Jaylen Brown, Year 7

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This video is the opposite of what I thought it was going to be when I clicked on it

I know his handle is somewhat limited due to his small hands but he's looked better lately. Still has his wtf moments of course. A while ago I read an article that made the case he was basically prime Lebron from 2 this year. I'm not sure I buy that but a cursory glance at the numbers suggests they're not far off.
 

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This video is the opposite of what I thought it was going to be when I clicked on it

I know his handle is somewhat limited due to his small hands but he's looked better lately. Still has his wtf moments of course. A while ago I read an article that made the case he was basically prime Lebron from 2 this year. I'm not sure I buy that but a cursory glance at the numbers suggests they're not far off.
We often focus on what guys can't do, as opposed to what they can, particularly when that guy is on our team.
 

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He's shooting over 50% from between 10 feet and the three-point line, which is really absurd and the reason he has scored more and been more efficient despite below-average three point shooting. His mid-range shooting has been hugely encouraging, especially when you start thinking about the tighter defense in the post season. With his size, quickness and athleticism (and improved handle) he can rise above defenders and get that shot off against good defense, and if he can continue to make them at >50%, it will solve a lot of problems for when the offense dries up like it did at times during the Finals.
 

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This video is the opposite of what I thought it was going to be when I clicked on it

I know his handle is somewhat limited due to his small hands but he's looked better lately. Still has his wtf moments of course. A while ago I read an article that made the case he was basically prime Lebron from 2 this year. I'm not sure I buy that but a cursory glance at the numbers suggests they're not far off.
Jaylen seems to have the same issue Jayson had a couple years ago. His handle is ok, meaning his dribbling, but when he goes to the hoop, he gets stripped when he picks up the dribble and goes into his shot. Tatum used to lose a ton of turnovers that way, as he wasn't protecting the ball away from his body/defender when he went up. Tatum seems to have cured that, so I'm hopeful Brown will too.

The other issue with Jaylen is that he can get out of control, and picks up a bunch of offensive fouls as a result. I'm still very curious about finding his turnover numbers when accounting for offensive fouls/strips/bad passes. I think a larger % of Jaylen's are offensive fouls than most.
 

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It feels worth noting that Jaylen was 4th among all guards in media votes (behind Luka, Mitchell, and by the slimmest of margins, Curry). I think this bodes reasonably well for him to make all-NBA. Obvious competition in addition to those three being Harden, Kyrie, Haliburton, Ja and SGA.

Obvious caveat that I don't think he should be included among the guards, not this year anyway. The Celtics typical starting 5 (Horford/Tatum/Brown/Smart/White) has more than twice as many minutes are the next 5 man lineup for the Celtics, and clearly Brown plays the forward in that grouping.
 
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Pointing out that the position grouping is antiquated is not a fresh take, but I wonder how long it'll take the league to catch up and start picking the best players without regard for position.

I know they don't play east vs west anymore, and I know they don't play defense in the all star game, but imagine the defensive potential of a team that started Giannis, Embiid, Durant, and Tatum?
 

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I suppose it's better that this happened now than in 2 months, pending any further developments there's no reason why he can't be 100% in time for the playoffs. That said:

-It sounds like he'll miss at least 5 games, meaning he'll end up with fewer than 70 games played.
-That's enough games missed that will impact all-NBA voting, and he needs every bit of help he can get.
-Missing all-NBA makes it harder to re-sign him.

Just super.
 

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I suppose it's better that this happened now than in 2 months, pending any further developments there's no reason why he can't be 100% in time for the playoffs. That said:

-It sounds like he'll miss at least 5 games, meaning he'll end up with fewer than 70 games played.
-That's enough games missed that will impact all-NBA voting, and he needs every bit of help he can get.
-Missing all-NBA makes it harder to re-sign him.

Just super.
I wouldn’t be so sure this will have an impact if he’s only missing a half dozen games with all of his competition missing as many if not more.
 

