Liverpool 23-24: The Long Klopp Goodbye
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There's are two very specific numbers floating around on Twitter. 58M and 70M. Scuttlebutt is that he may have a release clause around 60M which Liverpool would trigger.
My guess is that its a minimum of 70M...and honestly, Liverpool should bite the bullet and offer that much quickly.
They would still have around 30M for a defender
The Athletic argues that it’s not the size of Szobo’s feet, but the motion of the boots that make him so good. Lots of fun info in this piece, including his father’s name - Zsolt. What a magnificent name.
Mac Allister's red card has been rescinded. no suspension.
View: https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1694032059272999078
View: https://twitter.com/LFC/status/1694032059272999078
Maybe if they assign the three match ban to the referee and VAR that had their call overturned we’d see the system work correctly.
Lots of noise today about Al Ittihad wanting Salah THIS window and want to make him the highest paid player in the world.
Given they have a week to source a replacement I don’t think that’s happening regardless of how much a stink Salah makes.
But next summer for sure - and then only if they get a suitable offer . Supposedly earlier in the window they valued him at £60m - which is a joke given the transfer fee inflation hugely instigated by themselves.
Part 2 of the plot is the Reds playing another Saudi team on Sunday. Nothing like unsettling your opponents most important player.
Given they have a week to source a replacement I don’t think that’s happening regardless of how much a stink Salah makes.
But next summer for sure - and then only if they get a suitable offer . Supposedly earlier in the window they valued him at £60m - which is a joke given the transfer fee inflation hugely instigated by themselves.
Part 2 of the plot is the Reds playing another Saudi team on Sunday. Nothing like unsettling your opponents most important player.
Time for the big clubs to start feeling like the minnows when it comes to teams throwing money at their big players. For teams like Dortmund or Southampton, it’s part of their economic model. Clubs like Liverpool don’t have plans in place for shit like this. Yet.
There is no replacing Salah and all the things he does for this team on the pitch, in the clubhouse, and in terms of revenue stream.
The attack is the drapery group in the squad, but only if a true 6 comes along so that Gakpo can move back to the 9. And even then, you’re replacing Mo with a combo of players With different styles and strengths. And none of them have Salah’s incredible ability to stay healthy.
Ahhh. Losing Mo now means a year of constant shuffling and covering for injuries in all areas of the pitch.
The attack is the drapery group in the squad, but only if a true 6 comes along so that Gakpo can move back to the 9. And even then, you’re replacing Mo with a combo of players With different styles and strengths. And none of them have Salah’s incredible ability to stay healthy.
Ahhh. Losing Mo now means a year of constant shuffling and covering for injuries in all areas of the pitch.
He misses either/both those shots 100 times out of 100 last year. Let’s home this turns the tide for him. Reds had no business winning that game.
Buzz today that Al- Ittihad will make a ~£130m bid for Salah. I don’t think that gets LFC to the table - but up that north of £150m and I think they’d have to listen.
I’d do that in a heartbeat. I love me some Mo. his is the only LFC shirt I’ve owned. But he’s on the wrong side of 30 now. £150m for that? Done.
But man, would that hurt/be sad.
Liverpool’s Virgil van Dijk charged by FA over reaction to red card at Newcastle
I have an issue with the DOGSO rule (If Isak was so free to run on goal, how did he get fouled in the first place?) but I'm fine with the red card. It is the rule. I think an additional match ban would be kind of ridiculous. But then again, I have no idea what VVD actually said or did. We will see.
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Liverpool in talks with Bayern over Gravenbirch
https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-live-latest-updates/PI2gI300JId7/
This is a positive development as , previously Bayern were not interested in selling him. We shall see …
https://theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-live-latest-updates/PI2gI300JId7/
This is a positive development as , previously Bayern were not interested in selling him. We shall see …
I think it may stem from his initial reluctance to leave the pitch. On the other hand he’s the captain and he could argue he had the right to continue disputing the red card.
If my amateur lip-reading skills are any good, he pointed his finger at the ref’s face a couple of times and said, “You’re a fucking joke.”
For so long Bayern were great at snapping up young talent and developing them into fantastic players. But now they’re bailing on young’uns and collecting high priced vets.
Their loss, Liverpool’s gain? Gravenbach is not a 6, but he’s young and has a huge, athletic frame (6’3”). He could be molded into a combative DM with fantastic technical skill. I think that’s the bet with Gravenbach.
