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Agreed, although that’s a pretty specific point of overlap. It really creates a fun platform for a conversation.
Yeah, I mean either the lawyer is really selling his client as a devout Christian above reproach, or Brown is a particularly perverse prick.
 

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I suspect AB's characterization of their relationship and the details of the events she mentions and other she hasn't will be quite different.

Her evidence is a crude text message that appears to be the later part of some larger dialogue?
 

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People seem to forget Edleman was accused of forcibly fingering a girl at Storyland. Surveillance and witness evidence proved otherwise. https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/15/sex-assault-charges-against-julian-edelman-dropped/amp/.

Who knows what happened. All humans can be deceitful. Antonio Brown seems like a self centered POS, but I don't know how anyone can choose a side without knowing more evidence. Making blanket statements of "believe all women" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Woman-Falsely-Accused-Brian-Banks-Rape-Ordered-to-Pay-26M-211689741.html?amp=y,
too me, is the same as saying "all troops are heros. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/23/usa.iraq. We are all corrupted by our affiliations. I find it ironic how our current culture scrutinizes every piece of evidence over an entire season of Making a Murderer, but in celebrity/political cases we are so quick to instinctively choose sides.
 

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Like everyone here, I have no idea if AB did this or not. What I do know, without question, is AB is a piece of shit. A talented piece of shit, no doubt, but undoubtedly one, and the Pats are already talented and well coached enough to be defending SB champs. Sunday's game, without AB, proved just how good they are again. In BB we trust, but I have no idea why he'd want to bring in a toxic player like AB to risk what they already have. In this case, the risk is so much greater than the reward.
 

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Not shocking. Dude is friends with 45. We have a rapist in the white house so why would he care about what AB Haynesworth or anyone else did?

She's willing to cooperate from all accounts so...yeah I'm not sure how many guilty women do that. Once again its time to give all women the benefit of the doubt. He could possibly be innocent sure...but you have to assume guilt for now.
What kind of dystopic land do we live in now is that we have to assume guilt for any accusation? Have all the people who spout this "believe the women" nonsense stopped to think that if their mantra became widely followed, incentives for women would raidically shift in the other direction and the number of false accusations will soar?

Take all accusations seriously. Investigate them thoroughly. Respect women.

Never blindly believe anyone.
 

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I’ve been up and down this thread expressing reservations about this signing, pointing out risks that make it unlikely he’ll last very long. On balance, I would not have done it.

On this element, I smell a rat and basic fairness kicks in, if lawyerly fairness. Depriving a person of his livelihood based on a civil lawsuit is generally bullshit and especially so when NFL players are involved.

If his representatives offer our team a persuasive explanation, I hope the Pats will stand by him. Even though the media will pair Bawb the human trafficker with Antonio the rapist. And then I hope Brown and the team destroy this League on the field.
I am with DCmissile on this. This accusation is a tipping point after a month of ridiculous antics by Brown, but it's too soon to determine if the allegations are true. Without the past month,, if the allegations were hurled at another player. people would have been more patient.
 

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if he is cut, these last four days have been some fever dream, with no change. except oops, we gave up DT... now I have to root he's cooked from a football standpoint.
 

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if he is cut, these last four days have been some fever dream, with no change. except oops, we gave up DT... now I have to root he's cooked from a football standpoint.
And the signing bonus. The most the NFL is likely to do now is place AB on the Exempt List. Which dictates he must be paid his weekly salary, much less the bonus.

If the Pats cut him, that’s on their nickel. The money is likely gone. Please God give me AB’s case before an arbitrator where Robert Kraft tries to claw back a signing bonus based on unproven civil allegations.
 

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And the signing bonus. The most the NFL is likely to do now is place AB on the Exempt List. Which dictates he must be paid his weekly salary, much less the bonus.