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I wouldn’t be so sure this will have an impact if he’s only missing a half dozen games with all of his competition missing as many if not more.
Definitely 70+ games isn't going to be a requirement for all-NBA, but I'd hoped that durability would be a point in Jaylen's favor (like it has been, and likely will be again, for Tatum). Hard to claim durability as a positive when you're only playing 60something games.
 

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How do we feel about Jaylen's chances at 3rd team All-NBA with 15 games to go? Huge implications for the franchise moving forward.
 

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How do we feel about Jaylen's chances at 3rd team All-NBA with 15 games to go? Huge implications for the franchise moving forward.
He needs to make top 6 so where does he fall in line with…..

Doncic
Mitchell
Booker
SGA
Curry
Kyrie
Fox
Lillard

Who did I miss?
 

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He needs to make top 6 so where does he fall in line with…..

Doncic
Mitchell
Booker
SGA
Curry
Kyrie
Fox
Lillard

Who did I miss?
Holiday

The Celtics communications department would be smart to promote him at forward.

Giannis
Tatum
Lebron
Durant - not enought games?
Randle
Markkanen
 

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He needs to make top 6 so where does he fall in line with…..

Doncic
Mitchell
Booker
SGA
Curry
Kyrie
Fox
Lillard

Who did I miss?
It's really hard to figure out where he stands because he could be guard or forward. Of the group above, I think Curry and Booker have just missed too many games (they'll be at 56 and 55 games played, if they don't miss anything else) to make the team. Those numbers aren't automatically disqualifying (Lebron, Durant and Morant all made it last year with similar games played), but it makes it more difficult. Fox probably isn't quite good enough (and Sacramento could be represented with Sabonis as the 3rd team center, I think his only competition is Bam), and who knows with Kyrie - he started the all-star game and even with his suspension he will have enough games played, but the media ranked him as the 4th best guard in the east at the break (Jaylen was 2nd by their vote), and I don't think he's improved his standing since the all-star voting concluded (what with him forcing a trade and Dallas not yet thriving with him and Luka).

The one guy you may be missing is Brunson. He didn't even make the all-star team, but with the Knicks hot streak and his incredible play since the start of February(he's averaging 28/4/6 while shooting .563/.463/.779), he's got a shot to sneak in on 3rd team.
 

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The Celtics communications department would be smart to promote him at forward.

Giannis
Tatum
Lebron
Durant - not enought games?
Randle
Markkanen
Yeah it's kind of amazing how thin forward is this year, especially if KD and LeBron miss too much time for voters. What if Markkanen sits out for the tanking Jazz?

You could throw George on I guess. Kawhi isn't going to play enough.
 

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He needs to make top 6 so where does he fall in line with…..

Doncic
Mitchell
Booker
SGA
Curry
Kyrie
Fox
Lillard

Who did I miss?
Ja Morant, who made second team last year.

I can see JB getting in there with the forwards, but I certainly think his injury coupled with the team's uneven play lately has hurt his chances.
 

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Ja Morant, who made second team last year.

I can see JB getting in there with the forwards, but I certainly think his injury coupled with the team's uneven play lately has hurt his chances.
I don't think his injury, or at least the missed time associated with it, really hurts him too badly. He only ended up missing 4 games and will likely finish with 66-68 games played, more than enough this year considering how many stars have missed 15+ games.
 

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I don't think his injury, or at least the missed time associated with it, really hurts him too badly. He only ended up missing 4 games and will likely finish with 66-68 games played, more than enough this year considering how many stars have missed 15+ games.
Yeah this is what makes it harder for Jaylen in that voters have included guys playing in the 50’s so he can’t sneak in simply due to voters disqualifying Curry and Booker. Yeah forgot about Brunson and Morant too. It’s all going to depend on where he is placed on the ballot, as a G or F (which in todays game is freakin nuts to have this determine tens of millions of dollars to him).
 

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Curry would have to miss more games not to be a complete lock, averaging 30 a game on a 67% TS.

