Liverpool 23-24: The Long Klopp Goodbye
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Nothing official from the club, but Hendo has posted a farewell video.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvKzxm5ostb
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvKzxm5ostb
So .. if one was hypothetically interested in attending a match at Anfield in - again, hypothetically late September what is the best way to go about this. According the LFC’s website online ticket sales FAQ, tickets usually aren’t available until a week before the game - and then Official Members (£26 subscription) get first crack. Since this involves a fair bit of preplanning (flights/hotels) this seems like a non starter.
Plan B , of course is scalping ..
-does this exist?
- how easy is it to get scalped tickets ?
-How much of a mark up can one expect?
(the game in question is West Ham)
Plan B , of course is scalping ..
-does this exist?
- how easy is it to get scalped tickets ?
-How much of a mark up can one expect?
(the game in question is West Ham)
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The Echo is claiming he’s on £700,000 per week … which comes out to around $45m per year … somehow I’m guessing he’s not going to be using social media whilst in the KSA to condemn the state’s brutal LGBTQ+ policies. In fact I bet he disappears all together. The money is obscene , the sports washing/ silencing is obscene … and his LFC legacy has been completely destroyed.
Unless you have a connection, I think you’d be looking at Hospitality packages given the criteria. Basically you play a large markup for a guaranteed seat and a meal/lounge access. I just looked at the West Ham game and it looks like most of the more economical choices are already sold out. I know there are other tour providers but just throwing this one option out there as the most direct (yet expensive) way. Hopefully someone else has a better suggestion. I’ve thought about it myself but never pulled the trigger.
I actually checked the Hospitality options but they're pretty expensive (£200-£300) compared to a single ticket which is a bargain £45.
Still, this is kind of a bucket list thing …
Also check your local supporters club. if you’re a member, you can usually request tickets through the club. I think the club is allowed three matches fall/spring. The challenge is that I believe the fall requests are probably done at this point so anything they got may be gone. It’s worth a shot though.
Yeah, he seems like a kid, but that says more about me than him, haha. He made his debut almost 7 years ago and is 24 now. I'm not surprised at the move. As the local lad that came through the academy, he was always going to be heading down this path.
Steven Gerrard was a Vice-Captain at 22 and replaced Sami Hyypia as Captain at 23. I remember seeing comments from Gerard Houlier years later that he made the move to encourage Gerrard to become more mature and develop his leadership skills. I'd imagine this is Klopp doing something similar.
EDIT: The Liverpool website has the footage of when Klopp told TAA.
https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/watch-moment-trent-alexander-arnold-was-appointed-lfc-vice-captain
Just watched the Amazon Prime feature on Peter Crouch
“ That Peter Crouch Show” I think is the title
heartily recommend - he comes across as an extraordinarily likeable guy - he , and his wife have one of the biggest podcasts in the UK.
He has a very self deprecating sense of humour - example number one - when asked what he’d be if not a footballer - “a virgin”
“ That Peter Crouch Show” I think is the title
heartily recommend - he comes across as an extraordinarily likeable guy - he , and his wife have one of the biggest podcasts in the UK.
He has a very self deprecating sense of humour - example number one - when asked what he’d be if not a footballer - “a virgin”
So - LFC have been “preparing another Lavia bid” for over a week. So what does this actually mean? How long does it actually take to prepare a bid? Is this just posturing or timing?
Transfer tea leaves suggest they really want him and are just haggling over the price. I find the “club’s evaluation” thing to be kind of stupid. I get it from Southampton’s view point - they don’t have to sell the player.
But from LFC’s point of view it should be irrelevant what their internal evaluation is if they want and, more importantly need the player. Do they want to lose out over a measly £4-5m ?
Sure , if there are a couple of decent options with a lower sticker price (the rumoured Brazilian Trindade ) then haggling makes a bit of sense but time’s a wasting . If Lavia plays tomorrow night in their League Cup match he’ll be Cup Tied.
Lavia’s transfer value is what he will sell for.
Transfer tea leaves suggest they really want him and are just haggling over the price. I find the “club’s evaluation” thing to be kind of stupid. I get it from Southampton’s view point - they don’t have to sell the player.
But from LFC’s point of view it should be irrelevant what their internal evaluation is if they want and, more importantly need the player. Do they want to lose out over a measly £4-5m ?
Sure , if there are a couple of decent options with a lower sticker price (the rumoured Brazilian Trindade ) then haggling makes a bit of sense but time’s a wasting . If Lavia plays tomorrow night in their League Cup match he’ll be Cup Tied.
Lavia’s transfer value is what he will sell for.