If the Pats cut him, that’s on their nickel. The money is likely gone. Please God give me AB’s case before an arbitrator where Robert Kraft tries to claw back a signing bonus based on unproven civil allegations.
Not knowing the terms of the contract, my guess is the Pats have all sorts of outs calculated in to the deal that gets them free without cost for something like this and a dozen other possibilties
 

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Not knowing the terms of the contract, my guess is the Pats have all sorts of outs calculated in to the deal that gets them free without cost for something like this and a dozen other possibilties
NFL contracts are standardized and don’t contain the sort of “out” clauses that you’re envisioning.

 

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I dont think he goes anywhere personally, unless the Patriots dont believe his side of the story, which again IMO, they've probably heard before they signed him. I dont see how the league can put him on a commissioner's list in a civil suit.
 

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No lawsuit while a member of the Steelers, or when traded to Oakland, or when signing a new contract with Oakland, or when putting the Raiders thru hell.

Lawsuit immediately when he signs with the Pats and is $15 million dollars less flush.

Does it really take a full 16 months to get your rape case together? Or can the psyche of the accuser turn on laundry?
Are you seriously implying this? Because that’s bananas.
 

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FWIW, the AB allegations were the top story on the local TV news (Channel 5) this morning. There was no mention of AB’s claim that he is being extorted. Not second-guessing the editorial judgment; just pointing out that unless AB’s claims are swiftly backed by evidence, the Pats may quickly find themselves in an untenable position.
 

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I’m no lawyer but I think that AB should be in jail for the grammar used in those emails.

Did he run them backwards through google translate a few times before sending? Egads.
 

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What kind of dystopic land do we live in now is that we have to assume guilt for any accusation? Have all the people who spout this "believe the women" nonsense stopped to think that if their mantra became widely followed, incentives for women would raidically shift in the other direction and the number of false accusations will soar?

Take all accusations seriously. Investigate them thoroughly. Respect women.

Never blindly believe anyone.
When its rape always believe women. It takes a great amount of courage to do what she did and come forward. Who cares about the time frame? The false accusations rising myth is perpetuated by supporters of 45. Its not based in reality. Reality is more often than not rape goes unreported out of fear of coming forward and no one believing them.
 

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Expecting consistency from the NFL in these matters is obviously a pipe dream. But it seems crazy to put a player on the exempt list on the basis of a civil complaint. Other guys who went on this list (Foster, Vick, etc) had been arrested and went on the list while the criminal justice process played out. Zeke, in contrast, was not put on the list in the period after authorities declined to press charges but while the league investigated.
 

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The NFL can do an investigation without placing AB on the exempt list.

As far as the salary cap implications, it's quite simple: the 2019 cap hit remains as is, as the $9M signing bonus is already amortized over 2 years whether he stays with the team or is cut tomorrow. The $1M guaranteed salary for 2019 is also a sunk cost. The NLBTE incentives obviously go away if he's cut or suspended. And he was never going to see a dime of next season's $20M salary, so that doesn't change.

Doubtful the Pats could get any of it back. Civil complaints, even if found for the plaintiff, probably do not trigger moral turpitude clauses for obvious reasons.
 

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FWIW, the AB allegations were the top story on the local TV news (Channel 5) this morning. There was no mention of AB’s claim that he is being extorted. Not second-guessing the editorial judgment; just pointing out that unless AB’s claims are swiftly backed by evidence, the Pats may quickly find themselves in an untenable position.
3rd story on the national news, behind Bolton and a tornado in SD
 

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People seem to forget Edleman was accused of forcibly fingering a girl at Storyland. Surveillance and witness evidence proved otherwise. https://www.google.com/amp/s/boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/15/sex-assault-charges-against-julian-edelman-dropped/amp/.

Who knows what happened. All humans can be deceitful. Antonio Brown seems like a self centered POS, but I don't know how anyone can choose a side without knowing more evidence. Making blanket statements of "believe all women" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Woman-Falsely-Accused-Brian-Banks-Rape-Ordered-to-Pay-26M-211689741.html?amp=y,
too me, is the same as saying "all troops are heros. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/23/usa.iraq. We are all corrupted by our affiliations. I find it ironic how our current culture scrutinizes every piece of evidence over an entire season of Making a Murderer, but in celebrity/political cases we are so quick to instinctively choose sides.
Storyville for Edelman, a club. The StoryLand makes it sound next level bad.
 