I think at guard, the following are locks

Luka
Lillard
SGA
Mitchell
Steph
Morant

With Booker and Jaylen on the outside looking in. If Jaylen is made eligible at both guard and forward, his votes probably get split up a fair amount, similar to what happened to Tatum a few years ago. He has a really tough road to making it, I’d think.
 

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I think at guard, the following are locks

Luka
Lillard
SGA
Mitchell
Steph
Morant
I'm wondering if the voters will be squeamish at voting in Morant because of his off the court stuff.

It'll be an interesting hinge in the offseason if so - Ja will have cost himself about $40 million with that gun video, and possibly gifted Jaylen with an extra $40 million.
 

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I'm wondering if the voters will be squeamish at voting in Morant because of his off the court stuff.

It'll be an interesting hinge in the offseason if so - Ja will have cost himself about $40 million with that gun video, and possibly gifted Jaylen with an extra $40 million.
It’s an interesting wrinkle, but these writers usually just vote for whoever they’re going to vote for.

I read that the nba/PA were talking about making it easier to extend your own guys, so hopefully that’s the case, and we can extend Jaylen this summer, regardless of all nba.
 

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I don't think his injury, or at least the missed time associated with it, really hurts him too badly. He only ended up missing 4 games and will likely finish with 66-68 games played, more than enough this year considering how many stars have missed 15+ games.
It's not so much about having enough games to qualify it's more about the narrative around him has lost some momentum. Pre-injury he felt like a lock for All NBA with a good shot at second team. Now it feels more like a 50-50 shot to me. I think he still gets there as a forward considering his scoring, efficiency, and what I anticipate will be a strong finish for him.
 

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Speaking of efficiency, Jaylen is at league average for the year with TS now. Since January 1st, it’s down to 56.9%, and even lower since February 1st.

I wonder if the three ball is going to come back this season, by month it’s been

34.1%
33.3%
32.5%
32.1%
40.5% (5 games)
28.6% (5 games so far)

He’s shooting equally bad on C&S threes, and pull-up threes. It may be something that needs an offseason to fix, but I’m hoping he can get it up to 35% or so for the playoffs.
 

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If he’s listed as a forward, i think he’s close to a lock. If he’s a guard, I think chances are slim.

LeBron and Durant are going to have missed a ton of games which should/will ding them. Markkanen and Brown are close but I think Brown gets the edge (plus Markkanen may sit some games as the season goes on). The only people clearly ahead of him on the pecking order are Giannis and Tatum
 

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If he’s listed as a forward, i think he’s close to a lock. If he’s a guard, I think chances are slim.

LeBron and Durant are going to have missed a ton of games which should/will ding them. Markkanen and Brown are close but I think Brown gets the edge (plus Markkanen may sit some games as the season goes on). The only people clearly ahead of him on the pecking order are Giannis and Tatum
I think Tatum and Giannis are 100% locks, I’d have Randle and LeBron as close to 100%, LeBron has made it the last few years despite missing a ton of games. No way they leave him off in the year he broke Kareem’s scoring record.

I don’t think Durant makes it at this point, 42 games is just too low lol.

Butler is getting close to lock territory IMO, he’s having the best season of his career, just depends on how many games he plays the rest of the way. He never puts up huge ppg numbers, but has made all nba 4 times despite it. Guys who are first options almost always get the edge over second options, as well.

If Jaylen is made eligible exclusively at forward, I think it’ll come down to him or Lauri. I’m betting he’s made eligible at both guard and forward though, which sucks for him.
 

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I think Tatum and Giannis are 100% locks, I’d have Randle and LeBron as close to 100%, LeBron has made it the last few years despite missing a ton of games. No way they leave him off in the year he broke Kareem’s scoring record.

I don’t think Durant makes it at this point, 42 games is just too low lol.

Butler is getting close to lock territory IMO, he’s having the best season of his career, just depends on how many games he plays the rest of the way. He never puts up huge ppg numbers, but has made all nba 4 times despite it. Guys who are first options almost always get the edge over second options, as well.

