Liverpool 23-24: The Long Klopp Goodbye

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Screw a replay - schedule is crowded enough. Give Liverpool the goal & a point.
 

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The best outcome for all involved is transparency and improvements. If VAR audio is available in realtime (like any other sport using it in England) and procedures are put in place to prevent the mistake from recurring, it will be better for the game as a whole.

Remind me I said this when Liverpool miss out on something by a point or two next spring (or Spurs win something by the same margin).
 

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How many goals do Liverpool have when they start the replay?
They can start with 1 if they play with 10. And everyone goes back to the exact level of fitness they were at when the game was played.

A replay is stupid and won't happen because it would cause so many issues. The PL needs to just come out and say that.
 

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They can start with 1 if they play with 10. And everyone goes back to the exact level of fitness they were at when the game was played.

A replay is stupid and won't happen because it would cause so many issues. The PL needs to just come out and say that.
The PL shouldn't even need to say it, it's incredibly dumb and whiny and entitled. Liverpool and Klopp are acting like this is the first time the referees ever made a mistake. But of course errors happen all the time, including some egregious VAR screwups, and matches are never replayed.
 

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The PL shouldn't even need to say it, it's incredibly dumb and whiny and entitled. Liverpool and Klopp are acting like this is the first time the referees ever made a mistake. But of course errors happen all the time, including some egregious VAR screwups, and matches are never replayed.
Well, MLB did something similar when umps got a call wrong....The infamous Pine Tar game

https://www.mlb.com/news/how-the-pine-tar-game-ended#:~:text=MacPhail ruled that the Brett,18.

"MacPhail ruled that the Brett home run shouldn’t have been nullified by Rule 3.02, saying that while Brett did use an illegal bat, he shouldn’t have been called out. MacPhail set the date for a resumption of the July 24 contest, from the point of the home run, to take place on Aug. 18."
 

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The PL shouldn't even need to say it, it's incredibly dumb and whiny and entitled. Liverpool and Klopp are acting like this is the first time the referees ever made a mistake. But of course errors happen all the time, including some egregious VAR screwups, and matches are never replayed.
It is neither whiny or entitled. There was a decision that is universally accepted as wrong. It altered the course of the match. Unlike sports in America (and admittedly, I am not American) there are repercussions (in America there are zero repercussions for losing). The difference here is potentially tens of millions of dollars.

Will a replay happen - no. Is the fact that this happened, that they did not stop play 30 seconds afterward, that there is no recourse for a system that is supposed to stop error egregious - resoundingly yes. When Gary freaking Neville is lamenting what happened to Liverpool, then you have a large issue.
 

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The new Anfield stand won't be completed until at least the new year. The previous plan of a phased opening until up to the holiday season has been scuttled. A new firm has been hired to finish the work, but what a mess.
 

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We have enough real doctors around here but I’d assume he did some damage that requires surgery. My first “severe” dislocation was only a month as I recall, but when i did it later I wrecked the protrusions of bone that hold the thing.
 

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Fuck.

I guess the question is do they stick with a back 3 and use Gomez on Robbo’s side for his mobility despite being Joe’s unnatural side?

Or is it back to the back 4 with Kostas getting all the burn?
 

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There’s a reason Kostas can’t break through. I think he’ll get a run or two out while Klopp reconfigures. It gives h a graceful way to bow out of Macallister at the 6, too.
 

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It seems to my amateur eye that Robertson had been almost playing with the CBs in a back 3 this season and rarely gets forward. Maybe to save his legs since he’s logged a lot of miles lately or maybe to provide more cover for Trent to get more forward than usual in his modified midfield role. I don’t recall as many bombing runs forward yet this season except his goal when he just didn't stop moving forward. So hopefully Gomez and maybe Konate on the left with VVD and Matip can provide decent defensive cover until he returns
 

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Can’t be bothered to dig up the link, but Manchester police asked that the City/Liverpool game be pushed up to 12:30. Liverpool have more early starts following an international break than second and third place combined. The South American contingent doesn’t have a great track record of being back and ready to play.

So we have that going for us.
 

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A few months ago, this side’s midfield problems looked to have doomed us to aspiring to some unsavory Europa spot next season. We bemoaned the misses in the transfer window and questioned the club’s strategies. We tried to talk ourselves into the signings and rued how we let Bellingham go for what seemed like a retrospective bargain.

I think there’s room to be cautiously optimistic if not outright thrilled.

Szoboszlai looks good enough that you should learn to spell his name correctly. Yes- that good. He’s drawing Gerrard comparisons, which likely aren’t fair but he’s shown some flashes that can’t help but jog memories. He’s a workhorse, strong as hell, and a hell of a presser.

Mac Allister has been doing yeoman’s duty playing out of position. He won’t be a true number 6, but his work rate and passing are top notch.

Endo hasn’t impressed much in the league but his Europa appearances suggest he’s bedding in. He might be able to spell things at the base of the midfield and provide a different look with Alexis pushing forward.

Gravenberch seems to be the real deal. He’s the last to sign and has had the least time but looks incredibly impressive. Fast, athletic, a good presser, and a good offensive presence.

This is all without the three or four games we’ll get out of Thiago this year. I’m sure things will really click for that month or so that he plays at the base of this. Maybe he and Bajcetic can fill out the base of the midfield when they both get back on their feet.