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When its rape always believe women. It takes a great amount of courage to do what she did and come forward. Who cares about the time frame? The false accusations rising myth is perpetuated by supporters of 45. Its not based in reality. Reality is more often than not rape goes unreported out of fear of coming forward and no one believing them.
Meet Brian Banks:

 

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Not shocking. Dude is friends with 45. We have a rapist in the white house so why would he care about what AB Haynesworth or anyone else did?

She's willing to cooperate from all accounts so...yeah I'm not sure how many guilty women do that. Once again its time to give all women the benefit of the doubt. He could possibly be innocent sure...but you have to assume guilt for now.
As one who has been falsely accused of wrongdoing in this area, I can't protest strongly enough against the fact that utter bullshit like the above constitutes socially acceptable discourse.

Credence should be determined by which party can show a greater claim to the truth, not by the content of their DNA. It is a sad state of affairs that people still need to be reminded of this in the 21st century.
 

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When its rape always believe women. It takes a great amount of courage to do what she did and come forward. Who cares about the time frame? The false accusations rising myth is perpetuated by supporters of 45. Its not based in reality. Reality is more often than not rape goes unreported out of fear of coming forward and no one believing them.
Listen, I agree with you to a point. When someone claims they have been the victim of a violent crime, especially one as horrible as this, they deserve the benefit of the doubt and to be believed. False accusations are indeed very rare and constantly using them to dismiss allegations is incredibly troublesome for all sorts of reasons.

That said, there has to be a middle ground between believing victims and not automatically assuming the guilt of the accused. I confess that I don’t really know how to reach that middle ground and find the concept kind of contradictory but that could just be me. What I’m saying is, I agree with what you’re saying, in principal, but I think you might be being a little too literal for lack of a better word.
 
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in terms of believing women, I feel the same way about this as I do about Kavanagh. Nobody is saying AB is going to jail, but how do I feel about rooting for him on Sundays? About the same as I feel whenever they show Kavanagh’s picture on TV. We should be better than having a maybe rapist on the SC, and we should be better than having a maybe rapist catching balls for the Pats. I’m willing to listen to the evidence that he’s being extorted but it better be very compelling or I want him gone. The Pats have six Super Bowls, I don’t need a 7th so bad that I need to hold my nose and root for someone who I strongly suspect is a massive piece of shit.
 

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I dont think he goes anywhere personally, unless the Patriots dont believe his side of the story, which again IMO, they've probably heard before they signed him. I dont see how the league can put him on a commissioner's list in a civil suit.
It’s already been posted that the Patriots did not know.
 

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One can give the benefit of the doubt to women in cases like this without presuming guilt. We could simply say, "Wow, for a woman to come forward with this must mean that there's something serious that needs to be looked into with as much thoroughness as possible" instead of demonizing her or blowing off the claim; and yet do that without saying, "He must be guilty simply because she brought this forward", because we know that sometimes that's not the case.
 

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I’m not a lawyer, but I do have a unique perspective on this that I’m guessing 98% of you don’t. So I’m going to weigh in here.
The thing about all this that doesn’t sit with me is that she went the civil route, and not criminal.

The statute of limitations isn’t up. What is to be gained by going this way and not criminal? I get the burden of proof is lower, but the publicity/awareness of the case isn’t going to be hurt, and will likely be given more credibility.

When I was sexually assaulted I never once thought “I can make money from this” it was “how do I make sure this fucker never does this again.” That it appears she never even went to the police about this and went right to a high profile lawyer instead...man, I don’t know.
 

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Listen, I agree with you to a point. When someone claims they have been the victim of violent crime, especially one as horrible as this, they deserve the benefit of the doubt and to be believed. False accusations are indeed very rare and constantly using them to dismiss allegations is incredibly troublesome for all sorts of reasons.