If Jaylen is made eligible exclusively at forward, I think it’ll come down to him or Lauri. I’m betting he’s made eligible at both guard and forward though, which sucks for him.
Just out of curiosity, why would you have Randle and Butler as locks but Jaylen not?
 

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Just out of curiosity, why would you have Randle and Butler as locks but Jaylen not?
Randle is averaging 25/10/4 on a 59% TS, as the top option on a team that is going to be the 5th seed.

Jaylen is averaging 26/7/3 on a 58% TS as the second option on a great team. Randle has the raw stat edge, the edge with a majority of the advanced stats, the on/off edge, and is having a better season than when he made all nba two years ago.

Butler is “only” averaging 22/6/5, but has a 63% TS, his advanced stats and on/off just blow Jaylen out of the water, and a bunch of the voters use that stuff now. I said I’m close to having Butler as a lock, but not there yet. A guy who’s already made 4 all nba teams having his best season? I think it’s more likely than not that he makes it.

In both Randle and Butlers case, being “the guy” always gives guys an edge for all nba, which I disagree with, but it’s definitely the case. Jaylen will have to have a really strong finish IMO, as his efficiency has been consistently dropping for the last few months.
 
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Randle is averaging 25/10/4 on a 59% TS, as the top option on a team that is going to be the 5th seed.

Jaylen is averaging 26/7/3 on a 58% TS as the second option on a great team. Randle has the raw stat edge, the edge with a majority of the advanced stats, the on/off edge, and is having a better season than when he made all nba two years ago.

Butler is “only” averaging 22/6/5, but has a 63% TS, his advanced stats and on/off just blow Jaylen out of the water, and a bunch of the voters use that stuff now. I said I’m close to having Butler as a lock, but not there yet. A guy who’s already made 4 all nba teams having his best season? I think it’s more likely than not that he makes it.

In both Randle and Butlers case, being “the guy” always gives guys an edge for all nba, which I disagree with, but it’s definitely the case. Jaylen will have to have a really strong finish IMO, as his efficiency has been consistently dropping for the last few months.
Are they both “the guy”? For the Knicks I think Brunson is “the guy”. There’s an argument to be made that Bam is the guy for Miami (personally I don’t believe that but there’s enough of an argument).
Brown is on the better team, has better counting stats and neither Butler nor Randle are the clear top option (more Randle than Butler, I think Brunson is the top dog in NY).
I don’t think any of them are locks but I think Jaylen is ahead of both Butler and Randle
 

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Are they both “the guy”? For the Knicks I think Brunson is “the guy”. There’s an argument to be made that Bam is the guy for Miami (personally I don’t believe that but there’s enough of an argument).
Brown is on the better team, has better counting stats and neither Butler nor Randle are the clear top option (more Randle than Butler, I think Brunson is the top dog in NY).
I don’t think any of them are locks but I think Jaylen is ahead of both Butler and Randle
I personally think Brunson is more important, but Randle leads them in ppg, FGA per game, and was an all star. He’s definitely looked at as the guy for them, and already has all nba on his resume, I’d he legitimately shocked if he doesn’t make it, plus he has better counting stats than Jaylen. 25/10/4>26/7/3, especially with Randle having the slightly higher TS.

Butler is more of a wildcard, but it’s not about the ppg for him, he just has the reputation around the league as an amazing player who only turns it up when he needs to. That’s why he’s already made 4 all nba teams despite never putting up monster raw stats, he’s an advanced stat superstar, and the voters are much bigger than they ever have been on advanced stats and on/off numbers. Jaylen is averaging 4 more ppg, but Butlers TS is 6% higher after tonight, and is considered a much better playmaker/defender.

The big thing though is Randle and Butler have been trending up, whereas Jaylen has been trending down for the last couple of months. His TS since January 1st is well below league average, has been even lower since February 1st, his advanced stats have been fading, his on/off numbers are dreadful, and the buzz about him has also been falling off.

I’d love for him to make it, I always want players to get paid, but he’s going to need a really strong finish IMO. His 3 ball abandoning him this season is just brutal timing for him.
 
