ecosystem). He has great length and moves his feet surprisingly well. Not strong obviously, but that matters less and less in today’s game.
Salary wise he’s easy to fit with VP plus basically anyone (excluding Edwards, Green, etc.).
In terms of what we’d give up, I’d assume either Romeo and the Bucks pick or the Memphis pick alongside the salary component (Ojeleye or Wanamaker if Romeo isn’t included). I’m not sure that’s enough, but either version is a serious offer.
Basically any combination of players totaling $4M or more gets it done
Edit- so Langford and anybody, Poirier and G. Williams, Poirier and Semi. 3 of the cheap guys. Kanter and anything. Only cheap guy who can't go is Wanamaker who I doubt waives his defacto no trade.
I think that would give us the ability to re-sign him though, even if over the cap. Not entirely sure.
I'd gladly give up Lanford for multiple years of Bertans. A rental? Ugh.
The main issue with dealing Bertans from a Washington standpoint - and as a C's fan I'm a big advocate for acquiring him - is the message it sends to Beal, who just signed a long-term extension to stay with the Wizards. I listened to a few different podcasts with Lowe and Woj yesterday, and they summed this argument up by pointing out that Beal has played his ass off for a terrible Wiz team, and Bertans is one of the only competently supporting players on the roster. Dealing him for a young player and a pick might be wise from a GM standpoint, but could really piss off the team's only star player going in to a summer when there will be a lot of teams looking to add talent via trade at a time when Beal will once again be eligible to be dealt.
Again, not sure if it was Woj, Lowe or Windhorst, but one of them pointed out that the Wiz might actually go the other way and try to add talent at the deadline given that they are only 4.5 games behind Orlando for the 8 seed.
Beal is really the only good thing happening on the Wizards roster, unless you're really bullish on Bryant/Wagner, so appeasing him has to be a high priority for the organization right now. Given how Beal, his agent, and his fiancé reacted to his not making the All Star team, it doesn't seem like a good time to dick around with him.
From a Boston standpoint, to give up anything meaningful beyond a first, you'd want some sense of where Bertans' head is at going forward regarding an extension.
Again, not sure if it was Woj, Lowe or Windhorst, but one of them pointed out that the Wiz might actually go the other way and try to add talent at the deadline given that they are only 4.5 games behind Orlando for the 8 seed.
Beal is really the only good thing happening on the Wizards roster, unless you're really bullish on Bryant/Wagner, so appeasing him has to be a high priority for the organization right now. Given how Beal, his agent, and his fiancé reacted to his not making the All Star team, it doesn't seem like a good time to dick around with him.
From a Boston standpoint, to give up anything meaningful beyond a first, you'd want some sense of where Bertans' head is at going forward regarding an extension.
Multiple years of Bertans at rookie scale, sure. But what will his FA price be?
Yahoo had some made up trades and they had PHI getting Bertans for not much. If this is anywhere near what it takes, BOS beats this easily without even including Langford
In: Davis Bertans
Out: Zhaire Smith, Kyle O’Quinn and New York’s 2020 second-round pick
In: Davis Bertans
Out: Zhaire Smith, Kyle O’Quinn and New York’s 2020 second-round pick
Bertans comes with bird rights, but yeah, that's a trade you make if ownership says they're okay going deep into the luxury tax.
I also think it would mean Hayward is gone one way or another after the season. You don't do that deal if you aren't going to pay Bertans, and you can't pay Bertans (for more than a season) with Hayward in the salary structure.
Bertans solves a lot of Celtic issues (which probably means it's not happening 
)
BUT if Danny adds Bertans, you can pair him with strongman Granite to create a balanced 4/5
VP/Carsen/Semi/1st for Bertans beats Philly deal
pick up another 5 in the buyout market in a month if need be (or maybe TL finally gets healthy)
)BUT if Danny adds Bertans, you can pair him with strongman Granite to create a balanced 4/5
VP/Carsen/Semi/1st for Bertans beats Philly deal
pick up another 5 in the buyout market in a month if need be (or maybe TL finally gets healthy)
We all want Hayward to stay healthy and play well. Which means he's gone this summer, hopefully, a S&T lessens the blow. Resigning 27yr old Bertans helps.
Langford was a lottery pick (okay, really late, but lottery). Giving up a lottery pick and a first rounder (okay, a late one) for a rental to a team that would lose the player anyway seems like a lot. Is the assumption that Bertrans would likely leave Washington this summer?
As a Houston fan I would love to see the Rockets get a great return for Capela. As a Celtics fan I would hate for it to be from them.
Is there a by-law about waiting to re-acquire a traded player to avoid gaming the cap scams or other hanky-panky?
Too many contenders were trading end-of-rotation players with buyout cash only to re-sign them after they were bought out. So the NBA decided that if you traded a player in one calendar year you could not re-acquire him from the team you sent him to (including that player being waived) until the following calendar year. I believe that the restriction goes away, though, if the team you trade the player to trades him to a third team.
I like the idea of Bertans or Poeltl both because I’m not convinced Capela is a huge upgrade relative to the acquisition cost and with Theis, Kanter, and TL all having been banged up this year it seems important to have another big that can play actual NBA minutes. If Theis’s ankle is worse than let on last night, Poirier has to play rotation minutes.
Poltl? Meh. I guess he has an ok jump shot from 10-16 but he doesn't use it much and he can't hit a FT to save his life. He's not threat at all from three. Pretty good defender but doesn't seem like much of an upgrade.
But do we need another scoring small forward? I thing we have to address size. We will struggle against the bigger rebounding teams.