But I think the fee is going to be more than Liverpool will pay. Bayern got a steal at £18m a year ago with Gravenbach’s contract running down, and now they’re going to want a price reflecting young talent with 4 years left on his deal.
Their loss, Liverpool’s gain? Gravenbach is not a 6, but he’s young and has a huge, athletic frame (6’3”). He could be molded into a combative DM with fantastic technical skill. I think that’s the bet with Gravenbach.
But I think the fee is going to be more than Liverpool will pay. Bayern got a steal at £18m a year ago with Gravenbach’s contract running down, and now they’re going to want a price reflecting young talent with 4 years left on his deal.
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Well - two things - one he’s been in their mid shortlist all summer so they clearly are interested. And, if they’re negotiating then one assumes it’s just haggling over the price. Supposedly LFC’s initial evaluation was £30m
If Bayern had set a fee north of £60m I’m pretty sure they’d have walked away. On the other hand the Lavia bungle might indicate they’ll nickel and dime this and won’t get it over the line.
For the life of me I don’t understand why they haven’t signed a CB. The guy from Bayern Leverkusen - Piero Hincapie sounds perfect but they want £60 or £70m - which I don’t think they’ll pay.
Good bit of business for Bayern, doubled or so their investment.
I think this is Gini 2.0 for LFC, and I love the move!
I think this is Gini 2.0 for LFC, and I love the move!
Lot of reports that the Saudis offered £100m+ for Mo last night, was rejected out of hand.
Have to think the Saudis aren’t serious about landing Mo bow if they waited until the last hours of the window to make this bid. In July among the first wave of big money moves…maybe. Liverpool would have time to recruit a replacement. But now? That’s asking to get turned down.
Have to think the Saudis aren’t serious about landing Mo bow if they waited until the last hours of the window to make this bid. In July among the first wave of big money moves…maybe. Liverpool would have time to recruit a replacement. But now? That’s asking to get turned down.
Yeah, it feels like a co-ordinated thing to get the player to agitate for the move, and LFC to compromise by agreeing to sell him in January/next summer if he's a good soldier to that point.
The Saudi window is open for another couple of weeks so I’m guessing more offers will be forthcoming
From LFC’s perspective there’s really no difference between now and , let’s say the end of the Saudi window - they weren’t replacing him with a day to go.
I suspect if something like £170m arrives they’ll let him go.
From LFC’s perspective there’s really no difference between now and , let’s say the end of the Saudi window - they weren’t replacing him with a day to go.
I suspect if something like £170m arrives they’ll let him go.
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Gravenberch official per LFC instagram. Exciting but not exactly what we needed. Hoping Endo can hold up or Bajcetic can get and stay healthy and continue to grow
James Pearce breaks down the Mo saga - about a month ago, Saudi representatives reached out to Salah’s agent to sound out a deal. At that time, the offer wasn’t enough to turn Mo’s head, hence the public declarations of staying put.
But the Saudis persisted, kept upping the ante to somewhere about £1.5m/week. That has Mo’s attention and his agent is now engaged in active talks, but Salah’s position is still that it’s up to LFC to decide. So…not enough money for Mo to get his hands dirty.
Pearce says KSA will go up to £200m, so it only makes sense for LFC to hold out for now. But Al Ittihad are playing at home in the Club World Club in January, want to put on a show there. So the price they’re willing to pay may drop at that point - they want Mo so there’s a chance to win major silverware.
But the Saudis persisted, kept upping the ante to somewhere about £1.5m/week. That has Mo’s attention and his agent is now engaged in active talks, but Salah’s position is still that it’s up to LFC to decide. So…not enough money for Mo to get his hands dirty.
Pearce says KSA will go up to £200m, so it only makes sense for LFC to hold out for now. But Al Ittihad are playing at home in the Club World Club in January, want to put on a show there. So the price they’re willing to pay may drop at that point - they want Mo so there’s a chance to win major silverware.
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At what ridiculous amount of money do you let a 31 year old winger go?
The flip side of that coin is that an enormous fee doesn’t help your negotiating position when you start shopping.
The flip side of that coin is that an enormous fee doesn’t help your negotiating position when you start shopping.
At the next bid, even if it’s short of £200m
If he were 27-28, I can see giving a flat “no.” 31? Muddle through and just get to January then find your replacement if there’s nobody in the hopper presently, which I doubt based upon how this summer has gone already.