That said, there has to be a middle ground between believing victims and not automatically assuming the guilt of the accused. I confess that I don’t really know how to reach that middle ground and find the concept kind of contradictory but that could just be me. What I’m saying is, I agree with what you’re saying, in principal, but I think you might be being a little too literal for lack of a better word.
I agree with you. But 2019 isn't the right time for that middle ground. Not with 45 in office and another rapist that got elected to the supreme court. Yes women have lied before but that is most likely 1 to 2% of the actual rape cases out there. This is more inline with the reality. I believe her until the proceedings give me a reason not to.

The NFL is fine with rapists, child abusers, domestic violence, and owners loosely affiliated with sex trafficking yet Colin Kaepernick is still out of the job for taking a knee. In the NFLs eyes taking a knee is worse than all of those crimes. That's what is wrong with America today.
 

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in terms of believing women, I feel the same way about this as I do about Kavanagh. Nobody is saying AB is going to jail, but how do I feel about rooting for him on Sundays? About the same as I feel whenever they show Kavanagh’s picture on TV. We should be better than having a maybe rapist on the SC, and we should be better than having a maybe rapist catching balls for the Pats. I’m willing to listen to the evidence that he’s being extorted but it better be very compelling or I want him gone. The Pats have six Super Bowls, I don’t need a 7th so bad that I need to hold my nose and root for someone who I strongly suspect is a massive piece of shit.
This is pretty much exactly where I'm at. This needs to be settled one way or another asap. As a fan I have zero emotional attachment to Brown as well so really don't care which way this cuts but he needs some lock solid evidence to prove this was consensual and an extortion attempt beyond she continued to hire him.

As for DT I think he was gone regardless of AB. They will need to add OL depth and getting a 6th for a guy you had previously cut isn't bad value given they had to give one up for a player they had cut.
 

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Guilt is a legal concept. If you believe she might be telling the truth how do you square that with Brown be8ng on the Pats. Dude is a millionaire already and we know some other team will pick him up if the Pats cut him. His life isn’t over. He’s not going to jail. I just don’t want him on the Pats just like I wouldn’t want Tyreek Hill or Tyrell Suggs.
 

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As one who has been falsely accused of wrongdoing in this area, I can't protest strongly enough against the fact that utter bullshit like the above constitutes socially acceptable discourse.

Credence should be determined by which party can show a greater claim to the truth, not by the content of their DNA. It is a sad state of affairs that people still need to be reminded of this in the 21st century.
It is a sad point of view — that yes, disproportionately impacts African American athletes, especially football players. Because of their background, more than a few don’t make the wisest choices in their associations. There is sufficient evidence of an ecosystem that says pay me or you are going down.


Beyond Banks, there are Reuben Foster and Marshawn Lynch. And I am still waiting for the Shady McCoy criminal charges.
 

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I agree with you. But 2019 isn't the right time for that middle ground. Not with 45 in office and another rapist that got elected to the supreme court. Yes women have lied before but that is most likely 1 to 2% of the actual rape cases out there. This is more inline with the reality. I believe her until the proceedings give me a reason not to.

The NFL is fine with rapists, child abusers, domestic violence, and owners loosely affiliated with sex trafficking yet Colin Kaepernick is still out of the job for taking a knee. In the NFLs eyes taking a knee is worse than all of those crimes. That's what is wrong with America today.
We should not automatically assume guilt based solely on who is in the White House or in the Supreme Court.

Celebrity extortion is real and has happened before. We know that AB made some very specific and possibly verifiable claims regarding extortion. The world is not worse because Porzingis still plays in the NBA (and that is just one example).

EDIT: I'm not saying the woman's accusations should be ignored or assumed to be false. I just think in a case like this, taking some time (days, not months) to at least make an effort to assess the veracity of her claims and his, and then take the appropriate action. If her claims are at least credible, and his extortion claims appear to be nonsense, then cut him and move on. But I think there's still a lot to learn over the next 24-48 hours; initial reporting is often wrong, and the details matter a lot.
 