1. 5 depth. TL is a question mark health-wise. VP is unknown
2. Theis/Kanter injury insurance.
3. Productive bench piece.
4. Cheap contract.
5. Spurs are going nowhere, so JP may be available on the cheap. He's entering RFA
6. His adv metrics say he is efficient
7. Experienced vet with playoff exp
8. Bench centers are not costly to acquire. I'm not sure what SAS would ask for but if it's anything more than filler+Mil pick or filler+Carsen+ you move on
Shooting (Bjelica/Bertans) is a higher priority.
Watching Kanter hobble around last night, then Theis get popped in the face twice + twisted his ankle it's concerning.
Why take the risk of being forced to play Vincent Poirier when you can add a cheap, experienced 5?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/poeltja01.html
because I don't think he's very good but if it's for like a 2nd rounder or Carsen Edwards, ok.
Like you said, it's more insurance than acquiring a need. If everyone's healthy, does Poltl even play?
Like you said, it's more insurance than acquiring a need. If everyone's healthy, does Poltl even play?
I think there's room to disagree on Bertans, but suggesting he's a small forward is a stretch. He's 6'10 and has played 74% of his minutes this season at power forward. To be fair, he's played 20% at SF, but has been a negative on the floor at that position. In his other NBA seasons, he has spent at least 90% of his time on the court at PF.
We can call him a big in today's NBA, or we can get more specific and say he's a four. But he's 2 inches taller than Theis and 10ish pounds heavier depending on the source you look at.
He's not a true center, but he does marginally address the C's need for size.
Moreover, he addresses the complete lack of competent offensive players/3 point shooting off the bench this season, which to me is more important.
I agree with all of this.
Bjelica and Poeltl in and Poirier and CE out? Mil and a second or two goes also? Sign me up.
I know it is yahoo, and they are just throwing shit out there, but they proposed a Bogdanovic + Holmes deal which I kind of like. Kanter + Langford + Poirier + pick(s) gets you there
CC, It's matchup dependent. Trust Brad to get the most out of him, he blocks shots/rebounds.
The NBA center position is like middle relief, mix/match, go cheap, multiple arms due to attrition.
82games + Playoffs is a beating for Centers with the pace of the modern game.
Danny, in pre-game last night, was enthusiastic with their 3-headed monster at the 5.
Unfortunately, we can't trust VP or expect TL to ever be healthy to take the wear/tear of playing 5. YMMV
I understand your points which are well made. I would prefer to look at Hassan Whiteside a truly dominant center who is on an expiring contract and could be available either for rent this season or long term in contract negotiation.
While I doubt Poetl is quite as untouchable as Spurs fans would lead one to believe, is there any reason to think he’s particularly available? He’s young, cheap and plays a position of dire need for them. They’d be looking for young guys and/or picks, and I wouldn’t be particularly happy giving up Granite. Would people here do Romeo + TimeLord or picks?
I’d assume he’s gettable based on the fact he’s an impending RFA (so about to get expensive) that’s 9th on the team in minutes (17 per game). For a team that’s not looking likely to make the playoffs, you’d expect he’d be getting more minutes if SA viewed him as a future foundational piece. I wouldn’t trade Langford by himself, let alone TimeLord for him, but would have no problem sending SA the Milwaukee pick or the C’s own first rounder.
1. RFA at seasons end, so quite a bit different than Granite (RFA in 4yrs)
2. Aldridge and Lyles start, both signed for next season, so I don't see the dire need to keep JP around for a team that stinks
3. JP plays 17mpg (9th on team)
4. a bench 5 would be cheap to sign this offseason
All that being said, the Spurs made a franchise-altering trade of Kawhi/Green for DeRozen/Poetl. The PR/image blowback by dealing JP to the Celtics for flotsam + draft pick* may be too much to take for a team in decline.
*Granite, Romeo would never be offered for a 3rd string 5
Last edited:
agreed...JP probably won't even get all that expensive in RFA (guessing less than $5MM/yr)
I don’t think they view him as foundational, I just figured he made more sense to the Spurs as a cheap and youngish option. But I was mostly assuming the Spurs will be going into rebuilding mode and looking to move Aldridge in the offseason, and given the franchise's history, that might well be wrong. If they don't plan on blowing it up, extending or matching Poeltl probably doesn't make sense, especially if someone like Schlenk overpays in a really weak upcoming FA class. If the Spurs are thinking along those lines, Danny might be able to swing some combo of the non-Memphis picks + flotsam, which is fine for half a year of Poeltl when our frontcourt depth has been a concern.
Does it make sense to have a trade deadline news thread and this one can be for people who want to come up with trades they would do were they the Celtics GM?
IMO, It would be helpful to have a place to discuss deals with actual credible sources saying that they are possible.
IMO, It would be helpful to have a place to discuss deals with actual credible sources saying that they are possible.
You did not at all and nobody needs to apologize. Some of the names discussed here thus far aren't being reported as on the block. They aren't bad ideas per se but we should probably have a thread to discuss reported potential deals too.
As far as Poeltl is concerned, I just scanned Twitter and this is the only thing that came up from a blue-checked account:
View: https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/1224803859048140802?s=20
Jabari Young
@JabariJYoung
· 4h
Also, teams calling #Spurs about Jakob Poeltl, asking price too high. May come down as Thursday’s deadline nears.... #NBATradeDeadline @CNBC #sportsbiz
Judging from the Spurs' fans' responses to the tweet, Tatum + Memphis pick might get it done. I haven't watched the Spurs much this year, so I really wonder what this guy is doing to merit Smarf-like fan reverence.