Jaylen Brown, Year 7
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FCHWPO (Faith, Consistency, Hard Work Pays Off) is Jaylen's handle across his social accounts.
I take it all back. The guy who has now missed on vaccines, sexual harassment, and antisemitism, and is now shitposting a meme that he clearly doesn’t understand in response to the blowback, and who has a history of social media posts repeating “do your own research” multiple times, is obviously a very well-informed, deep thinker who is in no way ignorant. After all, there are curve-grading articles talking about how much he loves chess, so it must be so.
Yeah, the meme has nothing to do with anything and isn’t applicable to this situation at all.
im honestly struggling to understand how he thinks that makes him look better or what he is even attempting to accomplish
I'd have a hard time as head coach not saying publicly that JB should focus more on getting his turnover rate back under 12%.
FWIW, I think that he's pressing bigtime due to trying to set himself up for his next contract. It'll probably work because PPG rules all, and his TS is solid despite his 3PT cratering. People will see that his counting stats are up or flat and won't much care that his Turnover% is junk or that his DARKO is showing that his impact overall is not as positive as it once was.
It's just my personal eyeball test, but I'm watching a guy who's perfectly content going 1 on 3 in transition to a fault. It's not that he didn't ever do that before, but he's eating on it now. I'm getting flashbacks to Rozier's walk year.
I think its more about, "you cant tell me what to do" than anything else.
Oh no, you're my JB Ambassador. Whenever I get down on his defense I look for your Brown positivity.
Contract Year Rozier was some sort of special, but he did get his bag.
JBs memes/word salads/what aboutism crap won't play well with the Boston media. They will relentlessly needle him (deserved or not) into more details & his stance. The good thing is Brad has 2 years to figure this out if it takes a turn for the worse and becomes too big of a distraction.
I'm not so sure. I think the toughness of the Boston media, with regards to the beat reporters who actually ask athletes/coaches questions, is a bit overrated. The radio personalities are brutal, absolutely, but I think the on the ground folks aren't usually that tough or persistent. When you add in the sensitivities of the situation, I don't think you'll actually see most of the media really poking him too much on this stuff.
Ha. I'm still a fan of his on court game, and his defense hasn't gone to shit (to my eyes) like Terry's did during the Bag Run. But he's challenging too many packs of dudes at the rim, and I think that it's related to qualifying for a bigger bag. Not a CBO expert, but I know that the size of the bag depends on him qualifying for league awards. Maybe he's forcing for other reasons. Either way I'd rather see him staying a bit more within himself because it seems to be the cause of some of the turnover uptick.
edit: DARKO seems to think that his defense has plunged a bit lately (SSS), but I'm not sure how to separate "I gave the ball to the other team through forcing" from the D-DPM numbers.
Jeff Goodman and Mannix (SI), not beat guys, were the reporters running with the JAYs can't play together nonsense last season.
Shank is always lurking for a divisive story. I never listen to Boston radio but I'm sure they have their playpen of mouth breathers.
One reporter will look for clicks and pose a trap that will probably rub JB the wrong way (that's how I took his IG meme today). Then the NBA national media will chime in with the Boston/Racist City trope (it's been a month since the IME issue). Anytime Kyrie says something, and Jaylen applauds you'll get media/JB scrutiny, non-basketball related questions.
Hopefully, I'm wrong and this will all blow over with Jaylen breaking clean from Kyrie/Kanye schtick. BUT you also have 29/30 other cities hoping the #1 team has internal strife. It's in the interest of opposing beat writers to also stir the pot.
His assist numbers would have been a bit better if Al Horford could have hit the side of a building last night. I think I counted at least 4 wide open shots that Jaylen created for him, brick, brick, airball, brick, etc.
I think there's a major difference between amplifying an on-court issue (Jays playing together) with a hot-button off-court issue. I've lost a lot of respect for JB over the last year or so with the vaccine nonsense and then whatever this is. But it isn't as cut and dry as a white guy saying the N-word, or even someone like Meyers Leonard using an anti-Semetic slur. There's enough grey area here (rightly or wrongly) where I don't think it will get brought up unless JB continues to go down the social media meme-hole.
He had 4 potential assists last night, and one hockey assist. He wasn’t really moving the ball at all, was pretty frustrating.
Turnovers have been a bigtime issue for him, especially with the new take foul rules. Almost all of his TO’s are live ball, which makes them hurt even more.
sure we'd all love for JB to stop driving down the social media superhighway and dumping garbage out his window.
This season, Tatum seems to have figured out how to turn over the ball less when driving compared to last year, JB has not. To my untrained eye, JT seems to have realized he should be dribbling through traffic less, just drive through protecting the ball until he goes up, and it’s done wonders to lowering his bad TOs and upping his FTs. JB I’ve noticed likes to get into midrange, and if he plans on going to the hoop, he dribbles out in front of himself, like he’s using his last dribble to give him a step. He also seems to keep the ball higher and away from his body. He exposes the ball way too much, and it’s silly because he has the athleticism to blow by people without doing those things.