Al Ittihad signed Sergio Ramos. Mo won’t risk having to train against the guy.
As a side note… Seeing Ramos without tattoos is jarring.
View: https://twitter.com/RudyGaletti/status/1698066235940876532
As a side note… Seeing Ramos without tattoos is jarring.
View: https://twitter.com/RudyGaletti/status/1698066235940876532
Supposedly Al- Ettihad officials are in London and are prepping a £215m offer for Salah.
There seems to be some confusion over how much of that is Add-Ons
Regardless - do LFC hold the line or sell him now?
Should LFC hold the line or sell him now?
That’s a lot of money - they could even countenance a Mbappe bid - or simply reinvest in the defence?
One would think the same offer isn’t arriving next summer - maybe £150?
So , is a year of Salah worth ~£50m ? - of course that assumes he doesn’t get hurt (very likely ) or doesn’t fall off a cliff (likely)
I think they WILL hold - I think they SHOULD sell
There seems to be some confusion over how much of that is Add-Ons
Regardless - do LFC hold the line or sell him now?
Should LFC hold the line or sell him now?
That’s a lot of money - they could even countenance a Mbappe bid - or simply reinvest in the defence?
One would think the same offer isn’t arriving next summer - maybe £150?
So , is a year of Salah worth ~£50m ? - of course that assumes he doesn’t get hurt (very likely ) or doesn’t fall off a cliff (likely)
I think they WILL hold - I think they SHOULD sell
I think if you can turn Mo Salah into Mbappe, you do that in a cocaine heartbeat. But I would want to be sure I was getting Mbappe given how disappointing last season was for Liverpool.
I strongly dislike Liverpool, but would SELL SELL SELL at this stage and that price.
At £215m you have to sell. That’s insane money. Of course, let’s see how much of that is base fee - the last offer was reportedly £100m base and £50m in add ons.
Al Ittihad are paying a premium to get Mo in time for the Club World Cup in KSA this winter. They want to show out and maybe…just maybe…lift that cup. That would be a stunning accomplishment after like 7 months of investing and be a huge win for the country’s ruling class.
For LFC, it’s a massive gamble on next year’s UCL qualification. How many points are they risking before they can line up a replacement? Does that even matter if you’re playing makeshift back lines anyway?
Mbappe is not happening. The wages, the agent fees, the commercial rights, the jobs for Mbappe’s family & entourage…that’s all stuff Madrid is practiced in. They price it in to their transfer business. FSG won’t pay all that.
Kvaradona would be the dream, but look at how Napoli ran the Osimhen “negotiations.” With 4 years left on his deal, Napoli will be asking for all the Mo money.
Other names that have been tossed around the interwebs by at least somewhat thoughtful commenters - Chiesa, Malen, Moussa Diaby, Adeyemi, Leroy Sane.
Too bad Pulisic just moved, though Gio…
Joking! One of Mo’s greatest abilities is staying healthy. Going from 50+ matches a year of Mo to 25 matches of Gio would be a fucking disaster. But the thought of the Reynas trying to blackmail Klopp into more playing time is pretty funny.
Al Ittihad are paying a premium to get Mo in time for the Club World Cup in KSA this winter. They want to show out and maybe…just maybe…lift that cup. That would be a stunning accomplishment after like 7 months of investing and be a huge win for the country’s ruling class.
For LFC, it’s a massive gamble on next year’s UCL qualification. How many points are they risking before they can line up a replacement? Does that even matter if you’re playing makeshift back lines anyway?
Mbappe is not happening. The wages, the agent fees, the commercial rights, the jobs for Mbappe’s family & entourage…that’s all stuff Madrid is practiced in. They price it in to their transfer business. FSG won’t pay all that.
Kvaradona would be the dream, but look at how Napoli ran the Osimhen “negotiations.” With 4 years left on his deal, Napoli will be asking for all the Mo money.
Other names that have been tossed around the interwebs by at least somewhat thoughtful commenters - Chiesa, Malen, Moussa Diaby, Adeyemi, Leroy Sane.
Too bad Pulisic just moved, though Gio…
Joking! One of Mo’s greatest abilities is staying healthy. Going from 50+ matches a year of Mo to 25 matches of Gio would be a fucking disaster. But the thought of the Reynas trying to blackmail Klopp into more playing time is pretty funny.
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I think I’d hesitate to believe anything in the Echo given it isn’t in any more reliable places.