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Yeah this is what makes it harder for Jaylen in that voters have included guys playing in the 50’s so he can’t sneak in simply due to voters disqualifying Curry and Booker. Yeah forgot about Brunson and Morant too. It’s all going to depend on where he is placed on the ballot, as a G or F (which in todays game is freakin nuts to have this determine tens of millions of dollars to him).
This is a textbook example of identifying a rule that should be changed. It’s fine for some rules to be basically arbitrary, like the laws about which side of the street we drive in. Shit like this? Not cool.
 

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This is a textbook example of identifying a rule that should be changed. It’s fine for some rules to be basically arbitrary, like the laws about which side of the street we drive in. Shit like this? Not cool.
This is one of those things that’s negotiated into the CBA and once they go back to the table it is revamped prior to the next one…..because it makes no fuckin sense.
 

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I will probably get some flack. And I am human so after a sour loss I may be looking to place blame.

But And I have felt this way for a month or 2 now. While I like Jaylen and appreciate his contributions, I dont trust him. I actually worry when he is "going off" like last night. I worry that he will think he is BETTER then the 2nd tier Alpha or top tier Beta that he really is. I worry that basically Robin will start thinking he is super man. And almost every time it seems (IMHO) to prove out.
Look being an Alpha is TOUGH. JT fails at it alot. LBJ Fails at it. MJ failed at it. They succeeded alot....but they also failed alot. Being the focus of the teams offense in crunch time is hard.

Jaylen seems to think "I did this in the first qtr....I can do it now." His heat check 3 that didnt hurt much in the 2nd qtr....and may have even gone in.....might not be smart in the last 3 mins. His drive into 3 guys in the 4th that somehow went in earlier in the game might not be a good idea.

In short I think Jaylen makes bad decisions more often then others. (JT and White for instance).

He is BY NO MEANS alone in doing this. And even guys who are good and "Trustworthy" at decisions sometimes make bad ones.

But Jaylens "Ego" or "Self Assesment" gets bigger as he has success early. And When it does it often seems to lead to bad decisions and "Over estimations of his ability" later in the game.

I dread games where JB is hitting early and JT is off. JT starts deferring a bit and next thing you know JB is making some dumb decisions. I feel anytime its close late in a game like that....we are in trouble.
 

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Jaylen is a pretty bad playmaker for others when he's trying, and often, particularly lately it's seemed like he's not trying. He wants to get his points so he can get 3rd team All-NBA and ask for a super-max extension. He's also gone from only being bad off-ball to being bad on-ball defensively too.

Honestly, he's progressed a lot as a scorer, but other than rebounding I feel like he's regressing everywhere else. My hope is he gets to the playoffs and locks in more on D, starts playing in the system, but yeah... his play is quietly a concern for me despite his excellent scoring.
 

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I will probably get some flack. And I am human so after a sour loss I may be looking to place blame.

But And I have felt this way for a month or 2 now. While I like Jaylen and appreciate his contributions, I dont trust him. I actually worry when he is "going off" like last night. I worry that he will think he is BETTER then the 2nd tier Alpha or top tier Beta that he really is. I worry that basically Robin will start thinking he is super man. And almost every time it seems (IMHO) to prove out.
Look being an Alpha is TOUGH. JT fails at it alot. LBJ Fails at it. MJ failed at it. They succeeded alot....but they also failed alot. Being the focus of the teams offense in crunch time is hard.

Jaylen seems to think "I did this in the first qtr....I can do it now." His heat check 3 that didnt hurt much in the 2nd qtr....and may have even gone in.....might not be smart in the last 3 mins. His drive into 3 guys in the 4th that somehow went in earlier in the game might not be a good idea.

In short I think Jaylen makes bad decisions more often then others. (JT and White for instance).

He is BY NO MEANS alone in doing this. And even guys who are good and "Trustworthy" at decisions sometimes make bad ones.

But Jaylens "Ego" or "Self Assesment" gets bigger as he has success early. And When it does it often seems to lead to bad decisions and "Over estimations of his ability" later in the game.