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It seems so silly that I'm guessing what's being reported isn't reality. While I would be thrilled to have even £.5m, a side competing for a top four spot next year can't miss out over that difference in fee. Things were tight enough last year that one guy could really mean the difference, and everybody seems to have improved (not to mention Chelsea can't be as inept).
It’s really maddening because we’ve been here before and have seen the clock run out. If you’re not willing to pay the price, move on to a Tyler Adams or Amrabat. I don’t think those guys fit the profile they want but they need some cover. If they are waiting for Andre’s team to lose and drop out of their Cup, that’s a dangerous game. Losing out over a few million when you lucked into 40M for Fabinho is just madness.
I also think they are missing a defender (either central left footed or a backup right back). Since we appear to move in series, will there be enough time to shift over there. We play Chelsea in less than a week.
I also think they are missing a defender (either central left footed or a backup right back). Since we appear to move in series, will there be enough time to shift over there. We play Chelsea in less than a week.
I’m more concerned about the missing defender than the 6. The 3-box-3 works fine with Konate as the RCB as he has the pace to cover for the missing fullback. But Joel Matip doesn’t , and he’s next on the depth chart, followed by (gulp) Joe Gomez - who may be the starting RB on Sunday.
They are running out of time. Schmadke’s tenure may be a one and done if things don’t improve.
This is going to be Exhibit A on what not to do when you want and need a player and have limited alternatives. They’ll cave in and offer the full £50m - thus teaching every other club on how to deal with Schmadtke.
Their second bid should have been for the full ask or damned close to it - enough to start a negotiation - but nooooo - they just had to dick around. I wouldn’t be shocked if Southampton tell us to get stuffed.
Their second bid should have been for the full ask or damned close to it - enough to start a negotiation - but nooooo - they just had to dick around. I wouldn’t be shocked if Southampton tell us to get stuffed.
I don't quite understand why Liverpool seems so tight financially right now compared to other Top 7 sides.
If they need both a DM and a defender then I can see the logic of trying to squeeze every penny out of each deal in the abstract. But they had to know coming into this summer that they needed another defender and bought Szobo and MacAllister early under that assumption. And then it feels like the cost of a DM should be just covered (and more) by the unexpected fees/wage savings reaped for Fabinho.
If they need both a DM and a defender then I can see the logic of trying to squeeze every penny out of each deal in the abstract. But they had to know coming into this summer that they needed another defender and bought Szobo and MacAllister early under that assumption. And then it feels like the cost of a DM should be just covered (and more) by the unexpected fees/wage savings reaped for Fabinho.
Newcastle started talks for Livramento back in June, back channels probably earlier. And that just got done. Fair play to Soton - they are holding fast in negotiations and probably fancy an immediate bounce back, which is worth much more money than any of these sales. Have to think Soton hold out for every penny of £50m.
Watching the Liverpool friendly against Darmstadt … 2-1 after 54 minutes (that was the score after 9 minutes)
Mac Allister has been in the 6 role and he’s been great. Gapko is the left sided 8 with Jota through the middle .. lots of possession and trickery , maybe too much. AA has been invisible in the inverted role and , when he does get possession has immediately given it away.
Mac Allister has been in the 6 role and he’s been great. Gapko is the left sided 8 with Jota through the middle .. lots of possession and trickery , maybe too much. AA has been invisible in the inverted role and , when he does get possession has immediately given it away.
3-1 after a wonderful Luis Diaz flick off a corner ,.. B team on after 62’ .. like bees swarming … Ben Doak putting in quite the performance ... Can’t see him going anywhere
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/38146686/transfer-talk-al-ittihad-prepare-60m-offer-salah
Getting a fee of only £60m would be brutal. The article mentions that Mo’s agent is saying Mo will definitely be with the club this year but it’s still concerning despite seeing this coming a mile away.
I’m curious to see if this summer’s spree impacts the team building strategy of European teams going forward. Is there less willingness to invest in Muslim players because of a perceived threat of them being more likely to be courted by the Saudi league? As of now, the evidence doesn’t seem to suggest that, but it’s hardly a stretch to think that pattern may eventually develop.
Getting a fee of only £60m would be brutal. The article mentions that Mo’s agent is saying Mo will definitely be with the club this year but it’s still concerning despite seeing this coming a mile away.
I’m curious to see if this summer’s spree impacts the team building strategy of European teams going forward. Is there less willingness to invest in Muslim players because of a perceived threat of them being more likely to be courted by the Saudi league? As of now, the evidence doesn’t seem to suggest that, but it’s hardly a stretch to think that pattern may eventually develop.