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in terms of believing women, I feel the same way about this as I do about Kavanagh. Nobody is saying AB is going to jail, but how do I feel about rooting for him on Sundays? About the same as I feel whenever they show Kavanagh’s picture on TV. We should be better than having a maybe rapist on the SC, and we should be better than having a maybe rapist catching balls for the Pats. I’m willing to listen to the evidence that he’s being extorted but it better be very compelling or I want him gone. The Pats have six Super Bowls, I don’t need a 7th so bad that I need to hold my nose and root for someone who I strongly suspect is a massive piece of shit.
There’s no such thing as a maybe rapist. They either did it, or they didn’t. Just like any other crime. Accusations happen everyday in the workplace. It’s about finding facts that back up the claims. If AB is proven to be guilty, he should be punished. Otherwise, he’s free to play football.
 

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Maybe take a step back from the keyboard today, DC. Black players more likely to make bad associations, black women more likely to extort? Give me a break. We don't need to go with Fox News narratives here to get a point across.

As a complete aside to that, Ralphwiggum's posts above are right on the money with how I feel on this. From a purely football perspective this is at worst the third best team in the league with Edelman/Gordon/Dorsett on the field and the defending champs at that. They can win without AB and it would be a lot more fun to watch at this point, and while I am fine that the burden of proof for putting a person in jail is higher than that, it doesn't need to be to watch them play football. Tyrone Biggums is right that statistically speaking he is more likely guilty than not. The burden of proof is a great argument until you realize that it's quite likely impossible to prove either way - with that stance on this matter he's basically already home free.
 

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Maybe take a step back from the keyboard today, DC. Black players more likely to make bad associations, black women more likely to extort? Give me a break. We don't need to go with Fox News narratives here to get a point across.

As a complete aside to that, Ralphwiggum's posts above are right on the money with how I feel on this. From a purely football perspective this is at worst the third best team in the league with Edelman/Gordon/Dorsett on the field and the defending champs at that. They can win without AB and it would be a lot more fun to watch at this point, and while I am fine that the burden of proof for putting a person in jail is higher than that, it doesn't need to be to watch them play football. Tyrone Biggums is right that statistically speaking he is more likely guilty than not. The burden of proof is a great argument until you realize that it's quite likely impossible to prove either way - with that stance on this matter he's basically already home free.
You don’t make just decisions, which must be individualized, based on statistics.

That’s: it could be true, most likely it is true, so fuck you.
 

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Where is Rosenhaus? Is a 35 year old sports lawyer in charge? Not criminal ? It seems stupid not to have settled this long ago; AB will probably spend a million in legal fees alone. Maybe he's not taking advice, but
the "fake ass hoe" defense clearly needs polishing. I think he needs to study Kobe, who wrote the book on this--hire a prominent female attorney, and write a big check.
 

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It will be interesting to see what the Pats do.

The easiest path, one no doubt tempting to Kraft, is to cut him now and put that signing bonus in the same bin as the Raider’s 3rd and 5th rounders. Immediate closure.

The other path is to follow the League’s lead. I reviewed the Exempt list provision. It gives Goodell apparently unfettered discretion to put him on I t. Then we’re in the never-never land of an NFL mini-trial of the merits, but that buys time and maneuvering room for the Pats. He cannot practice and he cannot play while on that list.

I have a hard time seeing Goodell allowing him to take the field in Miami Sunday as things stand this morning. I’d lay it off on the League and take door 2.
 

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Where is Rosenhaus? Is a 35 year old sports lawyer in charge? Not criminal ? It seems stupid not to have settled this long ago; AB will probably spend a million in legal fees alone. Maybe he's not taking advice, but
the "fake ass hoe" defense clearly needs polishing. I think he needs to study Kobe, who wrote the book on this--hire a prominent female attorney, and write a big check.
You settle once without fighting back, though, and that leaks, you have both an NFL investigation anyway and, more importantly, more people lined up to do the same.
 