I dread games where JB is hitting early and JT is off. JT starts deferring a bit and next thing you know JB is making some dumb decisions. I feel anytime its close late in a game like that....we are in trouble.
Yeah, I think this is incredibly off. For one, Jaylen starts off hot way more than Tatum does (who often starts off games like he just rolled out of bed) so the games that you dread are the norm.

Jaylen definitely has warts. He seems to have a lot of brain farts and he’s not a natural playmaker (I’m not going to comment on the defense thing, it seems like he’s the same defender as he was but the entire team doesn’t seem as focused/locked in as they were last year.
However, even on a gut feeling/emotional level, I just completely disagree with all of your points here (other than the bad decisions one).

And if this is a case of sour grapes and feeling upset after a loss, THATS the loss you choose to write this after? Jaylen was outstanding last night and Tatum sucked. I think most who watched the game would say that Tatum didn’t defer enough (in addition to getting the last shot and blowing a lay up)
 

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The Port Cellar dumps on Jaylen even when he's the only fucking guy who got off the plane. Never stop doubling down.

fake edit: not you, tbb.
I'd add that Brown has probably one of the smallest egos of any star player in the league.

This is a guy who had 40, but watched as Tatum got the ISO on the biggest play of the game, and saw an ice-cold Tatum miss at the rim, and immediately ran over to dap him up.
 

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The Port Cellar dumps on Jaylen even when he's the only fucking guy who got off the plane. Never stop doubling down.

fake edit: not you, tbb.
It’s incredibly weird and I really don’t understand it. Jaylen is definitely good for one complete head scratcher of a play per game so I get a small level of frustration but the guy is really fucking good and it doesn’t seem like he ever gets the flowers he deserves on here. Plus, as you said, if you want to bitch about him maybe choose a different time than the day after he was the only player to show up.

meanwhile Tatum completely pissed down his leg all game including yakking up a bunny at the end (all of this against one of the worst defenses in the NBA) and the only posts in that thread are about how he must be tired and that Rob being out uniquely effects Tatum.
A really weird double standard for two home grown stars (and yes I know that Tatum is better than Brown and no I don’t think there should be a pile on of how Tatum sucks in the Tatum thread)
 

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It’s incredibly weird and I really don’t understand it. Jaylen is definitely good for one complete head scratcher of a play per game so I get a small level of frustration but the guy is really fucking good and it doesn’t seem like he ever gets the flowers he deserves on here. Plus, as you said, if you want to bitch about him maybe choose a different time than the day after he was the only player to show up.

meanwhile Tatum completely pissed down his leg all game including yakking up a bunny at the end (all of this against one of the worst defenses in the NBA) and the only posts in that thread are about how he must be tired and that Rob being out uniquely effects Tatum.
A really weird double standard for two home grown stars (and yes I know that Tatum is better than Brown and no I don’t think there should be a pile on of how Tatum sucks in the Tatum thread)
You and I always on the same page on this front.

Since returning from his injury, if you exclude the Blazers blowout when he only played 25 minutes and took 10 shots (11 points), he's averaging 29+ppg on over 50.8% shooting from the field, 36.7% from 3, 6.75rpg, 4.125apg, 2.75topg.

When Jaylen is shooting like this, I want the ball in his hands as much as humanly possible, especially when the other option is usually for him to give it back to Smart and watch him shoot instead.

I'd love to see an update on the potential assist numbers for Jaylen too. Feels like he's gotten a lot better distributing lately, but the shots he creates aren't falling. I could be delusional on that front, but definitely curious.
 

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I'd love to see an update on the potential assist numbers for Jaylen too. Feels like he's gotten a lot better distributing lately, but the shots he creates aren't falling. I could be delusional on that front, but definitely curious.
Over his last 10 games, he’s at 6.4 potential assists a game, for the season he is at 6.3. Over the last 5 games, he’s at 8.

I think he pretty much is what he is when it comes to playmaking. It’s on Joe and the staff to put him in the best position to succeed, which should be heavy on the play finishing IMO, as Jaylen is really fucking good at it.
 