Well, Salah will be entering year 3 of his 3 year contract so something along those lines was to be expected (see Kane, Harold). I don’t think LFC would mind terribly if they got a £100m offer
£60m on the other hand is insulting … that seems to be a pattern though - offer gargantuan wages combined with a minuscule transfer fee and hope the player agitates his way out of town.
Wouldn't it be the opposite? Having an escape valve where you can dump your overpaid aging stars for big money makes Muslim players more valuable, not less.
Only if the club is trying to move the player and the guy ain’t a current key piece of the set up.
£60m for Mo is tough not just to find a last minute replacement but also because Mo generates more revenue for the club than any other player - maybe the rest of the squad combined. Mo is among, if not the most famous Muslim in the world. Having him at the club creates sponsorship opportunities, jersey sales, image rights deals, social media followers…Mo business isn’t Messi business, but he‘s a lot closer than all but a couple other players around.
Now I’m also curious how these Saudi deals are going to show up in Football Manager.
£60m for Mo is tough not just to find a last minute replacement but also because Mo generates more revenue for the club than any other player - maybe the rest of the squad combined. Mo is among, if not the most famous Muslim in the world. Having him at the club creates sponsorship opportunities, jersey sales, image rights deals, social media followers…Mo business isn’t Messi business, but he‘s a lot closer than all but a couple other players around.
Now I’m also curious how these Saudi deals are going to show up in Football Manager.
I mentioned it in the transfer thread, but I’m really not looking forward to the backlash over this. The FSG Out crowd are going to start demonstrating. Nobody needs the distraction.
The funny part is that more times than not when Liverpool get outbid for the hot name du jour, the player ends up being a disappointment at the club that won his signature.
I agree that missing out on Lavia...and not singing another CB...and maybe not singing another mid...will fan the flames following every dropped point.
It's frustrating, but Liverpool have had an excellent hit rate in the transfer market since Klopp came aboard. Start deviating from that process and suddenly there is no process.
It's frustrating, but Liverpool have had an excellent hit rate in the transfer market since Klopp came aboard. Start deviating from that process and suddenly there is no process.
The interweb claims there’s been no official bid for Caicedo - merely due diligence on LFC’s behalf. So , if they really are interested they would make hypothetical inquiries - at the same time sounding out the agent to see if the player is OK with a Liverpool move. He is on record as wanting a move to London.
Please please please get this done boys … he’s a perfect fit.
Talksport just tweeted the following.
View: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1689775962089504768
View: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1689775962089504768
Melissa Reddy of Skysports with her take.
View: https://twitter.com/MelissaReddy_/status/1689777738016505856?s=20
I'd love to see Caicedo in red. I wonder if he's talked to Klopp yet and if Klopp's magnetism and warmth and vision for the future has worked some magic. It's a crazy market that's for sure.
View: https://twitter.com/MelissaReddy_/status/1689777738016505856?s=20
Get it done! He's an ideal replacement at the 6 for Fabinho, already knows how to play along side MacAllister...hand in glove as the saying goes.
Liverpool goes right back into the contenders category with Caicedo IMO. Not only is he much more experienced than Lavia, but he has played in a system much closer to what Klopp does and his comfort level with MacAllister should also speed the transition.
Holy shit, that's a big potential fee. This seems done.
View: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689794217894158336
View: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1689794217894158336
The Athletic has it. It's done.
https://theathletic.com/4767155/2023/08/10/liverpool-moises-caicedo-agreement-brighton/
https://theathletic.com/4767155/2023/08/10/liverpool-moises-caicedo-agreement-brighton/
Ornstein confirms. FSG just did a Boehly to Boehly.
I'd love to know when Liverpool decided to make this move, whether it was the plan from the beginning or something changed recently.
View: https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1689796015136669696
I'd love to know when Liverpool decided to make this move, whether it was the plan from the beginning or something changed recently.
View: https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1689796015136669696
I don’t know what happened in the LFC boardroom … they went from not being able to afford Jude Bellingham (£100m) and botching the Lavia deal in embarrassing circumstances to paying even more for a holding midfielder! Not to mention Mac Allister and Schoboslai … thank you Saudi league.
I wonder what would’ve happened with Bellingham if they knew Henderson and Fabinho were leaving at the end of the season. My guess is they would’ve been right in there.
I just don’t think they wanted to pay so much for Lavia. They kept try to find Southhampton's breaking point. Once that got too high over their valuation, they probably decided to check in on Caicedo and go for it.
Can‘t believe this was the plan … Southampton could easily have accepted the £46m bid.
I think Henry &Co were embarrassed by the bungled Lavia negotiations and decided to make amends big time. I wonder if this means Schmadtke is out?
Get it done! He's an ideal replacement at the 6 for Fabinho, already knows how to play along side MacAllister...hand in glove as the saying goes.