Curtis Jones has been hot and cold. He looked pretty serviceable before the red card derailed things. I’m not the world’s biggest Harvey Elliott fan but you can’t deny his talent on the offensive side of the ball. He’s just never as convincing in a TAA/Elliott/Salah lineup as he tends to play too advanced, pushing Mo central. He tries to work hard defensively but he just doesn’t have the nose for it like the other guys.

Trent is still making cringeworthy defensive lapses, but he seems to be his old self with the ball at his feet. He also looked more convincing than Kelleher as a goalkeeper yesterday.

I think we have a lot to be excited about. I hope it continues!
 

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Nice summary @SocrManiac

I’d grade the summer’s signing as

Szoboszlai A+
When you get knowledgeable people throwing out Gerrard as a comp well then you know you have a player. I agree that’s ridiculously unfair but if they get a Gerrard-Lite that’s still a hell of a player.

Gravenbirch A+
I agree - incredibly impressive debut. People are making Pogba comparisons . Again , unfair but I get it. I can’t think of a good Liverpool comp?

Mac Allister B
Obviously a good player - not a 6 though. I assume he’ll end up as the main left sided 8

Endo C - the once and future Lucas Leiva

Really looks like Andre Trinidade will arrive in January to fill the vacant 6. Mac is serviceable there but it’s kind if a waste of his talents.

So we’ll end up with 7 MFs who are starter quality. Picking the best three will be a fun exercise.

I don’t even count Thiago who’ll be lucky to even play this year. Not to mention Bajetic whose window may have come and gone. We are approaching - if not exceeding City level squad depth.



Rags to riches indeed.

All and all a productive , if expensive summer window.
 

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Romano reporting that Luis Diaz’s parents have been kidnapped in Colombia. This happened just today & police are now involved. Just horrible news.
 

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Apparantly Diaz’s mother has been released, but not his father.
 
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They only started using the word “reduced” this morning. I’m very much reading into this, but I hope that means they also arrested some of the kidnapped and can get information about Diaz’s dad. The longer this drags on, the more likely it ends in tragedy.
 

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Colombian police announce a 200m peso (~$50k) reward for information about Diaz’s father.
 

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James Pearce via the Athletic with a really in-depth look at Diaz, his family and upbringing and the surrounding community. It’s a really good read. The most impressive piece I’ve read from Pearce.

https://theathletic.com/5010168/2023/10/29/kidnapping-luis-diaz-liverpool/?source=user_shared_article

Lots of references to paramilitaries operating in the area , not to mention mining company disputes which are notorious for their abysmal treatment of local, often indigenous communities. Hope to God this is a mere kidnapping for ransom scenario.
 

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EPSN reports that Diaz has been told not to return to Colombia for his own safety. I can't imagine what he's going through.
 

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The Enemy of Football (the wind) had its say today. Just a complete slog. A worldy of a goal by Nunez decided it. Bournemouth had a ton of chances, especially in the second half .. every corner, of which they had quite a few had disaster written all over it.
 

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That 1st touch by Nunez was as strikingly bad as the goal strike was otherworldly.....kind of sums him up in a single 10 second clip.
 

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That 1st touch by Nunez was as strikingly bad as the goal strike was otherworldly.....kind of sums him up in a single 10 second clip.
Earned him a Suarez comparison. A few years ago Suarez missed an open net, and off the ensuing goal kick stole the ball back, nutmegged the defender, and scored with a Trivela. Do it all the hard way.
 

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Diaz father update from the Echo

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/luis-diaz-father-kidnappers-breaking-28007441#source=breaking-news

According to the cops he’s been kidnapped by the last remaining rebel group - the National Liberation Army of Colombia (ELN)

They’ve put out a call to the peace negotiators on the ELN side to facilitate his release as, otherwise, this will be seen as a major stumbling block in the peace process.

In other words - your rogue ELN cell is fucking things up for everybody - get your house in order.
 

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Diaz has been back in training even while his father remains captive. I imagine engaging in his familiar routines helps deal with the anxiety and stress.

Klopp says Thiago is out until January & Bajcectic remains out having strained his calf while rehabbing his abductor injury.
 

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I’m degrading Thiago from “made of glass” to “made of tissue paper.”

Don’t force me to make it wet tissue paper.
 

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I’m degrading Thiago from “made of glass” to “made of tissue paper.”

Don’t force me to make it wet tissue paper.
Wouldn’t be shocked if he’s done at LFC. Even if he regains full fitness in January I’m not sure if there’s a regular gig for him. If they bring in Andre - and it sure looks like that’s likely - then where’s he going to play? The starting mid will be Mac or Gravenbirch (or Jones) , Andre and Szoboszlai - not to mention Elliot. All these guys have shown more than Thiago
 

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Healthy and on-form, few in the world can match his vision, passing ability, and yellow card accumulation. Problem is, you aren’t going to take time away from the guys slated to be here awhile. So I agree- we may have seen the last of him.

His greatest contribution to this campaign will probably be allowing fans to put his name on the depth chart over a scary summer. That assuaged some heartburn, at least.
 

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Interesting tidbits regarding Bayerns (and Canada’s) Alphonso Davies - the interwebs are reporting that Bayern are going to put him on the market.

He’s been tentatively linked with Liverpool in the past.
GETITDONE
 

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Paul Tierney this weekend. The data says he can’t be objective, the eyes say he can’t be objective, and here we go.
 

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Thiago is a very old 32. Thousands of miles, hundreds of knocks, dozens of injuries. He deserves every accolade but he’s not a foundational building block anymore.