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Over his last 10 games, he’s at 6.4 potential assists a game, for the season he is at 6.3. Over the last 5 games, he’s at 8.

I think he pretty much is what he is when it comes to playmaking. It’s on Joe and the staff to put him in the best position to succeed, which should be heavy on the play finishing IMO, as Jaylen is really fucking good at it.
Thanks for that. So at 6.4 potential assists a game, and he's at 3.4 actual assists per game, he's roughly around 53% of his potential assists turning into assists. I'd be curious how that trend compares to most players. Admittedly, I didn't know folks tracked potential assists until the beginning of this season. I think it's a really cool stat with a lot of information to be gleaned from it.
 

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Thanks for that. So at 6.4 potential assists a game, and he's at 3.4 actual assists per game, he's roughly around 53% of his potential assists turning into assists. I'd be curious how that trend compares to most players. Admittedly, I didn't know folks tracked potential assists until the beginning of this season. I think it's a really cool stat with a lot of information to be gleaned from it.
I agree, I think it’s a pretty useful stat. 50% is right around The number for most guys, with some a bit lower or higher, obviously. If you want to look through, here’s the page with the numbers. Can change the filters for however many games, date ranges, etc. I spend….far too much time looking at stats between nba.com, cleaning the glass, bball-index, synergy, etc.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?dir=A&sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION
 
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I agree, I think it’s a pretty useful stat. 50% is right around The number for most guys, with some a bit lower or higher, obviously. If you want to look through, here’s the page with the numbers. Can change the filters for however many games, date ranges, etc. I spend….far too much time looking at stats between nba.com, cleaning the glass, bball-index, synergy, etc.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?dir=A&sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION
Awesome, thank you. And I'm going to apologize now for when I ask for this again in a few months.
 

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You and I always on the same page on this front.

Since returning from his injury, if you exclude the Blazers blowout when he only played 25 minutes and took 10 shots (11 points), he's averaging 29+ppg on over 50.8% shooting from the field, 36.7% from 3, 6.75rpg, 4.125apg, 2.75topg.

When Jaylen is shooting like this, I want the ball in his hands as much as humanly possible, especially when the other option is usually for him to give it back to Smart and watch him shoot instead.

I'd love to see an update on the potential assist numbers for Jaylen too. Feels like he's gotten a lot better distributing lately, but the shots he creates aren't falling. I could be delusional on that front, but definitely curious.
I came in after seeing @RorschachsMask stats mostly disprove your last paragraph but I had the exact same feeling. It feels to me like his passing has got better, much more natural and in the flow of the game recently. It still can look kind of clunky but it’s less than it was before. This will be interesting to track because I think that he could be having a minor breakthrough
 

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I agree, I think it’s a pretty useful stat. 50% is right around The number for most guys, with some a bit lower or higher, obviously. If you want to look through, here’s the page with the numbers. Can change the filters for however many games, date ranges, etc. I spend….far too much time looking at stats between nba.com, cleaning the glass, bball-index, synergy, etc.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?dir=A&sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION
How much of the difference between assists and potential assists is a function of the other player making the shot? Or is that, in fact, the difference?

Edit: I see it now; found the glossary. All of it it would seem, which is as I figured. Thanks for the link!
 

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I came in after seeing @RorschachsMask stats mostly disprove your last paragraph but I had the exact same feeling. It feels to me like his passing has got better, much more natural and in the flow of the game recently. It still can look kind of clunky but it’s less than it was before. This will be interesting to track because I think that he could be having a minor breakthrough
Clunky is the thing with Jaylen that can be hard for people to swallow I think. So much of what he does appears to be so mechanical. He doesn't have the look of a guy who has been hooping since age 2. This is why I think that looking at actual numbers on assist% and turnover% (also potential assists) is great. He's a guy that needs data to understand, and I'm not talking about controversial all-in-ones. Just data to augment the eyeball test. He looks clunky at a lot of things that he's pretty good at.