I also wonder if he’s also pressing because the gap between him and Tatum is growing a bit, I’m not sure I’d call this 1 A/B anymore
I also wonder if he’s also pressing because the gap between him and Tatum is growing a bit, I’m not sure I’d call this 1 A/B anymore
This might be true from his perspective. However, he could have a pretty bad year and he still would get a max offer thrown at him by any/every team that had the space
Jaylen is eligible for A LOT more money if he makes all nba. But the league is too stacked for him to have a realistic shot, IMO.
Eh he was pretty damn close last year - the only forward to get more votes and not make it was Jimmy Butler (meaning if there was a 4th team, he would have made it). He's got a punchers chance at least.
So I guess I’ll be the first to say it. What would a reasonable return be for him? Is there any way to deal him without sacrificing this season or future seasons?
I can’t see his value ever being higher than this past off-season. Has the first month of this year changed that at all?
I can’t see his value ever being higher than this past off-season. Has the first month of this year changed that at all?
You want to break up the Jays? The return would be big but we have a championship caliber squad.
Brad has over a year (~15 months) to figure this out if JB goes batshit Kyrie. I imagine Brad is closely monitoring the situation. If it worsens Boston should backchannel interest. Regardless, I'm not nearly as excited about having JB on a MAX deal ('23 All-NBA nod) with all this crap.
1. Doubt the Nets have any interest in doing a Durant/JB+ trade now.
2. Tough finding a wing that would replace Jaylen's scoring. Brandon Ingram would come the closest
3. Good scorer/great defender (since the C's have plenty of shooting). Mikal Bridges would be a good target.
IMO Bridges > Ingram due to durability, defense & team-friendly contract
I'm not sure Jaylen's value goes down very much (other than with the Nets) since he is well-liked by his fellow players. I have zero proof but suspect his views are shared by many NBA players.
The obvious one would be Jaylen for Bane, since even if you have to give Bane a huge deal, it's less than Jaylen's next one, and the Celtics already have tons of ballhandlers.
I'm not sure exactly why Memphis would do that though, and maybe they just wouldn't.
Bridges is interesting, and the Suns could use a little more scorer juice.
There is zero chance that Stevens trades Brown this season unless Brown really goes off the reservation. The team went all in for a title run with the Jays, which means that Stevens doesn't consider the turnovers or a single bad game in Chicago fatal flaws in Brown's game, and we're fortunate that Stevens doesn't listen to clickbait sports writers. I'm sure the team would prefer that Jaylen put his phone down, but as disappointing as Brown's messaging has been, it would have to really take a bad turn for the team to consider trading him for Brandon Ingram (lol).
Although I said above that this could break a lot of different ways, I think the odds of JB going "batshit Kyrie" any time in the near future are vanishingly small. Maybe JB hides it better but I don't get the idea that JB is a narcissist like Kyrie is.
Second, I think he does have respect for other voices and isn't out there to prove something about himself but to really do the work of trying to lift up disadvantaged communities.
(I know Kyrie does a ton of community work but my sense is that Kyrie is really about himself and not the work. Maybe I'm wrong about that.)
Here's an article about a talk he gave a couple of months ago about what he's trying to do: https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2022/10/04/jaylen-brown-mfa-panel-boston-comments/. I think it's pretty straightforward.
JB is definitely not trying to "play it safe" so I'm sure there will be other moments when he'll make what others perceive to be missteps but I don't think he'll get to the point where he'll be burning incense in a gym or just stop playing basketball for a while because he needs a break.
Hopefully.
It is true he was the next after Butler to miss making all-NBA at forward, but he wasn't pretty damn close.
Siakam was the last forward to make the team, he got 63 points in the voting.
Butler was next with 32 points.
Jaylen was next with 3 points.
He'd need major injury luck to get there this season. He probably gets a small bump in voters minds from being in the Finals last year, but it won't be enough without some help.
And yet if the season ended today, which wings that were ahead of him last year would still be? It was Tatum/Giannis/Derozen/Durant/Lebron/Siakam/Butler last year. Tatum/Giannis/Durant obviously, but Siakam has missed half of his teams games, Butler and Lebron have missed time and are worse than last year, and Derozen is probably a tossup. There is other competition for these spots, but he's got a real shot given how last year's voting went and how this season has begun.
Bane would be a much more appealing scoring surrogate to Brown than Ingram
Bridges and Bane would be target 1A & 1B
I'm a fan of Jaylen "offensive savant", but recently I've become less enamored with off-the-court Jaylen. His on-the-court IQ has always been low, some of his pressers have been run-on word salads, and maybe he isn't the deep thinker he likes to portray.
