Kemba Walker to Boston

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He’ll probably never admit if he knew in Jan, since it would make him look pretty bad.
Why would he look bad? His never-gonna-happen pursuit of Anthony Davis, and the specter thereof, resulted in Rob Pelinka and Magic undermining their own young players, failing to get a trade done at the deadline, the Lakers collectively pissing down their leg the rest of the season, and then Pelinka parting with everything but the light fixtures in the Staples Center in order to ultimately win the trade for AD.

I'm not sure what Ainge could have gotten for Kyrie in January, but I doubt we'd be ahead of where we are today.
 

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Could it have gotten AD ? In which case we'd have the LAL draft picks for the rest of the century, not New Orleans.
 

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Could it have gotten AD ? In which case we'd have the LAL draft picks for the rest of the century, not New Orleans.
I'm not sure NO would have taken a rental, and I don't see Brooklyn or NY facilitating a 3-way trade to allow Davis to go to Boston.
 

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You can't be sure that it would have taken a rental, but AD was blasting his way out of town and a chance to woo Kyrie is not without value. I was speculating as to a direct 1-for-1 swap not involving any third party. It's a long shot, but getting back to the point about "What if Danny knew in January that Kyrie was gone", if he knew and didn't pick up the phone to talk with NO, then that would have been bad management. I doubt that this happened, I"m just spit balling.
 

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Kemba saying all the correct things: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/kemba-walker-ready-adjust-his-role-and-share-scoring-his-new-celtics-teammates. I.e.,

“[My role] does [need to change], and I’m looking forward to it,” Walker said on the latest Celtics Talk Podcast. "It’s something new. It’s not as big of a burden, I feel like, on my back. It’s like, I had to be perfect every night in Charlotte. Had to be. I had to have a great game, offensively, if not, it will be a struggle for us to win. Like I said, with the personnel, we have on this team and the way these guys can score, it’ll be different.”
 

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There was a 0.0% chance of New Orleans taking Kyrie for Davis when in reality they probably knew back then the bones of LA’s offer.
 

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Because I refuse to put this in the Mr. Chemistry thread:


Edit: I understand why some people were maybe hesitant to use a max slot on another PG given Brown/Tatum/Hayward but this guy is just everything you want from the position in this lineup – scoring, unselfishness, and tremendous energy.
 

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How steady and non-Kyrie has Kemba been that the above post is the FIRST ONE in this thread since the regular season began (I know there's a Kemba thread from when he jammed his neck crash test dummying into Semi's body)

Nothing to complain about regarding Kemba, and he's been as advertised, at least.
 

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How steady and non-Kyrie has Kemba been that the above post is the FIRST ONE in this thread since the regular season began (I know there's a Kemba thread from when he jammed his neck crash test dummying into Semi's body)

Nothing to complain about regarding Kemba, and he's been as advertised, at least.
Yeah that's insane actually. It will be interesting at some point to gather up a bunch of his video from the year. The team is using him in interesting ways that are way more dynamic than the Kyrie/Horford pick-and-pop was.
View: https://youtu.be/-hSsiON6xT0?t=124


In the play at 2:04 above they quickly get the switch, but instead of Kemba backing it out and attacking the big, or trying to post Jaylen, he quickly gets it to Theis who works the hi-lo for an easy 2 against the mismatch. It's so much harder to load up on and defend those types of actions, and they all start with the attention Kemba gets, and the fact that you can't let him come off the pick for 3.
 

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Great find. That's just understanding the game, and not pounding the ball. I can't definitively say Kyrie makes that more complicated, but Kyrie makes that more complicated and looks to drive. Coaches call this low energy hoop, executed a play and moved the ball, not much energy, intensity spent.
 

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Wow, Kemba's thread in danger of slipping off page 1. Understand that JB and JT progress is getting most of the attention, and anything that is left is going to our shiny new rookie baubles, but man KW has been great for this team. BTW, he gave XB1s with peronalized carrying cases for Xmas.
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Lot of guys might say they are fine with no scoring a FG in a 21 point blowout but no one doubts KW's sincerity. and not many NBA PGs players would limit themselves to six shots if they hadn't made a bucket.

Jim Calhoun was spot on.

Hopefully he will rub off on Muddy Waters.
 

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Wow, Kemba's thread in danger of slipping off page 1. Understand that JB and JT progress is getting most of the attention, and anything that is left is going to our shiny new rookie baubles, but man KW has been great for this team. BTW, he gave XB1s with peronalized carrying cases for Xmas.
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Lot of guys might say they are fine with no scoring a FG in a 21 point blowout but no one doubts KW's sincerity. and not many NBA PGs players would limit themselves to six shots if they hadn't made a bucket.

Jim Calhoun was spot on.

Hopefully he will rub off on Muddy Waters.
He seriously unlocks the rest of the offense with the attention he gets and his willingness to leverage that. The Lakers or Philly would be terrifying if they had gotten him—he’s exactly what they are each missing.
 

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He seriously unlocks the rest of the offense with the attention he gets and his willingness to leverage that
Agreed. I watched a video recently where the narrator broke down two types of plays the Celtics like to run, the double screen with 2nd screener not really setting a screen and just rolling right to the basket and the interior seal:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3INe9hPAEk


In that double screen action, he argues that Kemba is especially dangerous compared to other players - his quick release and ability to shoot 3s off the dribble forces the opposing big man to play high to defend Kemba. Without Kemba's quickness and shooting ability, that big man could instead play deeper to guard against the roll man. Video really makes you appreciate Theis too.
 

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This isn’t selective editing. They run those double screens and interior seal screens all day long.

What feels selective is how often Kemba dumped it into Theis. They don’t seem to do that enough IMO. They are better at it with Time Lord who is both better at finishing and passing out of it when someone collapses.
 
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It's impressive how little space Kemba needs to get his shot off, whether he's shooting off the dribble or working off ball and shooting off the catch.
 

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Let me try a simple summation of this: Kemba actually is the vet leader Kyrie believes himself to be.

I wasn’t sure on Kemba’s impact beyond scoring but he’s fun to watch and very clearly the kind of personality you can win a lot with (granted, not in Charlotte)
 

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The remarkable thing about Walker is what wbcd points out - the guy seems to believe that the next level up is team success - not necessarily playing with his buddy, putting up stats for his next contract or looking to go to a place that is geographically desirable.

Its also remarkable that the guy has realized that, surrounded by good players, he can still get his in the flow of the offense rather than trying to "force the issue" (a term that I hear some announcers use in a good sense when I think it often means bad things like ISOs etc). Its probably no coincidence that Walker is having his best shooting season thus far now that he doesn't have to do every little thing to keep his team in games.
 

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Kemba gives excellent interviews to the local broadcasters. When the Celtics beat the Nets, he praised the entire Net team for playing hard on every single play, and then reflected on how credit is also due to the coaching staff for getting them to play hard and as a team. He said it all with conviction too. Kemba would never be giving the opposing team any bulletin board material.
 

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To me, the best thing about Kemba is I'm certain he doesn't feel like he needs to be the declared the "best player" on a team that won a championship.

He just wants to win a championship.