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Where is Rosenhaus? Is a 35 year old sports lawyer in charge? Not criminal ? It seems stupid not to have settled this long ago; AB will probably spend a million in legal fees alone. Maybe he's not taking advice, but
the "fake ass hoe" defense clearly needs polishing. I think he needs to study Kobe, who wrote the book on this--hire a prominent female attorney, and write a big check.
If I was accused of something like this and not guilty, there is no chance I wouldn't fight it regardless of how much easier the other path might be.
 

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It will be interesting to see what the Pats do.

The easiest path, one no doubt tempting to Kraft, is to cut him now and put that signing bonus in the same bin as the Raider’s 3rd and 5th rounders. Immediate closure.

The other path is to follow the League’s lead. I reviewed the Exempt list provision. It gives Goodell apparently unfettered discretion to put him on I t. Then we’re in the never-never land of an NFL mini-trial of the merits, but that buys time and maneuvering room for the Pats. He cannot practice and he cannot play while on that list.

I have a hard time seeing Goodell allowing him to take the field in Miami Sunday as things stand this morning. I’d lay it off on the League and take door 2.
NFL union should be screaming bloody murder if a civil claim keeps a player off the field. Criminal investigation? Absolutely should be gone. But given the timing this just feels like a cash grab and a way to inflict pain given that he hasn’t agreed to a payout.
 

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It will be interesting to see what the Pats do.

The easiest path, one no doubt tempting to Kraft, is to cut him now and put that signing bonus in the same bin as the Raider’s 3rd and 5th rounders. Immediate closure.

The other path is to follow the League’s lead. I reviewed the Exempt list provision. It gives Goodell apparently unfettered discretion to put him on I t. Then we’re in the never-never land of an NFL mini-trial of the merits, but that buys time and maneuvering room for the Pats. He cannot practice and he cannot play while on that list.

I have a hard time seeing Goodell allowing him to take the field in Miami Sunday as things stand this morning. I’d lay it off on the League and take door 2.
If he can’t practice or play while on the list, then that seems like a massive distraction that they don’t need.
It will be interesting to see what the Pats do.

The easiest path, one no doubt tempting to Kraft, is to cut him now and put that signing bonus in the same bin as the Raider’s 3rd and 5th rounders. Immediate closure.

The other path is to follow the League’s lead. I reviewed the Exempt list provision. It gives Goodell apparently unfettered discretion to put him on I t. Then we’re in the never-never land of an NFL mini-trial of the merits, but that buys time and maneuvering room for the Pats. He cannot practice and he cannot play while on that list.

I have a hard time seeing Goodell allowing him to take the field in Miami Sunday as things stand this morning. I’d lay it off on the League and take door 2.
I’m sure there is going to be a lot of communication between Pats and league office today. We should know soon if the Pats decide to act independent of the league’s process. But I don’t see much point of keeping him if he’s put on the list.

Everyone thought Tyreek Hill would be done and he obviously isn’t and even got an extension from the Chiefs. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised by basically any action although I’m leaning towards the thought that he remains.
 
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It will be interesting to see what the Pats do.

The easiest path, one no doubt tempting to Kraft, is to cut him now and put that signing bonus in the same bin as the Raider’s 3rd and 5th rounders. Immediate closure.

The other path is to follow the League’s lead. I reviewed the Exempt list provision. It gives Goodell apparently unfettered discretion to put him on I t. Then we’re in the never-never land of an NFL mini-trial of the merits, but that buys time and maneuvering room for the Pats. He cannot practice and he cannot play while on that list.

I have a hard time seeing Goodell allowing him to take the field in Miami Sunday as things stand this morning. I’d lay it off on the League and take door 2.
Bill seems to follow the league’s lead with off the field issues and let them handle themselves. I highly doubt Brown will be cut right now by the Patriots. Bill is more concerned with what they do on the team.
 

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I agree with you. But 2019 isn't the right time for that middle ground. Not with 45 in office and another rapist that got elected to the supreme court.
Tyrone, please stick with football-related issues here. I ask you to refrain from bringing politics in it.

Edit: the V&N is a much more appropriate place to discuss how politics impact (alleged) sex assault cases.
 
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