From that article, Jaylen Brown said when he first came to Boston, he realized that there are expectations for players to act a certain way in the NBA. “They want you to act, look, think, and be almost in a sense, the same,”
who is "They"? Does he mean Brad, since he named him?
and why would anybody in the NBA hierarchy care about player hairstyle, hair color, tattoo sleeves, sneaker style, who they pal around with, what music they enjoy, their fashion style, do-rags etc. If anything players financially benefit from different shoes, fashion, music, and standing out from their peers...NBA player empowerment is EXTREMELY encouraged by the fans, governors, executives, player union, agents, CBA, coaches & the NBA media. Hell, how many times have we turned on NBA TV over the last decade to watch Russell Westbrook walk down a hallway in his latest clothing line?
I imagine if he has issues with the "player expectations" in the NBA, he'd have issues with every element of society.
Butler has been almost the exact same player as last year, by both raw and advanced stats. With LeBron it’ll come down to if he plays enough games (which I disagree with, but he’s LeBron), and if Siakam is relatively healthy the rest of the way, he’s probably a lock. With the backcourts so stacked, PG probably get bumped to frontcourt this year for voters, that’s another guy whose considered a better player.
Lead guys almost always get the edge for all nba over second options, so DeRozan would definitely get the nod if the stats are comparable.
I'm not pumped about any of those guys for Brown even now.
I have completely revisited my take on "Brown and all of the picks" for Durant though. I'd do that now.
FWIW, I'm not Jewish however. And while I am strongly against antisemitism in all forms, it doesn't affect me the same way that it does others. Any of our members who might be done with Jaylen and want to trade him for a bag of balls and the draft rights to a 7'2" Lithuanian, I have no beef with that.
The Celtics being better than all of these teams (maybe from wire to wire as opposed to spending the entire second half of the year climbing up the standings) will help, I think.
I glanced too quickly at Butler's numbers and you're right, but he almost made the team last year because Miami was the 1 seed - he's again on track to play fewer than 60 games (a mark he hasn't hit since 2019) and voters will be less forgiving if Miami isn't near the top of the conference. You're probably right about Lebron being healthy, but at his age and recent history (averaging 55.5 games played since going to the Lakers), plus the Lakers looking to struggle all year, he's not a lock. Siakam has taken a big step forward and health permitting he'll definitely make the team. Derozan made last year's team on the strength of one incredible stretch where he looked like a dark horse MVP candidate (he averaged 34 points in February and hit a ton of clutch shots), but without that this year (and with Chicago tumbling out of the playoffs), he's not ahead of Jaylen. Agreed that George is another guy likely to jump ahead of Jaylen, health permitting (and he's averaged about 44 games played over the last 3 years, so that's not a given).
If Jaylen had to jump over all these guys, I couldn't see it happening. Siakam is probably a lock for a spot (along with Giannis/Tatum/Durant), so that's likely 5 guys (Brown, George, Butler, Lebron, Derozan) going for 2 forward spots. Brown/Derozan are the only ones without extensive injury histories, and Brown/George are the only ones whose teams haven't been terribly disappointing so far. Brown has as good a chance as any of them, at least.
The NBA itself not too long ago cared. I think there is still a dress code. This is a weird speech by you.
Agreed not my normal rant. I never traffic in board politics or whatever else happens in V & N. SoSH is 99% sports for me.
Jaylen supporting Kyrie & Kanye more than every other NBA player has me re-examining my Jaylen support. Which sucks because I was ALL IN on JAYCrew early...I'm not Jewish, but I really don't like it. If it's a non-event for others or if they think Jaylen will eventually distance himself that's cool. I'm not here to play with the 3rd rail. I'm more interested in people criticizing my Bridges, Bane, Ingram vs Brown stance
He does have a real shot, but there are plenty of others who probably have a better shot as of now.
Paul George, Mikal Bridges, Desmond Bane, Brandon Ingram, Sam Hauser
Tatum/Giannis/Derozan/Durant/Butler are all still ahead of him from last year.
Assuming Siakam doesn't miss maybe 20ish games the rest of the way, he is as well.
If Lebron plays 50 games, he will make all-NBA because he's Lebron.
A case could be made Markkanen, Zion, Ingram, Sabonis and Paul George are either ahead or in the same mix as him.
If Jaylen got voted as a guard where he should be, he'll be eligible at guard/forward like a few of these guys, his chances are even worse because guard is so loaded.
He needs a bunch of injuries to have anything other than a longshot at best.
This is part of why I think that Tatum maintenance days (and maintenance days for other guys) can be good for the team as a whole.
Definitely. Hopefully games like this give Mazzulla more confidence to give Tatum maintenance days, and also to stagger him and Brown more in-game, which would reduce minutes a bit.
The current roster is much better for it too: in years past, Tatum+bench units would just be Tatum creating while guys spotted up. Now, it's Brogdon/Smart/White creating, with either Tatum or Brown getting the ball with an advantage more often. Clearly very effective, and also lets Jaylen+bench units not be so different (tactically) from Tatum ones.
licking his chops for sure
When JB gets downhill there really isn't a guy that can stop him. Now just imagine Jaylen in 2-3 years when he is fully filled out.
His Smart love/team development (& future All-Star/All-NBA questions) in the post-game is where reporter questions & his tweets should go...
